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| You have been kidnapped by radical Muslims who will torture and kill you unless you publicly convert to Islam and participate in a propaganda video with them. Do you intend to.... |
| Refuse to convert to help them in any way, even to the point of death by beheading. |
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| Resist for as long as you can, but when no rescue comes, go ahead and do it. Everyone (including God) knows you don't really mean it so it doesn't matter. |
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| Resist as long as they don't hurt you too much, but when no rescue comes, go ahead and do it. You're not sure there is a God to offend so who cares. |
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| Resist for as long as you can, but when no rescue comes, go ahead and do it. God will not be pleased, but you can repent later after you are back with your family. |
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| Forget this 'resist as long as you can' stuff, just do it and get the heck out of there. |
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| Resist for as long as you can, but when no rescue comes make the video but not 'convert'. |
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| Resist for as long as you can, but when no rescue comes 'convert but refuse to make the video. |
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| I'de be the one doing the kidnapping you infidel dog! |
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 Grig
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 Posted: 08/ 28/ 06 11:01 am Post subject: Would you submit to a forced 'conversion'? |
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The release of the Fox News personnel brings up what I think is an interesting moral question. If you give in and 'convert' so you can get back to your family etc., are you violating your true faith? I don't think anyone can say for sure what they would do under such prolonged duress and I wouldn't judge someone harshly for having a breaking point, but I hope I would resist even to death any effort to force me to deny my faith.
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Adonick
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| Posted: 08/ 28/ 06 11:19 am Post subject: |
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LOL, anyone who votes that they'd withstand torture and death before they'd pretend to convert is so full of machismo it's hilarious.
I'm tough enough, but I'd play House with them for sure. God needs live worshippers and good people in this world more than he needs dead martyrs. He already sent his son to do that job.
Of course as soon (if on the slim chance I was recovered) I was recovered I'd immediately return to doing everything I could to promote the demise of the islamofascist threat, I don't see how getting myself killed because I'm too stupid to play pretend scores any points for me, my family, my loved ones, the nation, or God.
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If you reject Jesus at any moment in your life, even to preserve your life and renounce it later, you cannot take that back. A Christian must never refute God at any point. I would be scared but I would never back down. If they kill me, I will have everlasting life with the Lord.
Good for you Grig.
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| Ipberg2 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 08/ 28/ 06 11:22 am Post subject: |
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I voted "Other" because I'd probably be murdered immediately. My last name sounds Jewish though I'm a Christian; therefore I doubt I'd even be given the option of forced conversion.
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| sturmgeshutz Joined: 16 Jul 2005 Total posts: 5850
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| Posted: 08/ 28/ 06 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| ABC™ wrote: | If you reject Jesus at any moment in your life, even to preserve your life and renounce it later, you cannot take that back. A Christian must never refute God at any point. I would be scared but I would never back down. If they kill me, I will have everlasting life with the Lord.
Good for you Grig. |
Maybe for you, but My God is a forgiving one and is all knowing, he would know if I ment it or not, and having a way out and not taking it is committing suicide.
And the sooner I got out of there the sooner I could give the guns a grid coordinate and rain down some serious death.
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ABC™
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| Posted: 08/ 28/ 06 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| sturmgeshutz wrote: | | ABC™ wrote: | If you reject Jesus at any moment in your life, even to preserve your life and renounce it later, you cannot take that back. A Christian must never refute God at any point. I would be scared but I would never back down. If they kill me, I will have everlasting life with the Lord.
Good for you Grig. |
Maybe for you, but My God is a forgiving one and is all knowing, he would know if I ment it or not, and having a way out and not taking it is committing suicide.
And the sooner I got out of there the sooner I could give the guns a grid coordinate and rain down some serious death. |
Think of it this way, your life or your soul? I choose my soul.
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| sturmgeshutz Joined: 16 Jul 2005 Total posts: 5850
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| Posted: 08/ 28/ 06 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| ABC™ wrote: | | sturmgeshutz wrote: | | ABC™ wrote: | If you reject Jesus at any moment in your life, even to preserve your life and renounce it later, you cannot take that back. A Christian must never refute God at any point. I would be scared but I would never back down. If they kill me, I will have everlasting life with the Lord.
