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 Posted: 11/ 24/ 09 3:12 pm Post subject: Tories target child porn with new bill |
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Tories target child porn with new bill
By KATHLEEN HARRIS, Sun Media
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/11/24/11906626-sun.html
OTTAWA - The federal government is cracking down on online child pornography with new legislation that imposes stiff fines or jail time for internet service providers that fail to report illicit material involving minors.
Justice Minister Rob Nicholson unveiled details of a bill today that legally requires ISPs to report tips about websites involving child porn and to safeguard evidence if they believe an offence has been committed.
"The creation and distribution of child pornography are appalling crimes in which children are brutally victimized over and over again," Nicholson said.
Proposed fines would range from $1,000 for a first offence to $10,000 and six months in jail for repeat offences for an individual. Corporations could be slapped with fines from $10,000 to $100,000.
Nicholson said some victims are infants and many are young children aged three to five years old. Perpetrators often use sophisticated and international networks to elude detection.
While critics have raised concerns about the intrusion of privacy, Nicholson said the major ISPs are "on board" with the legislation.
OPP Comissioner Julian Fantino said there has been an "explosion" of sexual exploitation of children on the web. He said this bill would give police another tool to track those who commit the "vile" acts.
kathleen.harris@sunmedia.ca
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| Connie Fournier Member
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People who produce and distribute child pornography should be shot in the head. But, creating a law that requires ISPs to spy on their clients or risk prison time is a dangerous, dangerous thing.
Notice how these internet bills keep coming from the Conservative Party? They can't STAND internet privacy.
Rob Nicholson has seriously got to go.
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| Connie Fournier Member
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| Posted: 11/ 24/ 09 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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Do you have any idea how easy it would be to set up a webmaster or an internet service provider using this legislation? And, how easily it could be expanded to include other categories of postings?
How many Canadians are going to want to provide blogs or forums when it is a money-losing proposition that opens you up to human rights complaints, defamation suits, and now prison time if your posters cross the line?
The Conservatives are on a rampage against freedom of expression and privacy on the internet.
And, the party faithful yawn.....
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| Posted: 11/ 24/ 09 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Connie Fournier wrote: | | But, creating a law that requires ISPs to spy on their clients or risk prison time is a dangerous, dangerous thing. |
That was my impression as well.
Prior to the revalations of CHRC 'hate-speech investigations', one might have had some faith that an initiative which targets internet child porn was unimpeachable.
Unfortunately, and since then, Canadians cannot trust that their governors will not empower bureaucrats with tools to carry out personal vendettas outside that narrow focus.
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I'm all for putting a quick and solid end to child porn but I can't help but remember the words of a gentleman (his name escapes me) whom I heard and interview with that was there when section 13 of the Human Rights commission was passed. He said they never ever thought that it would lead to this..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Human_Rights_Commission_free_speech_controversies
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LAR
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I agree, it's a dangerous precedent that is open to abuse.
This law will make ISPs responsible for interpreting the law. If I were them I'd report everything and anything that was even remotely related to children to avoid being fined.
Of course anyone who doesn't agree with the bill will be labelled as supporting pedophilia even if its internet privacy they are really supporting. |
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| Posted: 11/ 24/ 09 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Connie Fournier wrote: | People who produce and distribute child pornography should be shot in the head. But, creating a law that requires ISPs to spy on their clients or risk prison time is a dangerous, dangerous thing.
Notice how these internet bills keep coming from the Conservative Party? They can't STAND internet privacy.
Rob Nicholson has seriously got to go. |
I was thinking the same thing. This requires ISP's to monitor very image you post on flickr, facebook, twitter, phototbucket etc.....
Better not put a picture of the baby in the bath and think it's cute. You could have the RCMP at the door.
harper is the epitome of a paranoid control freak.
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| Connie Fournier Member
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This legislation sounds suspiciously like the Investigative Powers for the 21st Century (IP21C) Act that they were talking about last summer.
Remember, I suggested that webmasters 'out' the Conservative operatives in their forums and blogs if they passed it?
Well, this law seems to be the same darn thing with "child pornography" attached to it.
As I said before, child pornographers are the worst form of lowlife scum to walk this planet, and I would like to see them all rounded up and thrown in some prison where they would never see the light of day again.
But, this legislation gives me the creeps. Nobody should have to face a prison sentence over the actions of someone else. And, ISPs should not be forced to spy on clients who are not even under suspicion.
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| MikeNB Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Total posts: 623 Age: 43 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 11/ 24/ 09 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Connie Fournier wrote: | This legislation sounds suspiciously like the Investigative Powers for the 21st Century (IP21C) Act that they were talking about last summer.
Remember, I suggested that webmasters 'out' the Conservative operatives in their forums and blogs if they passed it?
Well, this law seems to be the same darn thing with "child pornography" attached to it.
As I said before, child pornographers are the worst form of lowlife scum to walk this planet, and I would like to see them all rounded up and thrown in some prison where they would never see the light of day again.
But, this legislation gives me the creeps. Nobody should have to face a prison sentence over the actions of someone else. And, ISPs should not be forced to spy on clients who are not even under suspicion. |
That pretty much sums it up, infringing rights by saying "child pornography" is no different than stopping free speech by saying "anti-semetic". Nail the bastards hard when you catch them rather than treating everyone like they're child porn creeps. |
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| Connie Fournier Member
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I personally would have little trouble beating to death with a baseball bat someone who violated a child. I suspect the government is banking on that being a widespread view and will use it to create a legislated base that goes far beyond that area of vile offense.
The picking away continues, but who thought it would be the "Conservatives"?
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| Connie Fournier Member
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What I find interesting is that Bill C-46, the Investigative Powers for the 21st Century (IP21C) Act (click for the Justice Department's summary) is currently sitting in committee, yet they are bringing forward this bill which is essentially the same.
Why?
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| Heartofsong83 Joined: 29 Apr 2005 Total posts: 13130 Location: Up in the woods... Age: 26 Gender: Male
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The bill should remove onus from the ISP's and toughen penalties - enormously - for the convicts.
A proven case of child porn should be punishable by long prison terms - minimum 10 years. However, ISP's should have no control, instead only concerned citizens should be allowed to report - and false reports should be reprimanded as well.
I'd also attach a removal of Section 13 to the bill as a condition for my vote if I was an MP. |
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| ChangingColours Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Total posts: 486 Location: Moscow, ON Age: 42 Gender: Unknown
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Piggy backing censorship on legislation that everyone would be crazy not to support is the hard part to get around.
Harper is a master at this. He words things for Afghanistan in a way that regardless if you oppose any of his ideas ... you are anti military. This will be the same thing. If you oppose the concept censorship ... you oppose stopping child porn.
Welcome to another situation where you cannot win. |
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LAR
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The slope gets slipperyer
| Quote: | Telus spokesman Shawn Hall said the legislation covers more than just ISPs: Content providers, email services and social networks must also abide by the new rules.
"It covers more than just internet service providers, but also anyone providing internet services to the public. It should help," he said |
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