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Explosive used in bombs 'was of military origin'
By Jason Bennetto, Crime Correspondent
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article298515.ece
Published: 12 July 2005
The bombs used in Thursday's terrorist attacks were of "military origin" , according to a senior French policeman sent to London to help in what has become the biggest criminal investigation in British history.
Christophe Chaboud, head of the French Anti-Terrorism Co-ordination Unit, told Le Monde newspaper that the explosives used in the bombings were of " military origin", which he described as "very worrying". " We're more used to cells making home-made explosives with chemicals," he said. "How did they get them? Either by trafficking, for example, in the Balkans, or they had someone on the inside who enabled them to get out of the military establishment."
He added that the victims' wounds suggested that the explosives, which were " not heavy but powerful", had been placed on the ground, perhaps underneath seats.
Up to 400 extra police are being drafted in to help with the bombing inquiry. Many of the additional officers will be helping with analysis of thousands of hours of video recordings from cameras on and around the Tube lines and bus struck by the terrorists. Police have so far taken 2,500 videotapes and are expected to examine many more during the inquiry.
Senior detectives said that the analysis of images from surveillance cameras was the biggest CCTV trawl ever. Scotland Yard was renting extra video suites to view the tapes. Detectives are hoping that among the tens of thousands of hours of footage will be pictures of the terrorists.
As well as examining cameras on the three Tube trains hit in the blasts, police have been recovering every camera in the stations that the trains travelled through, and cameras outside the entrance of every station. The Tube bombs were on the southbound Piccadilly line and the Circle line, which means that there were 40 Underground stations where the bombers could have got on board.
As well as examining cameras on shops, banks, and other businesses, the police will also look at speed cameras. The camera on board the No 30 bus that was blown up in Tavistock Square is thought to have been faulty.
A police source said of the CCTV task: "It is a massive job that is very time-consuming; it sounds impossible - but it's not." Between 200 and 400 extra officers from the Metropolitan Police are being deployed on the investigation. This comes on top of the 400 officers in the anti-terrorist branch and many of the 800 in the Met's Special Branch.
The important role that CCTV can play in a criminal investigation was highlighted in the case of David Copeland, the "nail bomber" who staged attacks in Soho, Brixton and Brick Lane, east London. A team of police officers had 26,000 hours of surveillance footage from the dozens of cameras in Brixton, south London. They spent 24 hours a day scrutinising busy street scenes in their effort to spot the attacker.
The first sighting of the bomber was made from cameras filming the doorway of an Iceland food store. Copeland was identified by his boss and a cab driver after police released an image taken on the day he planted his first bomb in April 1999.
Forensic science specialists and anti-terrorist officers were continuing yesterday to examine the four crime scenes for traces of the bomb and a possible suicide bomber. This includes X-raying bodies to see if any bomb parts or timing devices, which could be vital clues, are embedded in them. It remains unclear if a terrorist died in the bus bomb, which went off an hour after the Tube explosions.
Detectives are checking all the victims from the bomb scene. An anti-terrorist source said they had recovered useful pieces of evidence, but were keeping an open mind as to whether a suicide bomber had been involved. Sir Ian Blair, commissioner of the Met, described the areas of investigation as "the biggest crime scenes in English history".
James Hart, commissioner of the City of London Police, added: "We can't possibly assume that what happened on Thursday was the last of these events ...We have to be vigilant."
The bombs used in Thursday's terrorist attacks were of "military origin" , according to a senior French policeman sent to London to help in what has become the biggest criminal investigation in British history.
Christophe Chaboud, head of the French Anti-Terrorism Co-ordination Unit, told Le Monde newspaper that the explosives used in the bombings were of " military origin", which he described as "very worrying". " We're more used to cells making home-made explosives with chemicals," he said. "How did they get them? Either by trafficking, for example, in the Balkans, or they had someone on the inside who enabled them to get out of the military establishment."
He added that the victims' wounds suggested that the explosives, which were " not heavy but powerful", had been placed on the ground, perhaps underneath seats.
Up to 400 extra police are being drafted in to help with the bombing inquiry. Many of the additional officers will be helping with analysis of thousands of hours of video recordings from cameras on and around the Tube lines and bus struck by the terrorists. Police have so far taken 2,500 videotapes and are expected to examine many more during the inquiry.
