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 Posted: 11/ 07/ 09 1:27 am Post subject: Marc Lemire on Hate - the early years |
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Over at Jay's Place, Dawg linked to a thread, in turn linked to an archived Nizkor thread from August 1995, which produced this enlightening exchange qualifying Dawg's hatred for neo-nazis and zionists alike:
The Year: 1995
The Place: Two different rooms somewhere in Canada
The Players: An Unidentified Member and Marc Lemire
The Topic: Nazi's in the Canadian Armed Forces
| Quote: | | Marc Lemire wrote: | | Unidentified Member wrote: | | Net-spammer and Nazi apologist Marc Lemire, with his White Power BBS in Toronto, is (according to him) a medic in the Canadian Armed Forces. |
I am not a Nazi apologist. Where is the proof to this bullshit! |
| Marc Lemire wrote: | | Unidentified Member wrote: | Without inviting a flame war, I would be interested in debate on the following:
- Do Canadian citizens have an interest in just who is "standing
on guard for thee"?
- Was Somalia, in fact, an aberration, or is there a more general problem? |
Even in Somalia, Canadian Peacekeepers were reguarded as the best trained and most reliable. Untill the poor peacekeepers came home to a firestorm of critisism, they had high moral.
But it is typical to the Canadian attitude. When the Americans have a Hero they flaunt him all over television and give him medals galore. If they are lucky they will even meet the President. But in Canada, a Hero is treated nice for a day, then thats it. No meeting with the Prime Minister, no big medal ceromonies, no big hoopla.
That is why the Moral in the Canadian Forces is quite low right now. Everyday they turn on the TV and the government is blasted them. Shutting down the Airborne, which was Canada's MOST elite unit.
There is Racism everywhere in the world, but to try to cut it out will in the end only create more. You have to remember that most CF soldiers arr White and are males. And in situations like they are put in everyday, Race is NOT a factor. We consider ourselves a big group.
Being a Medic, I would still put my life on the line for someone who is not White. It's all part of the job. Just like being in the Airborne. They all have a respect for each other. Even if they are racist inside, it does not get in the way of teh duty and job they have. When racism does get in the way and their duties cannot be fufilled. Then that person is let go from Military service. |
| Marc Lemire wrote: | | Unidentified Member wrote: | | he stated that nazis should be permitted in the Canadian Armed Forces because this was a matter of freedom of belief? Or are there wider policy implications involved? |
I must agree with him. There are every kind of racist in the Canadian Forces.
There are Black racists, White racists, Oriental racists, etc. But in our charter of rights and freedoms, we are guarenteed the right to have our own beliefs and opinions. If I feel superior because I am White, I have that option. If I feel superior because I am Black, I also have the right to do that.
We in a Free and democratic society should have the right to hate who we want.
If you don't like "One eyed, green haired" people, well your free to do that.
But once you start causing physical harm to them, the law steps in and says "thats not right, go to jail".
I agree with that.
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| Posted: 11/ 07/ 09 8:09 am Post subject: Re: Marc Lemire on Hate - the early years |
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| Marc Lemire wrote: | | There is Racism everywhere in the world, but to try to cut it out will in the end only create more. |
written 1995
now in 2009, look back at what the CHRC, s13 and its supporters and the gov't attempts to curb thoughts have done.
how profound of a statement in 95 .............
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| Posted: 11/ 07/ 09 10:21 am Post subject: Re: Marc Lemire on Hate - the early years |
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| Maikeru wrote: | Over at Jay's Place, Dawg linked to a thread, in turn linked to an archived Nizkor thread from August 1995, which produced this enlightening exchange qualifying Dawg's hatred for neo-nazis and zionists alike:
The Year: 1995
The Place: Two different rooms somewhere in Canada
The Players: An Unidentified Member and Marc Lemire
The Topic: Nazi's in the Canadian Armed Forces
| Quote: | | Marc Lemire wrote: | | Unidentified Member wrote: | | Net-spammer and Nazi apologist Marc Lemire, with his White Power BBS in Toronto, is (according to him) a medic in the Canadian Armed Forces. |
I am not a Nazi apologist. Where is the proof to this bullshit! |
| Marc Lemire wrote: | | Unidentified Member wrote: | Without inviting a flame war, I would be interested in debate on the following:
- Do Canadian citizens have an interest in just who is "standing
on guard for thee"?
