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 Posted: 11/ 12/ 09 12:57 am Post subject: New citizenship guidebook may be too tough |
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Sorry but I have no sympathy for anyone that is unwilling to learn about the country they claim they want to adopt......Just how badly do you want it. If it's not worth learning about the countries history perhaps you should find a country elsewhere. I would also suggest making this book part of school curriculum. I'm sure there are students born here that could benifit from the information in it.
New citizenship guidebook may be too tough
http://news.therecord.com/News/Local/article/628035
November 12, 2009
By Liz Monteiro, Record staff
WATERLOO REGION — A move by the federal government to have newcomers know more about Canada’s military and political history if they want to become Canadian citizens could be unfair, says a supervisor who works with local refugees.
“It’s too much to know,’’ said Mira Malidzanovic, program director of the Reception Centre in Kitchener. The centre currently has 15 government-sponsored refugees in its David Street house. In a year, the centre serves about 280 refugees, she said.
Malidzanovic said it’s important to know Canadian history, including the significance of Remembrance Day, as well as Canada’s political history and that of First Nations.
“But is it important to know this right away,’’ she asked. “Do we want to make life more difficult? We need to think about what is the priority when it comes to settlement and integration.’’
Malidzanovic said many of the government-sponsored refugees apply for citizenship after being in Canada for three years.
Citizenship and Immigration Minister Jason Kenney said a new guidebook for immigrants wanting to become citizens will be released today.
Kenney said the new guidebook, expanded by an extra 20 pages, will broaden the information citizens need to know to take the citizenship test. The old guidebook, published in 1997 under a Liberal government, is inadequate, he said.
Kenney said the old guidebooks “fail to provide newcomers with a solid grasp of our country’s history, symbols, values and institutions.’’
He wants to see more about Canadian military history, including the significance of Remembrance Day and the meaning of the poppy, and such significant military events as Vimy Ridge, Dieppe and Juno Beach.
The revised citizenship test will come into effect in March 2010.
Lucia Harrison, executive director of the K-W Multicultural Centre, said she hopes the test hasn’t been made too difficult for newcomers.
Harrison said she likes the idea of newcomers learning more about Canadian history, including First Nations because often “we look at our history with rose-coloured glasses.’’
But “maybe we are expecting too much in a short time,’’ she said.
“I think it would be interesting to have every Canadian do a citizenship test. Some people might not know who the premier of Manitoba is,’’ Harrison said.
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Malidzanovic said it’s important to know Canadian history, including the significance of Remembrance Day, as well as Canada’s political history and that of First Nations.
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D. Johnson
Joined: 19 May 2006 Total posts: 1324 Location: Edmonton, Canada Gender: Male
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| Posted: 11/ 12/ 09 3:51 am Post subject: Re: New citizenship guidebook may be too tough |
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| styky wrote: |
Lucia Harrison, executive director of the K-W Multicultural Centre, said she hopes the test hasn’t been made too difficult for newcomers.
Harrison said she likes the idea of newcomers learning more about Canadian history, including First Nations because often “we look at our history with rose-coloured glasses.’’
But “maybe we are expecting too much in a short time,’’ she said.
“I think it would be interesting to have every Canadian do a citizenship test. Some people might not know who the premier of Manitoba is,’’ Harrison said. |
Obviously this moron doesn't, You wouldn't use the example of a premier whose been in power less than a month and maybe has received a section D page 7 article in your local paper, when you could expect your average person to know who Danny Williams or Gordon Campbell are.
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Some reasonable historical understanding I can see as of value, and I continue to be shocked at the number of people I encounter who don't know who their MLA and MP is - or recently with a grown father of 4, the difference between the two.
That said, I don't care a whit who the Premier of Manitoba is and I don't expect a new immigrant from Hong Kong living in Vancouver to care either.
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| Hopefully this is a step in the right direction with the end of the Canadians of convenience and their divided loyalties. |
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Kate Shaw
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I would like to get a copy of this guide for myself. A good overview of Canadian history from the POV of Canada is a good idea for all immigrants, including those from the USA.
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| Posted: 11/ 12/ 09 9:21 am Post subject: |
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| Kate Shaw wrote: | | I would like to get a copy of this guide for myself. A good overview of Canadian history from the POV of Canada is a good idea for all immigrants, including those from the USA. |
I checked out immigration canada's web pages because I'd really like to read this new guide myself. However I can't seem to find it in amongst all their available guides which seems odd if their supposedly promoting it. 
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/contacts/call.asp
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There was a time when Canada was worth dying for.
