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PostPosted: 03/ 31/ 04 10:56 pm    Post subject: cr Reply with quote

The CRTC let the Playboy channel in but blocked The Miracle Network for years.

I watched the communists at Vision TV arguing that THEY could be a religious channel because they offered "diversity," but the Miracle Channel couldn't, because it was nothing but a bunch of GD Christians.
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PostPosted: 04/ 01/ 04 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get Fox News Very Happy

I enjoy watching it when I want US news, but usually I want Canadian news and I don't mind Canadian TV and Internet for that.

But I agree with JCR, too many kids in pipes.
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PostPosted: 04/ 01/ 04 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You seem to be in the loop on broadcasting regulations in Canadian markets. Fox News was a slow start in the U.S. when it was launched.

Their programming channel was a dog and people were hesitant in that they didn't need a "dog" news network either. They have improved their programming recently and have some good viewing, but I am addressing their News Cable Channel only.

Fox News debuted in major media markets and took off like a rocket. There was a deep need for alternative news programming - with or without a bias - just programming without the liberal pap being force fed the viewers about what is the best child safety seat being the top news story of the day or which celebrity was entering rehab.

When it finally arrived in my small town I was glued. I had never seen people discuss the news as they do on Fox. I kept waiting for them to be taken off the air by the FCC - but no - Roger Ailes knows his stuff....

They are broadcasting in many countries in Europe, Australia, N.Z., Britain, and I don't know where else.

When I look at the Television Programming Schedule from the Vancouver papers I usually get from my family, I see there are Chinese broadcast stations, even AlJazeera offered by some cable outlets to Canadians because it is special interest - so is news delivered with fact!

Special interest programming usually isn't governed by the audience numbers at all - but a community service offered by cable companies.
I would venture a guess Conservative Canadians are not being offered the newscasts they would prefer to view.


The argument - there is no market is a lame prediction. Until you offer the network, of course there is no market.

In the U.S. the liberally-biased networks are the alphabet ones: ABC, NBC, CBS which offer local and national news, along with the cable: PBS, C-SPAN, CNN, MSNBC. One balanced network is still the top in demographics, in numbers, in sales.... there IS no argument it is FOX. Even the liberal-biased population watch and argue because it invites argument from BOTH sides.

As close to debate as one should expect from news broadcasters. To refuse a large population of enlightened thinkers(Canadians), an alternative outlet for opinion and decision making when presented with facts and information ......

.......can only be described as censorship!
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PostPosted: 04/ 01/ 04 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnnyRotten wrote:
you can get FNC in the UK on Sky.


(useless factoid)


Yeah I watched it all the time and really loved it.

The fact is it is stupid that they wanted Fox News Canada to appear only on Digital when CNN, CBCnewsworld and CTV Newsnet are on basic. I think the channel should be undeluted anyway.

I think the other problem in this was the fact that Global would have needed to be the hosting company (as you have to have so much can content. Unless your CNN apparently).

It is not just about Fox News it is the general appearance by the CRTC to pick who wins and who loses. The CRTC should allow competition and Can Content is a pointless rule that actually so far as I can see only gives a crutch to existing monopolies who along with the CRTC seek to punish those that do not want their services.

For me this is as much about choice as what is on the blasted TV. And dont try to tell me that Rogers, Shaw and Bell cannot compete with Directv and Dish Network.
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PostPosted: 04/ 01/ 04 10:16 am    Post subject: Re: pR Reply with quote

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Canadians have so much misinformation being fed them about the U.S. it is medieval.


pRick Mercer should do a show on what a bunch of slobbering idjits Canadians are about their closest neighbour! Very Happy

Now THAT would be entertainment.


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I love Rick Mercer - for Christmas, I get his programs recorded - great presents. He is a devil!

I have one sad story about Mercer's programming however. A Canadian University Prof. commutes from Ontario to N.Y. to teach "Canadian Studies" at a small upstate N.Y. college. She uses the Mercer interviews
of Americans to demonstrate the intellectual disparity between the Canadian person on the street and the American.

I have done these kinds of "interviews" myself and they can be biased and skewed to get a great story and funny perspective - but to relegate them to serious "comparative study between the two countries?" Get Real.

Then the College Professor collects her U.S. paycheck, commutes back home to Ontario.