- Was Somalia, in fact, an aberration, or is there a more general problem? |
Even in Somalia, Canadian Peacekeepers were reguarded as the best trained and most reliable. Untill the poor peacekeepers came home to a firestorm of critisism, they had high moral.
But it is typical to the Canadian attitude. When the Americans have a Hero they flaunt him all over television and give him medals galore. If they are lucky they will even meet the President. But in Canada, a Hero is treated nice for a day, then thats it. No meeting with the Prime Minister, no big medal ceromonies, no big hoopla.
That is why the Moral in the Canadian Forces is quite low right now. Everyday they turn on the TV and the government is blasted them. Shutting down the Airborne, which was Canada's MOST elite unit.
There is Racism everywhere in the world, but to try to cut it out will in the end only create more. You have to remember that most CF soldiers arr White and are males. And in situations like they are put in everyday, Race is NOT a factor. We consider ourselves a big group.
Being a Medic, I would still put my life on the line for someone who is not White. It's all part of the job. Just like being in the Airborne. They all have a respect for each other. Even if they are racist inside, it does not get in the way of teh duty and job they have. When racism does get in the way and their duties cannot be fufilled. Then that person is let go from Military service. |
| Marc Lemire wrote: | | Unidentified Member wrote: | | he stated that nazis should be permitted in the Canadian Armed Forces because this was a matter of freedom of belief? Or are there wider policy implications involved? |
I must agree with him. There are every kind of racist in the Canadian Forces.
There are Black racists, White racists, Oriental racists, etc. But in our charter of rights and freedoms, we are guarenteed the right to have our own beliefs and opinions. If I feel superior because I am White, I have that option. If I feel superior because I am Black, I also have the right to do that.
We in a Free and democratic society should have the right to hate who we want.
If you don't like "One eyed, green haired" people, well your free to do that.
But once you start causing physical harm to them, the law steps in and says "thats not right, go to jail".
I agree with that.
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It seems to me that this Mr Dawg hasn't a clue to what he's talking about. I understand completely what Lemire is stating. |
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Remember, according to the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal, Marc Lemire has not personally written one word that violated Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act, much less, the criminal code.
And, think about this. When John Baglow (Dr. Dawg) says that Marc Lemire is a Nazi, he is also saying that the historical Nazis were no worse than some computer nerd who has been investigated and vindicated by the CHRT. .
That, my friends, is holocaust denial.
Using that word to describe a normal person like Marc Lemire is like spitting on the graves of the millions of people who suffered and died at the hands of real Nazis.
It's not really surprising, though, considering the other stuff John Baglow posts about Israel. 
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Maikeru
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Rooting through the 'Lemire 1995' Nizkor archives, a familiar name pops up...
| Quote: | Subject: Re: Another Nazi in the Canadian Armed Forces
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 05:38:49 GMT
> John Baglow (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Net-spammer and Nazi apologist Marc Lemire, with his White
> : Power BBS in Toronto, is (according to him) a medic in the
> : Canadian Armed Forces. ...
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> Maybe a better Subject line might read ...
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> Non-Nazi Discovered In Canadian Armed Forced!
Thank you. You are 100% correct. I am not a Nazi and have never claimed to
be. People like the person who wrote the original message like to point and
call anyone who they might not like, or people who say controversial things,
Nazis' That buzzword has been used too many times and I am personally sick of
it.
Marc |
That is soooo cute.
Dawg as a puppy - yelping at the Canadian Armed Forced!
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Maikeru
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| Posted: 11/ 07/ 09 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Another interesting exchange found in the 'Lemire 1995' Nizkor archives, flowing from a discussion of Dachau concentration camp, and events following liberation.