Good for you Grig. |
Maybe for you, but My God is a forgiving one and is all knowing, he would know if I ment it or not, and having a way out and not taking it is committing suicide.
And the sooner I got out of there the sooner I could give the guns a grid coordinate and rain down some serious death. |
Think of it this way, your life or your soul? I choose my soul. |
Wow, imagine being so devout you would give your life because of simple lip service. I didn't think lieing to a muslim extremists could cost you your soul. Wow they really do have more power than i thought.
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Grig
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| Posted: 08/ 28/ 06 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| sturmgeshutz wrote: | | I didn't think lieing to a muslim extremists could cost you your soul. Wow they really do have more power than i thought. |
They'd probably make you do things to prove your conversion was genuine, like shoot other hostages who haven't converted. |
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| sturmgeshutz Joined: 16 Jul 2005 Total posts: 5850
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| Posted: 08/ 28/ 06 11:47 am Post subject: |
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| Grig wrote: | | Adonick wrote: | | LOL, anyone who votes that they'd withstand torture and death before they'd pretend to convert is so full of machismo it's hilarious. |
You ignore that there are people who have done that, and it not 'machismo', it's faith and devotion. |
Well I think its a sin to waste life.
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| sturmgeshutz Joined: 16 Jul 2005 Total posts: 5850
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| Posted: 08/ 28/ 06 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| Ipberg2 wrote: | | sturmgeshutz wrote: | | I didn't think lieing to a muslim extremists could cost you your soul. Wow they really do have more power than i thought. |
They'd probably make you do things to prove your conversion was genuine, like shoot other hostages who haven't converted. |
Well thats much different than isn't it.
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Grig
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| Posted: 08/ 28/ 06 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| sturmgeshutz wrote: | Maybe for you, but My God is a forgiving one and is all knowing, he would know if I ment it or not, and having a way out and not taking it is committing suicide.
And the sooner I got out of there the sooner I could give the guns a grid coordinate and rain down some serious death. |
Even so, if you don't mean it you are at the very least telling a lie. Like I said, the question is intersting. I don't doubt that a perons could be forgiven, but it is still better to obey, and when disobedience is casually resorted to out of convenience, repentance will not be easy.
Then there is this:
Matt. 12: 31-32
31 ¶ Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
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Grig
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| Posted: 08/ 28/ 06 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| sturmgeshutz wrote: | | Grig wrote: | | Adonick wrote: | | LOL, anyone who votes that they'd withstand torture and death before they'd pretend to convert is so full of machismo it's hilarious. |
You ignore that there are people who have done that, and it not 'machismo', it's faith and devotion. |
Well I think its a sin to waste life. |
And the person who murders someone for not 'converting' is guilty of it.
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| sturmgeshutz Joined: 16 Jul 2005 Total posts: 5850
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| Posted: 08/ 28/ 06 11:55 am Post subject: |
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| Grig wrote: | | sturmgeshutz wrote: | Maybe for you, but My God is a forgiving one and is all knowing, he would know if I ment it or not, and having a way out and not taking it is committing suicide.
And the sooner I got out of there the sooner I could give the guns a grid coordinate and rain down some serious death. |
Even so, if you don't mean it you are at the very least telling a lie. Like I said, the question is intersting. I don't doubt that a perons could be forgiven, but it is still better to obey, and when disobedience is casually resorted to out of convenience, repentance will not be easy.
Then there is this:
Matt. 12: 31-32
31 ¶ Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. |
Where does it say I'm committing blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? I committing blasphemy against the Holy a$$hole sitting across from me with a balaklava over his head.
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I won't say that I would not fake a conversion, but I pray God would give me the strength to resist doing so. Of course he would, but I just hope that I would be strong enough in my faith to cooperate with God's grace and suffer death if need be.
I would also consider it a blessing in disguise, although probably not at the time. Given my sins and how easily the devil distracts me, martyrdom would force me to die with my focus on God.
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