Now we want to import those who will not even attend history classes for her? |
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| styky wrote: | | Kate Shaw wrote: | | I would like to get a copy of this guide for myself. A good overview of Canadian history from the POV of Canada is a good idea for all immigrants, including those from the USA. |
I checked out immigration canada's web pages because I'd really like to read this new guide myself. However I can't seem to find it in amongst all their available guides which seems odd if their supposedly promoting it.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/contacts/call.asp |
You can downlod a PDF version here:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/pub/discover.pdf
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| Dacre Joined: 17 Dec 2003 Total posts: 10024 Location: Niagara Peninsula Gender: Unknown
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| That's because liberals don't believe in that homeandnativeland. |
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homeandnativeland
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| Dacre wrote: | | That's because liberals don't believe in that homeandnativeland. |
What is my home, my love and a deep spiritual connection is nothing a silly little social experiment for liberals.
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Funny thing. I remember most of what little I was taught in public schools in Ontario and Québec. there was not a ton of Canadian history. Some, but hardly anything real significant. We learned Chinese history, British history, some of classical Greece history. I remember learning about Alexander the Great and Gengis Kahn. The only thing I learned LESS about in a Canadian public school, was American (U.S.) history. Of that, we learned none.
A point of interest, I went into a bookstore here in Indianapolis yesterday, and looked in the History section. I could find entire sections of history of central and south America, and the rest of the world. I could find nothing on Canadian history... at all.
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| WestViking wrote: | | styky wrote: | | Kate Shaw wrote: | | I would like to get a copy of this guide for myself. A good overview of Canadian history from the POV of Canada is a good idea for all immigrants, including those from the USA. |
I checked out immigration canada's web pages because I'd really like to read this new guide myself. However I can't seem to find it in amongst all their available guides which seems odd if their supposedly promoting it.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/contacts/call.asp |
You can downlod a PDF version here:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/pub/discover.pdf |
Thank you.....done
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Kate Shaw
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| ccrb wrote: | Funny thing. I remember most of what little I was taught in public schools in Ontario and Québec. there was not a ton of Canadian history. Some, but hardly anything real significant. We learned Chinese history, British history, some of classical Greece history. I remember learning about Alexander the Great and Gengis Kahn. The only thing I learned LESS about in a Canadian public school, was American (U.S.) history. Of that, we learned none.
A point of interest, I went into a bookstore here in Indianapolis yesterday, and looked in the History section. I could find entire sections of history of central and south America, and the rest of the world. I could find nothing on Canadian history... at all.
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We studied Canadian history in New York State. We also studied NYork State history, which sometimes was the same thing, for one entire year.
Interestingly enough, a couple of weeks ago when I was looking for something to read that was not either anti-American or dirty, I browsed the *history and politics* section at Chapters and discovered that almost everything there was anti-American and there was almost no Canadian history.
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globe and mail
The new Canada: a question of emphasis
The Queen is in, health care is out. The 250,000 immigrants who apply to become a Canadian each year will see a 'tougher' picture of the nation in Ottawa's new guide
Joe Friesen and Bill Curry
Toronto and Ottawa — From Friday's Globe and Mail Published on Thursday, Nov. 12, 2009 12:15PM EST Last updated on Friday, Nov. 13, 2009 3:38AM EST
Canada's new immigration guide traces a national portrait that may be unfamiliar to many Canadians, one that draws heavily on historic symbols long exiled from the national consciousness.
The monarchy and the military, dominant themes through the middle of the 20th century, are given much greater prominence in this new document.
The land, the environment and health care, mainstays of Canada's self image through the past two decades, are largely ignored.
Citizenship and Immigration Minister Jason Kenney unveiled the guide in Ottawa Thursday.
“ It's kind of like a throwback to the 1950s. It's a tough, manly country with military and sports heroes that are all men. ”— Historian Margaret Conrad
It will be given to the 250,000 new immigrants who apply to become Canadian every year to help them prepare for their citizenship exams.
The minister said the document is a major improvement on the previous version, a 47-page booklet last updated under the Liberals in 1995.
“I think this is responding to a growing public demand for a deeper sense of citizenship,” he said.
“It's hopefully a useful resource for all Canadians, particularly young Canadians, to better know their country. I'm frankly more concerned about historical amnesia and civic illiteracy amongst native-born young Canadians than I am about immigrants who become Canadians.”
Historian Margaret Conrad said the new guide “represents a new kind of Canada, one that is less sympathetic with my personal sense of a progressive, forward-looking nation, but the new slant is no doubt in keeping with the sentiments of the current administration in Ottawa.”
She said she was surprised that the environment, given two pages in the previous guide, disappeared in the new document. The emphasis on the Queen and the Canadian Forces also struck her as unusual.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/the-new-canada-a-question-of-emphasis/article1360915/ |
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