In this exchange, Marc Lemire questions the assertion that approximately 6 million Jews were murdered from 1933 to 1945
This was obviously before Marc Lemire got careful
| Quote: | Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 08:11:24 GMT
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>Oh yes the poor Nazi guards! Reading your bullshit made kind of hope that
>the Yanks did kill a bunch of guards. That's because too many war
>criminals got away during the Nuremburg Trials. Swift justice, legality
>didn't matter if those guards were really killed.
You are a very sick person. How could you wish harm upon anyone?
How could you also say that it doesn't matter if those guards were really
killed. How would you feel if I said, it doesn't matter if any Jews were
killed.
>So what was Dachau? Some sort of luxury labour camp? Take away the Jews
>money, property, livelihood, THEIR LIVES PERIOD. Then put them in a
>goldplated workcamp with the world's most progressive labour laws!
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>You nazi wingnuts ought to try a dose of reality!
Actually only EIGHT PERCENT OF DACHAU WAS JEWISH. And it was not a luxury
camp. it was a forced labour camp. No one said it was nice there. I say
that NO PERSON IN THE CAMP WAS EVER GASSED THEIR.
>The bottom line is approximately 6 million Jews were murdered from 1933
>to 1945. Then add on atleast another 1 or 2 million gays, lesbians, the
>mentally handicapped, the physically handicapped, gypsies, and host of
>nationals that stood up against the Nazi.
I do not think that Six million Jews were killed. I do know that alot of Jews
were but I must serously question the six million number.
>May you goosestep off the edge of a high cliff!
You are a very sick person. have you thought about professional help?
Marc |
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Maikeru
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Many of the exchanges found in the 'Lemire 1995' Nizkor archives are just rage against the beast. This one was more reasonable:
| Quote: | Subject: Re: The Dachau Gas Chamber exposed!
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 08:36:00 GMT
| Marc Lemire wrote: | | Unidentified wrote: |
>It's almost certainly true that Nazi guards were killed at Dachau by
>American troops. Here's what Martin Gilbert has to say about this in
>his book "The Second World War", 1989, pp 678:
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> Within an hour, all five hundred of his [bzs - Nazi Lieutenant
> Skodzensky] garrison troops were to be killed, some by the
> inmates themselves, but more than 300 of them by American
> soldiers who had been literally sickened by what they saw
> of rotting corpses and desparate, starving inmates. In one
> incident, an American lieutenant machine-gunned 346 of the
> SS guards after they had surrendered, and were lined up
> against a wall.
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>See, that's a reasonable way to make this point, citing a reasonable
>and known source (Gilbert has written several histories and has
>received much acclaim, they tend to read more like diaries or extended
>press reports than analytic histories.)
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>I'm not asking everyone here to believe me (other than that I quoted
>the above honestly, but that's easily checked, you can find this book
>in any decent book store or library), I wasn't there, but I refer
>anyone interested to at least one reputable source and of course
>they're free to look into other sources if they like.
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>Gilbert says nothing of dogs, but that means little. With millions of
>people dying in this all-out war no doubt the killing of a few guard
>dogs would seem minor in the scheme of things, even if pathetic to our
>far removed and comfortable sensibilities.
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>Remember that these dogs were trained to attack and kill and pretty
>much only obey the officers they were assigned to. No doubt an
>inconvenience, I suspect most anyone in the same situation would have
>done the same thing (and trust me, I love dogs, especially dogs like
>German Shepherds.) What else would you do with a bunch of trained
>attack dogs? You have thousands of starving prisoners, even feeding
>the dogs or spending any energy on them would seem crazy under the
>circumstances.
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>At any rate, you mention these dogs. Gilbert doesn't. |
The whole point about the dogs was how savage teh Americans killed them.
Using CLUBS instead of there guns. If there were shot there would be very
little pain to the dog since it would have died quite fast. but being clubbed
to death. That is very painfull. |
| Marc Lemire wrote: | | Unidentified wrote: | >History is often a matter of omissions and inclusions, few will sit
>still for every single detail (the liberation of Dachau takes up only
>about two pages in Gilbert's 700+ page book.)
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>So we know what you claim Gilbert omitted, what have you omitted?