Senior detectives said that the analysis of images from surveillance cameras was the biggest CCTV trawl ever. Scotland Yard was renting extra video suites to view the tapes. Detectives are hoping that among the tens of thousands of hours of footage will be pictures of the terrorists.
As well as examining cameras on the three Tube trains hit in the blasts, police have been recovering every camera in the stations that the trains travelled through, and cameras outside the entrance of every station. The Tube bombs were on the southbound Piccadilly line and the Circle line, which means that there were 40 Underground stations where the bombers could have got on board.
As well as examining cameras on shops, banks, and other businesses, the police will also look at speed cameras. The camera on board the No 30 bus that was blown up in Tavistock Square is thought to have been faulty.
A police source said of the CCTV task: "It is a massive job that is very time-consuming; it sounds impossible - but it's not." Between 200 and 400 extra officers from the Metropolitan Police are being deployed on the investigation. This comes on top of the 400 officers in the anti-terrorist branch and many of the 800 in the Met's Special Branch.
The important role that CCTV can play in a criminal investigation was highlighted in the case of David Copeland, the "nail bomber" who staged attacks in Soho, Brixton and Brick Lane, east London. A team of police officers had 26,000 hours of surveillance footage from the dozens of cameras in Brixton, south London. They spent 24 hours a day scrutinising busy street scenes in their effort to spot the attacker.
The first sighting of the bomber was made from cameras filming the doorway of an Iceland food store. Copeland was identified by his boss and a cab driver after police released an image taken on the day he planted his first bomb in April 1999.
Forensic science specialists and anti-terrorist officers were continuing yesterday to examine the four crime scenes for traces of the bomb and a possible suicide bomber. This includes X-raying bodies to see if any bomb parts or timing devices, which could be vital clues, are embedded in them. It remains unclear if a terrorist died in the bus bomb, which went off an hour after the Tube explosions.
Detectives are checking all the victims from the bomb scene. An anti-terrorist source said they had recovered useful pieces of evidence, but were keeping an open mind as to whether a suicide bomber had been involved. Sir Ian Blair, commissioner of the Met, described the areas of investigation as "the biggest crime scenes in English history".
James Hart, commissioner of the City of London Police, added: "We can't possibly assume that what happened on Thursday was the last of these events ...We have to be vigilant." |
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| Smaug Joined: 13 Jul 2004 Total posts: 7355 Location: Edmonton Gender: Unknown
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Military origin eh?
That does beg the question. Who's military? The answer could bring even more serious trouble.
My theory is that it will be explosives of Chinese manufacture, sold to Mugabe in Africa, and then resold by Mugabe to the people who planted it.
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| LondonLady Joined: 28 Feb 2002 Total posts: 21506 Location: London Gender: Unknown
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| Smaug wrote: | Military origin eh?
That does beg the question. Who's military? The answer could bring even more serious trouble. |
Precisely, my dear Mr. Watson. Precisely.  |
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| Smaug Joined: 13 Jul 2004 Total posts: 7355 Location: Edmonton Gender: Unknown
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 Okay, I admit I am no Sherlocke!
Another possibility would be the Iranians .... but that isn't my theory. A poster named Braveheart had an "intuition" that Iran would be found to be involved. Who can say, Braveheart may be right |
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| LondonLady Joined: 28 Feb 2002 Total posts: 21506 Location: London Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 07/ 11/ 05 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Smaug wrote: | Okay, I admit I am no Sherlocke!
Another possibility would be the Iranians .... but that isn't my theory. A poster named Braveheart had an "intuition" the Iran would become invvolved. Who can say, Braveheart may be right |
Hey, don't put yourself down, you were quite smart enough to plainly see that this story has some nasty implications, and that IS the question, where do they lead...?
I think Iran too.
I don't think the USA will attack them though. |
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| kowalski Joined: 15 May 2004 Total posts: 2935 Location: Seeking a safe seat. Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 07/ 11/ 05 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| There are no more Sherlockes otherwise why would they have to ask some cop from France. |
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The conspiracy theorists are already chatting none stop about the UK and the US using this as a link to Iran in order to attack......it's boogles the mind. 