[This is a story I read on the CBC website once a couple of years ago. They were proclaiming her investment in bringing Canadian culture to the sub-humans south of the border.]

This is reportage? This is sabotage?

Addressing Canadian Culture - here is an example of comparative work:

http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread17888.shtml

And Fox can't get in? BAAAAAAAAAALOONEY
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PostPosted: 04/ 01/ 04 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Print media in Canada isn't censored.

Buy a subscription to the Western Standard - www.westernstandard.ca.

It bucks the CBC/Macleans/Globe groupthink we're currently stuck with.
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PostPosted: 04/ 01/ 04 11:43 am    Post subject: Fox news Reply with quote

I sent the CRTC the e-mail.

I love FOX NEWS as is. Hannity and Colmes must not be replaced. Canadians must be able to tune into Hannity's passion and elequence.
With all due respect to Micheal Coren, he is no match for Hannity.
If the CRTC allows the CNN (Clinton News Network) and
PMSNBC to beam in it should allow FOX NEWS.

I would like to see Global set up a seperate alternative to Newsworld, complete with political debates and documentaries exposing the failure of socialism.[/b]
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PostPosted: 04/ 01/ 04 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe_Clark_Rocks wrote:
Fox News Canada would have been American Fox News with some US editorial content replaced with Canadian editorial content. Most of the American Fox News would still be there, but a few things would have been replaced with Canadian editorial content.


MSNBC is not available in Canada either -- they tried the "MSNBC Canada" route in a consortium owned (ie believe) 1/3 Shaw Cable (and/or its subsidiary Corvus), 1/3 Rogers Communications and 1/3 MSNBC America. The hybrid channel is still on the air I believe but it was announced late last fall that the channel would close due to economic factors.

FOX News Canada would probably befall the same fate. The jingoistic blather that passes for "journalism" on FOX would probably not find much of a market here. I frequently stay in touch with FOX through transcripts of shows like FOX News Sunday with Britt Hume. Yikes. Scary stuff.

Still, in the interest of broader choices, I would like to see it available in Canada and an English language version of al-Jazeera if it were available. I wouldn't mind Aussie TV here either or, for that matter, the US Arab TV channel in Iraq.
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PostPosted: 04/ 01/ 04 2:12 pm    Post subject: Re: cr Reply with quote

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The CRTC let the Playboy channel in but blocked The Miracle Network for years.


I subscribe to the Catholic Channel -- [url]http://www.ewtn.com/[/url] -- and have since it came on the air in Canada (the same day as PrideVision which is next to it on the dial).

You might say they are cheek-to-cheek ....
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PostPosted: 04/ 01/ 04 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox had a slow start because Roger Alies fired basically everyone involved in the project with a media background and replaced them with raving mouth breathers hired based on ideological purity and not qualifications. Talk radio and tabloid TV have almost nothing in common with running a 24-hour news channel. There were times when Fox News just showed a loop of old newsreels because everyone was running around with their head chopped off.

Fox News was originally supposed to emulate SkyNews in the UK, the rightwing uber patriotism came much later in the project.

It was FOX and partners that came to the conclusion there was no market for a Canadian Fox News, no one else. There is little point in complaining to the CRTC about an internal business decision. They approved the project, their involvement ends there, it is up to the broadcaster to do something with their mandate.

Rupert Murdoch wants to show hardcore pornography on Fox during prime time.
Rupert Murdoch offered to let Chinese Communist party censors control their Asian news outlet, Don't look to Rupert Murdoch as a great champion of conservatism. He is just out to make a buck and he will do anything to get it.

Fox saw a market for a hardcore rightwing/patriotic "infotainment" outlet, they met that niche and have done quite well for themselves doing it, but since such a market doesn't exist in Canada, they ditched their effort as any business would.
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By Marni Soupcoff

If You Like Fox News, You'll Hate Canada

A couple of months ago, columnist Doug Patton penned an article titled, “If You Like Canada, You’ll Love Howard Dean.” His point was that the far left Democratic Presidential candidate’s collectivist leanings on issues such as healthcare and taxes bear a strong resemblance to the near-socialist government setup in nearby Canada. Indeed, Dean’s surprising popularity is a good indicator of the trend amongst many left-libs in the U.S. to openly envy, admire, and aspire to Canada’s big government, model with its extensive social safety net and universal health care system. They marvel at Canada where people are free and taken care of.



