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PostPosted: 06/ 18/ 06 6:25 pm    Post subject: Why "Progressive" Conservatives in provinces? Reply with quote

Anyone know why the provinces all still have the word "Progressive" in the name of their "Conservative" party? Wouldn't it be more effective, and better marketing, to present a unified front and have them all named Conservative Party of [province]? Anyone aware of any movement to change this? If not, im wondering why the provincial parties would object?
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PostPosted: 06/ 18/ 06 6:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Why "Progressive" Conservatives in provinces? Reply with quote

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Anyone know why the provinces all still have the word "Progressive" in the name of their "Conservative" party? Wouldn't it be more effective, and better marketing, to present a unified front and have them all named Conservative Party of [province]? Anyone aware of any movement to change this? If not, im wondering why the provincial parties would object?


At least the provincial parties are showing truth-in-advertising.

Lets face it, the CPC is a social-democratic party that is 'moderate' in the Canadian sense.

The LPC is a socialist party.

And the NDP is a far left neo-communist party.

The PC'S were the one's who wound up eating the Reformers/Canadian Alliance/United Alternative in the merger.

Social conservatives got the short end of the stick, even though they were the majority.

The Red Tories and Mulroneyites wound up on top.
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PostPosted: 06/ 18/ 06 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anyone aware of any movement to change this? If not, im wondering why the provincial parties would object?


Not currently that I'm aware of.

When Jim Flathery ran for the provincial leadership in Ontario he pleged to change the name.

I think with a leadership race going on in Alberta that perhaps that province would be the best hope for a name change.
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PostPosted: 06/ 18/ 06 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not currently that I'm aware of.

When Jim Flathery ran for the provincial leadership in Ontario he pleged to change the name.

I think with a leadership race going on in Alberta that perhaps that province would be the best hope for a name change.


Good old Jim Flaherty. His down-the-line conservative is a unique thing among conservative politicians from Ontario. I know just the appearance of him drives Liberals nuts, and I love the guy for it. Exclamation
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PostPosted: 06/ 18/ 06 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Jim a lot too.

I'm hoping that if Tory doesn't win this next election that Jim, as the former Finance Minister ("The man who cut the GST!") will have another run at the leadership.
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PostPosted: 06/ 18/ 06 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to see the "new" Conservative party separate from any Provincial Parties. Our CPC is new and still young and needs 10 years to grow without being tied to any Provincial Parties.
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PostPosted: 06/ 18/ 06 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ontario Tory, Alberta Tory, NS Tory, etc...
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Flaherty is the real deal. He's just playing his role trying to look moderate.
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PostPosted: 06/ 18/ 06 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Conservative Party of Canada was first governing party of Canada in 1867. It came to have provincial counterparts in the existing provinces at the time including Quebec.

Over the course of time the Conservatives nearly vanished at the provincial level in Quebec, Saskatchewan and BC.

In 1945 the Conservative Party changed its name at the federal level to Progressive Conservative Party at the insistence of newly elected Leader John Bracken. The Progressive Party, which Bracken had been involved with provincially, had all but died out by 1945. Most of its supporters had gone to the Liberals or participated in founding the CCF and Social Credit.

Over time, the provincial Conservative Parties changed their name to Progressive Conservative.

In 1987 the Reform Party was established with the significant policy input of Stephen Harper. Thanks to those policies, Reform won 52 seats in 1993 while the PC Party was reduced to 2 seats.

Reform changed its name to Canadian Conservative Reform Alliance in 2000 but quickly switched to Canadian Reform Conservative Alliance when the MSM began to call it CCRAP. Canadian Alliance (CA) became the accepted short form. The PC's complained about use of the word Conservative.

In 2003 the CA and PCs united to form the Conservative Party of Canada.

In BC, the provoncial Cpnservatives have dropped the word Progressive from their name. The BC Conservatives are not major players in BC politics at this time.