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| LiberallyConservative Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Total posts: 3935 Location: Liberal-central - Toronto ON Age: 26 Gender: Male
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| styky wrote: | | The conspiracy theorists are already chatting none stop about the UK and the US using this as a link to Iran in order to attack......it's boogles the mind. |
One gets the impression that Osama himself could be caught on tape planting the video, while clipping his toenails to leave DNA evidence, with his actual travel documents, and a big "I love Jihad" T-shirt, and they'd still chalk it up to the CIA.
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| Quote: | I think Iran too.
I don't think the USA will attack them though. |
LondonLady, why do you think it was Iran, and why do you think the US will not attack Iran? Do you mean that the US would not attack Iran over the London bombings? Or do you think that the US would not attack Iran under any conditions? For example, Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons. |
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| LondonLady Joined: 28 Feb 2002 Total posts: 21506 Location: London Gender: Unknown
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| onedomino wrote: | | Quote: | I think Iran too.
I don't think the USA will attack them though. |
LondonLady, why do you think it was Iran, and why do you think the US will not attack Iran? Do you mean that the US would not attack Iran over the London bombings? Or do you think that the US would not attack Iran under any conditions? For example, Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons. |
Iran has been funding and encouraging much of the ME terrorism that exists, but its been pretty covert and hard to prove directly. Syria is a more likely candidate for reprisal as they are openly assisting insurgents in Iraq, and that would send a message which the US might hope would frighten Iran into some compliance.
I think the US is overextended in several respects and won't be able to attack Iran. Also, world opinion especially that of Russia and China would hinder any such overt attack.
I honestly think someone is going to have to do something about Iran's drive toward acquiring nuclear weapons, as that scenario threatens all of Europe and the US.
Most people here won't likely accept this final reason for my belief that Iran is not going to be attacked in any serious or lasting capacity, so I offer it for those who are believers in the Bible like me: Iran is listed with the Russian confederation which will attack Israel at Armageddon, so they are going to exist in some form.
Domino, I'd like to hear your thoughts, this whole area holds some fascination for me. |
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| Smaug wrote: | Military origin eh?
That does beg the question. Who's military? The answer could bring even more serious trouble.
My theory is that it will be explosives of Chinese manufacture, sold to Mugabe in Africa, and then resold by Mugabe to the people who planted it. |
Have you considered the possibility that it could be British military? It seems there's a chance that the bombers might be homegrown, and what better way to ensure that Brit Jihadis get topnotch training, and access to weaponry, than have them enlist in the British army.
Just a thought.
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| LondonLady Joined: 28 Feb 2002 Total posts: 21506 Location: London Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 07/ 12/ 05 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Why train Islamists who would not enlist in the British Army anyway? |
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| LondonLady wrote: | | Why train Islamists who would not enlist in the British Army anyway? |
Why would Islamists not enlist in the British Army if it provided the training they sought?
Did you forget the Muslim US NCO who fragged his own troops?
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| concan Joined: 30 Nov 2004 Total posts: 8285 Gender: Unknown
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| Smaug wrote: | Military origin eh?
That does beg the question. Who's military? The answer could bring even more serious trouble. |
The terrorist statement after the attack said something about the cause of this attack being the British involvement in Iraq. In other words, the Iraq terrorists have reached Britain. Most likely using the same bomb material that they're using in Iraq. Would be my logical conclusion. That material stems from Saddams own massive weapons chache which was partially seized by the US army but some stuff (like a thousand tons or so of the 300.000 tons of high grade explosives) was looted during the liberation and directly after that.
So, my guess is that it is material from pre-war Iraqi production. |
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| Al X Joined: 06 Jan 2001 Total posts: 1397 Gender: Unknown
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It’s an interesting point about the Brit military being the origin. This would not necessarily mean they were in it either. Would save having to sneak it into the country, and the Briton is one of the hardest counties to sneak this stuff into.
Media is already reporting they were Brit Citizens, whether homegrown (which to me means born and raised there) or not is another question. The Balkans are not long past a long civil war and it’s amazing what equipment is still being found just in peoples back yards to this day. There are a lot of white Muslims out there who fled during and after the war. Many were accepted as refugees or regular immigrants (family class) to countries like the UK as well as Canada. Many of these people are now Citizens.
This then presents the option of white Muslim Brit citizens with access to military materials and the experience at using them (due to their past Balkan escapades) were involved.
Iran seems like a less likely option right now and as of yet is not even being considered in any large way. However the investigation is still young so who knows what might pan out.
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