Well, as a born and raised Canadian who has returned to her native land after a decade in the States, I’m here to pose an important question to these liberal Democrats: How free can a people be if they’re not allowed to choose what they watch on TV?



You see, what Canadians really want to watch is American television. The professors and stuffed shirts who make up Canada’s cultural elite do not like to admit this fact (CBC-loving Canadian nationalists will be the last people on the planet to notice that every remotely amusing Canadian ends up in Hollywood), but it’s true. Canadians thirst for timely episodes of Ozzie cursing a blue streak on “The Osbournes.” They crave the ability to flip on ESPN and catch a ballgame no one else is carrying. They long for the novel pleasure of watching current events discussed by right-wing pundits on a conservative-slanted network like Fox News. (Well, okay, maybe that last one applies mostly to members of my immediate family, but you get the picture.) Yet, in all of these cases, Canadian viewers are denied.



Why? It all boils down to the disturbingly powerful Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC), a quasi government agency that regulates what can be shown on Canadian airwaves and decides which TV channels Canadians may access.



The CRTC has decided, in its infinite cultural wisdom, that American stations such as HBO and MTV are simply not healthy for Canadians because they would steal viewers away from Canadian television offerings. Music videos? There’s no excuse for a healthy Canadian teenage girl drooling over imperialist MTV VJ Carson Daly when she could just as easily be drooling over an equally young, attractive, vacuous Canadian VJ on Canada’s Much Music network. Funny stuff? The CRTC is not going to let Canadians watch America’s Comedy Central because they’d probably realize what absolute crud is shown on the Canadian Comedy Network (man cannot live by SCTV reruns alone) and they’d never tune in again.



It’s not that the CRTC is opposed to everything foreign, of course. The Commission is currently considering an application by Canadian cable companies to add Arabic language news network al-Jazeera to the selection of television channels available for Canadian consumption. It’s just the American stuff the cultural puritans at the CRTC can’t stomach.



Video of Osama bin Laden covertly cuing his sleeper cells to take terrorist action in North America? No problem. Tony Soprano talking about whacking someone at the Bada Bing? No way.



So, we Canadians find ourselves in the absurd position of potentially being able to tune into the latest news on the jihad against the imperialist, murderous, blood-sucking Jewish Zionist conspiracy, but unable to catch an episode of “Hannity and Colmes” because a bureaucrat at the CRTC has decided the former is more culturally acceptable than the latter. The Canadian government just doesn’t trust its citizens to make their own decisions about what content—be it fluff or high art—they want to grace their own personal boob tubes.



Of course, if Canadians don’t like their current cable television offerings, they might be tempted to shell out some bucks for a foreign satellite dish (read an American DirecTV satellite system) and pick up some of the juicy American signals (Look, there’s Carson Daly showing Angelina Jolie his tattoo!) drifting across the border. But the CRTC tells us that this—as Richard Nixon once put it—would be wrong. It would also be illegal.



Last year, the Canadian Supreme Court ruled that unscrambling foreign satellite signals (read transmissions of “Rugrats” reruns on American Nickelodeon or “The O’Reilly Factor” on Fox News) is against the law. And I don’t mean against the law in the way that littering is against the law, with violations punished by sternly disapproving looks from elderly fellow citizens. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) are actually actively engaged in raiding satellite television shops, seizing DirecTV satellite equipment, and hanging onto it for months before finally levying charges of “conspiracy to sell and distribute American satellite systems.”



It’s a scenario that would impress 1984’s Big Brother, but it does little for the cultural freedom and independence of Canadian citizens, 83 percent of whom say they want good quality programming available regardless of where it comes from, and 64 percent of whom say they think there should be no restrictions on access to non-Canadian channels.



So, the next time you’re thinking about emigrating to Canada to take advantage of all those cheap government-capped prices on prescription drugs or the cradle-to-grave universal health care system, just remember this: No regime of extensive government regulation comes without its price: a tax on personal choice and freedom.



And the Canadian government doesn’t care if you want your MTV.



