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 Posted: 04/ 12/ 08 9:14 am Post subject: RICHARD WARMAN IS NOT A HUMAN |
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RICHARD WARMAN IS NOT A HUMAN
White men need not apply to the CHRC for protection.
Ironic isn't it? The master of CHRC witch-hunts cannot use the CHRC to get protection from his alleged enemies. He has to turn to the civil courts.
Now if Warman happened to be a person of colour, various people who have written about him would be knee-deep in CHRC investigations, but Warman is a white male and as far as the CHRC is concerned not eligible for assistance no matter what is said or written about him. He is a member in good standing of the (gasp) majority and need not clutter up the CHRC with his complaints. Being a white female would not help him. Neither would being a member of a Christian faith. It seems thos horrible majorities are the cause of all of our social problems.
What kind of 'human rights' law does not consider all citizens as equally worthy of protection? Where does the CHRA say that the CHRC will only deal with complaints respecting visible minorities and 'special' groups including GLBT crowd?
Well, the CHRA does not discriminate against the majority - the CHRC does. In their zeal to protect those 'special' groups they have decided that members who do not fit their narrow definitions are not human and not worthy of protection under the law they administer.
Think about that for a moment. Your tax dollars are underwriting this blatant discrimination by our government. It's enough to make a pig puke.
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| Posted: 04/ 12/ 08 10:21 am Post subject: Re: RICHARD WARMAN IS NOT A HUMAN |
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| WestViking wrote: | | What kind of 'human rights' law does not consider all citizens as equally worthy of protection? |
One of the most important over-arching documents of the land clearly shows that all Canadians are not equal. The inequality of Canadians is officially enshrined in the Canadian Charter of Group Rights and Limited Freedoms.
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Edward Kennedy
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| Posted: 04/ 12/ 08 10:24 am Post subject: Re: RICHARD WARMAN IS NOT A HUMAN |
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| WestViking wrote: | RICHARD WARMAN IS NOT A HUMAN
White men need not apply to the CHRC for protection.
Ironic isn't it? The master of CHRC witch-hunts cannot use the CHRC to get protection from his alleged enemies. He has to turn to the civil courts.
Now if Warman happened to be a person of colour, various people who have written about him would be knee-deep in CHRC investigations, but Warman is a white male and as far as the CHRC is concerned not eligible for assistance no matter what is said or written about him. He is a member in good standing of the (gasp) majority and need not clutter up the CHRC with his complaints. Being a white female would not help him. Neither would being a member of a Christian faith. It seems thos horrible majorities are the cause of all of our social problems.
What kind of 'human rights' law does not consider all citizens as equally worthy of protection? Where does the CHRA say that the CHRC will only deal with complaints respecting visible minorities and 'special' groups including GLBT crowd?
Well, the CHRA does not discriminate against the majority - the CHRC does. In their zeal to protect those 'special' groups they have decided that members who do not fit their narrow definitions are not human and not worthy of protection under the law they administer.
Think about that for a moment. Your tax dollars are underwriting this blatant discrimination by our government. It's enough to make a pig puke. |
Another name for hrc's is fascists and bigots and hypocrits. Human rights is the last thing these bastards are concerned about.
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| Darren Joined: 08 Jun 2004 Total posts: 1471 Location: Newmarket, Ontario Age: 49 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 04/ 12/ 08 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: RICHARD WARMAN IS NOT A HUMAN |
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| Entropy Squared wrote: | | WestViking wrote: | | What kind of 'human rights' law does not consider all citizens as equally worthy of protection? |
One of the most important over-arching documents of the land clearly shows that all Canadians are not equal. The inequality of Canadians is officially enshrined in the Canadian Charter of Group Rights and Limited Freedoms. |
You are entirely right, E2. Section 15 of the aforementioned document:
"15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under tha law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
"(2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability."
The inaptly-named Charter of Rights and Freedoms does not prohibit discrimination, it enshrines it.
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| Mark Fournier Member
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| Posted: 04/ 12/ 08 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: RICHARD WARMAN IS NOT A HUMAN |
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| Darren wrote: | | The inaptly-named Charter of Rights and Freedoms does not prohibit discrimination, it enshrines it. |
You are correct. Some people generously chalk this up to unintended consequences but I'm a tad more cynical.
The constitution and bill of rights of a nation is supposed to the be most comprehensive in the land. It is supposed to pertain equally to every citizen from the nation's top leader to its lowliest peon.
Because the Charter of Group Rights and Limited Freedoms enshrines inequality as one of the basic foundations of Canadian law, no real equality can ever be obtained under its dictates.
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| Posted: 04/ 12/ 08 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: RICHARD WARMAN IS NOT A HUMAN |
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| Darren wrote: | | Entropy Squared wrote: | | WestViking wrote: | | What kind of 'human rights' law does not consider all citizens as equally worthy of protection? |
One of the most important over-arching documents of the land clearly shows that all Canadians are not equal. The inequality of Canadians is officially enshrined in the Canadian Charter of Group Rights and Limited Freedoms. |
You are entirely right, E2. Section 15 of the aforementioned document:
"15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under tha law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
"(2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability."
The inaptly-named Charter of Rights and Freedoms does not prohibit discrimination, it enshrines it. |
The Canadian Human Rights Act was not written to ameliorate conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups. It was written to protect the human rights of all Canadians.
The Employment Equity Act, also administered by the CHRC is quite different in nature.
In my mind the CHRC is guilty of misinterpretation of the CHRA and is incorrectly applying the law as applicable to disadvantaged people only.