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>For example, there were about 2500 Jewish prisoners at Dachau on the
>day of liberation, around 2400 of them (all but about 100) died within
>the next month despite efforts of the Allies to save them (same
>source, Gilbert, same page.) |
Yes that is due to the typhus epidemic. Not due to the Germans directly
killing them. |
| Marc Lemire wrote: | | Unidentified wrote: | >So, yes, there was a lot of death at Dachau. It was, as described, a
>"killing factory".
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>Not to make light of what may well have been a war-time atrocity (I
>have no information as to whether it was later punished or not), but
>taken by the numbers the guards and their dogs are a very tiny
>percentage of the deaths at Dachau, even during liberation.
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>As with many things relating to these death camps, the Nazis would
>have fared better if they hadn't involved themselves in this insanity
>at all, the rest was, for better or for worse, justified or
>unjustified, the horrible result. |
I must agree. I also wish that the nazi's did NOT have such camps. In the
end it only worked against them. And it a huge source for Anti-German
Propaganda today.
Marc |
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Maikeru
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| Posted: 11/ 07/ 09 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Canadian Airborne blasted in the 'Lemire 1995' Nizkor archives:
| Quote: | Subject: Re: people in the Canadian Armed Forces
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 95 06:23:36 GMT
| Unidentified wrote: | | Marc Lemire wrote: | >> Even in Somalia, Canadian Peacekeepers were reguarded as the best trained
and
>> most reliable. Untill the poor peacekeepers came home to a firestorm of
>> critisism, they had high moral. |
>Lets see. The criticism dealt with the fact that they SAVAGELY BEAT AN
>INNOCENT TO DEATH. I don't know what you conception of the Canadian
>PEACEkeeper is, or of the Canadian mindset, but this certainly, is not it. |
| Unidentified wrote: | | Marc Lemire wrote: | That is not exactly what I was talking about. I am refering to the way the
Peacekeepers were treated by the press and the government. Beating of
innocent people happened quite frequently in Somolia. But the Canadians are
the only ones who blew it way out of porportion.
>> But it is typical to the Canadian attitude. When the Americans have a
Hero
>> they flaunt him all over television and give him medals galore. If they
are
>> lucky they will even meet the President. But in Canada, a Hero is treated
>> nice for a day, then thats it. No meeting with the Prime Minister, no big
>> medal ceromonies, no big hoopla. |
>If you think the Americans glorify their heros because of their actions,
>you must not have heard about Vietnam. In Canada a hero is distinguished
>but in Canada a hero is not exploited for media value or marketability. |
| Unidentified wrote: | | Marc Lemire wrote: | Media value and marketability? What a stupid thing to say.
How would you feel if you risked your life for your country. And when you got
back from overseas all you got was a shitty medal and a little party. but
your friend in the American army who did just as a heroric thing got treated
like a king and got to meet the President.
They DO NOT DO IT FOR MEDIA VALUE OR MARKETABILITY, they do it to raise moral
of the army and make the public feel like their tax dollars are not being
wasted.
>> everyday they turn on the TV and the government is blasted them. Shutting
>> down the Airborne, which was Canada's MOST elite unit. |
>"blasted them" as you so eloquently put it, because as peacekeepers who
>are supposed to exemplify what is good and right about Canada they
>SAVAGELY BEAT AN INNOCENT TO DEATH. |
| Unidentified wrote: | | Marc Lemire wrote: | How many people did that. NOT THE WHOLE AIRBORNE. They shut the WHOLE
AIRBORNE down. That was quite a blow to the military and one that was NOT
NEEDED.
>> There is Racism everywhere in the world, but to try to cut it out will in
the
>> end only create more. You have to remember that most CF soldiers are White
>> and are males. And in situations like they are put in everyday, Race is
>NOT a
>> factor. |
>Wonderful reasoning, that. According to you, we should just let racist
>attitude flourish so everybody ends up hating each other because of the
>colour of their skin, or some other superfluous feature because it is the
>easiest thing to do ? |
| Unidentified wrote: | | Marc Lemire wrote: | I assume you have never been in the Military and do not know first hand how we
treat our fellow army men. AND IN CASE YOU CAN'T READ I SAID THAT RACE IS
NOT A FACTOR.