In Saskatchewan, the PCs came back to life in the 1970s and even won power for two terms (1982, 1986 until being dropped back to opposition status in 1991 and then third party status in 1995. The PC Party of Saskatchhewan was mothballed in order to form the Saskatchwan Party in union with dissident Liberals. The Saskatchwan Party's failure to dislodge the NDP provincial government after two elections has some provincial conservatives thinking it is time to bring back a PC or Conservative Party in Saskatchewan.

In Quebec, there was a brief surge of interest in a provincial PC Party when disaffected conservative voters tired of the PQ and Robert Bourrassa Liberals began to swing to its support in the early 1980s. It was stabbed in the back by Brian Mulroney before the 1985 provincial election which the Liberals won.

I have seen posters on FD who say they have reserved the Quebec Conservative Party name. Action Democratic led by Mario Dumont appears to be the currrent default choice for conservatives in Quebec at the provincial level so I wich the QCP all the best.

Over time, the names of the relevant provincial parties will likely be changed.
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PostPosted: 06/ 18/ 06 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes the BC Conservatives are rather moribund.

But there may be some changes in the works, who knows?
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PostPosted: 06/ 18/ 06 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In BC, the provoncial Cpnservatives have dropped the word Progressive from their name. The BC Conservatives are not major players in BC politics at this time.


Yep. They dropped "progressive" back in the early 90s, but they were so insignificant, that no one noticed.

They are still insignificant.
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PostPosted: 06/ 18/ 06 9:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Why "Progressive" Conservatives in provinces? Reply with quote

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Anyone know why the provinces all still have the word "Progressive" in the name of their "Conservative" party? Wouldn't it be more effective, and better marketing, to present a unified front and have them all named Conservative Party of [province]? Anyone aware of any movement to change this? If not, im wondering why the provincial parties would object?


with the new leader, Alberta's PC Party will drop the P. mark my words.

the Saskatchewan Party also seems set to take over thier provincial PC Party, and merge with it, at that time also dropping the P I assume. There's word that people are trying to orginize a "Parti Conservateur du Quebec" and that Manitoba's PC's are waiting until they get in government to pull the switch.

as for Ontario and the Atlantic provinces, dont hold your breath. That letter could mean as many as a million votes for them combined. people are "progressive" in these parts of Canada
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PostPosted: 06/ 18/ 06 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uh Progressive Conservative means Socialist Conservative which means some kind of moderate or Liberal.

But since the political spectrum has moved left-ward for decades today's moderate was yesteryear's socialist.
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PostPosted: 06/ 18/ 06 10:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Why "Progressive" Conservatives in provinces? Reply with quote

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as for Ontario and the Atlantic provinces, dont hold your breath. That letter could mean as many as a million votes for them combined. people are "progressive" in these parts of Canada


Ah, the resident fiscally conservative, social "progressive"... Laughing Wouldn't you fit in better with the Liberals? You have some nerve calling yourself "conservative".
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PostPosted: 06/ 18/ 06 11:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Why "Progressive" Conservatives in provinces? Reply with quote

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Anyone know why the provinces all still have the word "Progressive" in the name of their "Conservative" party? Wouldn't it be more effective, and better marketing, to present a unified front and have them all named Conservative Party of [province]? Anyone aware of any movement to change this? If not, im wondering why the provincial parties would object?
As far as I know that was part of the merger agreement between Alliance and the PC. The reasons were plenty -- some feared that dumping the word "progressive" would alienate the voters, others simply saw no reason to rename the provincial parties since the merger only took place on a federal level.

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as for Ontario and the Atlantic provinces, dont hold your breath. That letter could mean as many as a million votes for them combined. people are "progressive" in these parts of Canada.
Not sure about the Atlantic provinces (even the most progressive ones) but Ontario may get a "Progressive" party led by John Tory shortly after the 2007 election. Especially if Ontario votes to adopt proportional representation.
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