—Marni Soupcoff sneaks in some Fox News viewing during her trips to the U.S. Her column appears Mondays on TAEmag.com.
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Joe_Clark_Rocks wrote:


Rupert Murdoch wants to show hardcore pornography on Fox during prime time.
Rupert Murdoch offered to let Chinese Communist party censors control their Asian news outlet, Don't look to Rupert Murdoch as a great champion of conservatism. He is just out to make a buck and he will do anything to get it.

Fox saw a market for a hardcore rightwing/patriotic "infotainment" outlet, they met that niche and have done quite well for themselves doing it, but since such a market doesn't exist in Canada, they ditched their effort as any business would.


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Thanks for the information. Rupert Murdoch wants to show porn on his television PROGRAMMING station. There are two Fox outlets in the U.S. - programming and a separate News Channel.

The News Channel was made up of local television chatting heads and Ailes needed more professional staff than the local group. He didn't clean house though because I think he kept on the noodles they have for their morning show. But you are correct, they have hired dozens of staff for the News outlet.

I wonder about which comes first? The Conservative News or the Market For Conservative News.

Having had none, the U.S. market had no idea it was missing anything until Fox started up. The comparison was so shocking, it immediately attracted a viewing audience which felt more at home there. Thus, the isolated Conservative viewers who had their radio shows, and nothing in the prime television markettransferred their affiliations to Fox in the evening hours.

To say Canada has no market....is incorrect...because it is an untested market. There is only one way to know. To launch the network. But it is Fox's decision and they obviously know best.

I think keeping the satellite feeds out of Canada is a bit much however...
like a wall being built. Too scary for me. People should be able to "dish" in any network they want and can pay for...which is available on the airwaves.

Thanks for the information
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PostPosted: 04/ 01/ 04 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never had the opportunity to view FOX News. That said, it seems that FOX served a useful role in American society in recent years.

When other stations were not offering the kind of perspectives that Americans wanted to hear, the public shifted to FOX News. Fearing their ratings, the other networks were pushed into providing more balanced coverage.

Watching CNN a few times in recent months, I have generally found the coverage fair. Sure, CNN has lots of interviews with hypocrite Harvard liberals. But the network also gives good airtime to supporters of the war, and sympathetic coverage to the men and women serving overseas.

My chief beef with CNN and Co. has been their focus on the bad news from Iraq and Afghanistan over the positive news regarding the reconstruction efforts. I attribute that state of reporting affairs more to a media thirst for Flashy Healdines than liberal bias.
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PostPosted: 04/ 01/ 04 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sent them my email too!:


Dear Sir/Madam:

I am sending this email to express my concern that, as a conservative, I find I am an underrepresented demographic in Canada. In this, I know I am not alone and I think it is time for the CRTC to review the choices that they offer to Canadians with a mind to ensuring there is balance and representation for all points of view.

The CRTC's mandate, as stated in the Broadcasting Act, is to "regulate and supervise all aspects of the Canadian broadcasting system with a view to implementing the broadcasting policy set out in [the Broadcasting Act of Canada]."

Section 3.1 (i) of the Broadcasting Act of Canada states in part that:

3.1 (i)
(i) the programming provided by the Canadian broadcasting system should

(i) be varied and comprehensive, providing a balance of information, enlightenment and entertainment for men, women and children of all ages, interests and tastes,

(ii) be drawn from local, regional, national and international sources,

(iii) include educational and community programs,

(iv) provide a reasonable opportunity for the public to be exposed to the expression of differing views on matters of public concern,

Unfortunately at the moment, among Canadian news programs available to us, there is no Fox style news which represents a conservative viewpoint in its reporting and that would highlight items of interest and concern to conservatives, reported without the bias or filter of a left-leaning point of view. For this reason, I and many other like minded Canadians would like to know why FOX NEWS is not included in your cable line-up instead of, or in addition to, CNN?

I feel it is important for the CRTC to fix this imbalance by providing programming that speaks to and for conservatives and would ask that you reconsider .

I thank you for your consideration.
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PostPosted: 04/ 01/ 04 7:23 pm    Post subject: Fox News Reply with quote

Well said shiva.


It is interesting to point out that Fox News is out drawing CNN.

Hannity and Colmes consistantly draw a third higher then Larry King in the 9-10 PM slot, ditto's for the Factor in the 8-9 slot.

Big brother CRTC is afraid Canadians will be similarily respond.
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