>> Even if they are racist inside, it does not
>> get in the way of teh duty and job they have. |
>They SAVAGELY BEAT AN INNOCENT TO DEATH. They are peacekeepers. See the
>conflict? |
| Marc Lemire wrote: | 3 peacekeepers did that. But you are painting all the peacekeepers. Boy your
are quite prejudice and ignorant 'eh?
Marc |
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| Connie Fournier Member
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Marc Lemire was 19 or 20 years old in 1995. He was fully investigated by the CHRC, and none of the posts that he wrote himself were deemed to violate Section 13 of the Human Rights Act.
The censors really love to go after the young people. They find them online and they use fake identities to encourage them to say things that cross the line, then they destroy their lives. Marc is an example of this, and so is Jessica Beaumont and Liz Lampman.
I don't know what makes me sicker, the sociopaths who do this stuff, or the people on our side who are such cowards that they participant in the dehumanization of people they don't even know, in an attempt to protect their own reputations.
I shudder to think of what will become of us if we are ever called to defend our rights through war. There are a lot of people who are quite willing to sit in front of a keyboard and write about how much they care about freedom. But, the moment they are asked to do something that might involve any kind of risk, they run up the white flag.
To be honest, I'm more worried about being shot in the back by the chickens on our side than I am about fighting the censors.
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O.K. I'm just asking. But here is my question.
Is is a denial of the holocaust to question the '6 million' number? I mean, is the number so sacrosanct, that to question it, is to deny the holocaust ever happened?
If that's so, then there is some serious fallout. I mean, if the number was 250,000 would that make it any less awful?
Seems to me there is a big difference between someone questioning the number of Jews gassed and denying that any gassing took place.
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| Connie Fournier Member
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| Post Tenebras Lux wrote: | O.K. I'm just asking. But here is my question.
Is is a denial of the holocaust to question the '6 million' number? I mean, is the number so sacrosanct, that to question it, is to deny the holocaust ever happened?
If that's so, then there is some serious fallout. I mean, if the number was 250,000 would that make it any less awful?
Seems to me there is a big difference between someone questioning the number of Jews gassed and denying that any gassing took place. |
If you question the number, you are called a holocaust denier.
If you actively promote "Israeli Apartheid Week" or march with the Aryan Guard against Israel, but you are a leftwing whacko, you are immune from criticism.
If you are 100% pro-Israel but you are conservative, a handshake with someone who questions the number results in you being called a "Nazi sympathizer".
The guilt by association game has worked wonderfully. Nobody wants people to be afraid to speak to them or shake their hand, so many people (including some speech warriors) will actively participate in the dehumanization of other people in order to protect themselves. The people who have been targeted by these socialist censors are North America's untouchables.
As a Christian, I find it nauseating.
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| Post Tenebras Lux wrote: | O.K. I'm just asking. But here is my question.
Is is a denial of the holocaust to question the '6 million' number? I mean, is the number so sacrosanct, that to question it, is to deny the holocaust ever happened?
If that's so, then there is some serious fallout. I mean, if the number was 250,000 would that make it any less awful?
Seems to me there is a big difference between someone questioning the number of Jews gassed and denying that any gassing took place. |
I think there is a broad brush approach that painted every nazi prison camp as a gas chamber. A recent set of articles came out about Simon Wiesenthal, who I think helped perpetrate that perception. It seems in hindsight from some of the records analyszed, he was quite the embellisher in his tales to the liberating allied forces.
The Red Cross recently started releasing some of their classified historical data on these prison camp deaths - maybe there was 6 mill, maybe 10, maybe 20 million, maybe only 2 million - who wants to count ? Anyone sifting thru those records for a "accurate" tally would come out with a lot of mental or social issues, I suppose.
There is also a lot of data released over the last few years that suggests at least some of those camps were not possibly gas chamber camps. A lot of people died in them, none-the-less, whether it was from malnutrition, typhus, mistreatments of other sorts, or what have you.
The number shouldn't be sacrosanct. The overall events should be. I think it was last year that Canada noted a day for the communist holocaust in the Ukraine ( holomodor day ?) Numbers on that vary from 7 to 12 million. How does one hammer that down accurately either? The Turks and Armenians are arguing about the Aremenian holocaust - numbers quoted are 1.0-1.5 million. Hammer that one as well?