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Edward Kennedy
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The fascist hrc's are in volation of basic human rights and therefore are illegitimate and therefore should be ridiculed, verbally abused and ignored when/if they try their shite on anyone.
If I was ordered to attend they would get one visit from me, long enough to tell them all what a bunch of hypocritical damned fascists they were and to tell them to flock off before I left. I would be tempted to take a box of bs there and dump it on the floor in front of them as a gesture of what they were full of.
Maybe one fo these dandy wwm's would take exception and try to attack me...I wish...
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nor is he humane...
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He is going down for keeps this time. Warman has Grossly over estimated himself and under estimated his potential victims by an even greater margin.
There is no way Warman can win, if he did Canada would officially no longer be a democracy in anything other than name only and freedom would officially be outlawed.The sheeple would never stand for this.
He was far far better off when he was off of the radar, now he is firmly in the AAA sights of the just and the judiciary cannot save him.
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Peter O'Donnell
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This whole situation has now reached an entirely new level of absurdity. Basically, one man is suing half the country for not thinking the way he does.
If we reversed the situation, the courtroom would be full of the elite of Canadian society, defending their views to the rest of the country. Perhaps that is not such a bad idea.
However, this has gone too far and should be resolved by the Justice Minister, taking quick action against the HRC network and Section 13, and intervening on behalf of the conservative blogosphere by offering to foot the legal bills if Warman wants to persist in this frankly silly campaign of "maximum disruption."
I'm sure my sensible plan won't be adopted by this government, partly because they don't care about conservatives as much as they should, and partly because they just haven't really "got it" yet.
Plan B must therefore involve a united legal defense using the best lawyers available, with a strategy involving "maximum retribution" so that Warman can't continue wasting everyone's time and money this way. He needs to be hit hard in the pocket-book so this won't seem like such a lark.
And if he is really serious about human rights, how about speaking out on the abuse of human rights in Tibet? Here's a suggested compromise -- right wing bloggers will unite with Warman to pressure the government of China to respect human rights in Tibet and other western provinces of China. C'mon Warman, put your abilities to some good use for a change and take a stand against some real human rights violators. |
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Killah Wabbit gonna stand up against real nazis? Really now Peter, you don't believe that.
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| Posted: 04/ 12/ 08 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Peter O'Donnell wrote: | This whole situation has now reached an entirely new level of absurdity. Basically, one man is suing half the country for not thinking the way he does.
If we reversed the situation, the courtroom would be full of the elite of Canadian society, defending their views to the rest of the country. Perhaps that is not such a bad idea.
However, this has gone too far and should be resolved by the Justice Minister, taking quick action against the HRC network and Section 13, and intervening on behalf of the conservative blogosphere by offering to foot the legal bills if Warman wants to persist in this frankly silly campaign of "maximum disruption."
I'm sure my sensible plan won't be adopted by this government, partly because they don't care about conservatives as much as they should, and partly because they just haven't really "got it" yet.
Plan B must therefore involve a united legal defense using the best lawyers available, with a strategy involving "maximum retribution" so that Warman can't continue wasting everyone's time and money this way. He needs to be hit hard in the pocket-book so this won't seem like such a lark.
And if he is really serious about human rights, how about speaking out on the abuse of human rights in Tibet? Here's a suggested compromise -- right wing bloggers will unite with Warman to pressure the government of China to respect human rights in Tibet and other western provinces of China. C'mon Warman, put your abilities to some good use for a change and take a stand against some real human rights violators. |
With respect, I would disagree and change the marching orders:
Plan A: Assist in hiring and paying a united legal defense using the best lawyers available, with a strategy involving "maximum retribution" so that Warman can't continue wasting everyone's time and money this way. He needs to be hit hard in the pocket-book so this won't seem like such a lark.
Plan B: Pressuring the the Justice Minister into taking quick action against the HRC network and 'hate crimes" persicutions by intervening on behalf of the conservative blogosphere by offering to foot the legal bills if Warman wants to persist in this frankly silly campaign of "maximum disruption."
I suspect Plan A will morph into Plan B if the defence names Warman, the CHRC and CHRT in a counter suit in federal court charging:
1. Failure of the CHRC to follow the mandate of the CHRA;
2. Several violations of the charter
3. Failure to follow due process;
4. Failure to allow respondents an opportunity to defend themselves;
5. Wrongfully redirecting penalties paid to Richard Warman; and
6. Failure to ensure appropriate legal counsel to respondents.
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Harper and the CPC are really in a bad place here.
As with the vast majority of elected officials they smell a conundrum that could cost votes from their left, right, and center. They cannot come on too conservative after grooming the electorate to accept that they are really sheep in wolf clothing.
If they are smart at all they will quickly search hard and long through the charter to get themselves off the hook before the real sheep lift the rod tip, reel them in and gut them.
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Indeed, God forbid they show some moral decency and actually STAND UP for something!
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Peter O'Donnell
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Yes, that probably is the right way to structure plans A and B. This has to become a daily concern for the justice minister, clearly we are wasting our time trying to get the PM to act.
Of course I wasn't being (very) serious when I suggested Warman might want to take on some real human rights abusers. The Canadian left have been very quiet about China and Tibet, unlike the American left, there lies one difference between our two countries, as much similarity as there may be in terms of growing amounts of political correctness, (almost) all Americans seem to react strongly against the excesses of communist regimes. You could expect some action even from Hillary Clinton, probably just vague rhetoric from Obama, but I can't see Dion or Layton making any waves for Beijing. Since they say our government is working on a delegation to send to Beijing in place of the prime minister, I would suggest they send Dion and Layton, on one-way tickets. |
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