There is probably a broad brush approach taken to the Ukraine holocaust and the Armenian holocuast as well. How else does one do it ?
If people want to spend their lives tabulating and arguing over death certificates - go ahead - knock themselves out.
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| fourhorses wrote: | | Post Tenebras Lux wrote: | O.K. I'm just asking. But here is my question.
Is is a denial of the holocaust to question the '6 million' number? I mean, is the number so sacrosanct, that to question it, is to deny the holocaust ever happened?
If that's so, then there is some serious fallout. I mean, if the number was 250,000 would that make it any less awful?
Seems to me there is a big difference between someone questioning the number of Jews gassed and denying that any gassing took place. |
I think there is a broad brush approach that painted every nazi prison camp as a gas chamber. A recent set of articles came out about Simon Wiesenthal, who I think helped perpetrate that perception. It seems in hindsight from some of the records analyszed, he was quite the embellisher in his tales to the liberating allied forces.
The Red Cross recently started releasing some of their classified historical data on these prison camp deaths - maybe there was 6 mill, maybe 10, maybe 20 million, maybe only 2 million - who wants to count ? Anyone sifting thru those records for a "accurate" tally would come out with a lot of mental or social issues, I suppose.
There is also a lot of data released over the last few years that suggests at least some of those camps were not possibly gas chamber camps. A lot of people died in them, none-the-less, whether it was from malnutrition, typhus, mistreatments of other sorts, or what have you.
The number shouldn't be sacrosanct. The overall events should be. I think it was last year that Canada noted a day for the communist holocaust in the Ukraine ( holomodor day ?) Numbers on that vary from 7 to 12 million. How does one hammer that down accurately either? The Turks and Armenians are arguing about the Aremenian holocaust - numbers quoted are 1.0-1.5 million. Hammer that one as well?
There is probably a broad brush approach taken to the Ukraine holocaust and the Armenian holocuast as well. How else does one do it ?
If people want to spend their lives tabulating and arguing over death certificates - go ahead - knock themselves out. |
I agree. But what I cannot accept is that there is no room for legitimate debate on aspects of such issues without immediately being branded as a hate-monger, or worse.
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| Connie Fournier Member
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| Post Tenebras Lux wrote: |
I agree. But what I cannot accept is that there is no room for legitimate debate on aspects of such issues without immediately being branded as a hate-monger, or worse. |
Unfortunately, that is the current state of affairs.
I have no reason to believe the number is wrong, but I don't think people should have their lives destroyed for questioning it.
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Maikeru
Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Total posts: 4374 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Gender: Male
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| Posted: 11/ 07/ 09 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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The 'Lemire 1995' Nizkor archives contain a lot of repitious posts and repeat posts.
A marathon post arises where Ken McVay and Marc Lemire go at it, hammer and tong, for post after post, blow after blow - two heavyweights trading cyber-accusations - Prove this!, Remove that !
This goes on for a full sixteen rounds, until the bell rings on a split decision.
Then this perspective on Somalia pops up out of nowhere...
| Quote: | | Marc Lemire wrote: | | Unidentified wrote: | | *exactly* what was needed in Somalia. |
The Locals (Somolians) would try to break into the Canadians Camp 24 hours a
day. They would run through and grab anything they could get their hands on
and run back out. Being in the Armed Forces, I know that when you lose you
Kit (equipment) you are in alot of shit. So the soldiers would chase the
Somolians back out. There was only 1 instance when the CF personelle got out
of hand and beat a poor person. But compare that to the others Armies that
were there. From people I have spoken to who were in Sololia, this kind of
thing was quite frequent. The soldiers did it as an example to the other
Somolians, If they see that they will get beat up by stealing, maybe they
would stop. See to the Somolians, violence was the only thing they
understood. So these type of rash measures (rash to Canadian standards) were
appeptable over there.
In Somolia it was who ever had the power. And when an Army goes anywhere they
are the ones who want to have the power.
Marc |
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