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 Posted: 09/ 08/ 09 8:07 am Post subject: Fromm: Demand Hadjis Reverse Beaumont Penalties |
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Paul Fromm: Demands that Hadjis Reverse Beaumont Penalties Hadjis Imposed
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Canadian Association for Free Expression
P.O. Box 332,
Rexdale, ON., M9W 5L3
PH: 905-274-3868; FAX 905-278-2413
September 4, 2009
Mr. Athanasios D. Hadjis, Vice-Chairman.
Canadian Human Rights Tribunal
160 Elgin Street, 11th Floor
Ottawa, ON K1A 1J4
Dear Mr. Hadjis:
Re: Richard Warman v. Jessica Beaumont
Dear Mr. Hadjis:
You were the Member seized of this complaint; that is, Richard Warman v. Jessica Beaumont. Hearings were held in Vancouver in December of 2006. I was Miss Beaumont's agent throughout these proceedings.
You found her guilty of a discriminatory practice, contrary to the controversial Sec. 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act and, in your decision, delivered October 26, 2007, assessed certain penalties:
[94] In assessing the appropriateness of such an order, the only messages in issue are those that reference Mr. Warman, and not the entirety of the material that has been found to be in breach of s. 13. Ms. Beaumont knew or should have known that the language she was using to attack and ridicule Mr. Warman was likely to expose him to hatred and contempt in conjunction with his identification as a Jew. The reference to "Dead Warman Society" accompanied by images of swastikas is particularly troubling. Words suggesting that harm should come to another cannot be taken lightly, even if they were made in jest. Others viewing this material on the Internet may not see it as such and take the message more seriously. Mr. Warman also points out that Message 30, for instance, was posted after Ms. Beaumont was served with the human rights complaint. Thus, rather than halting the hate messages, she continued them and began to include references to Mr. Warman by name.
[95] In the circumstances, I therefore order Ms. Beaumont to pay the sum of $3,000 in special compensation, pursuant to s. 54(1)(b) of the Act.
104] Taking all of these factors into account, I order Ms. Beaumont to pay a penalty of $1,500. Payment of the penalty shall be made by certified cheque or money order payable to the "Receiver General for Canada", and must be received by the Tribunal within 120 days of the date on which this decision is served on Ms. Beaumont.
[80] I therefore see no reason to deny the order. Ms. Beaumont is ordered to cease and desist from communicating or causing to be communicated, by the means described in s. 13 of the Act, and particularly the Internet, any matter of the type contained in the messages at issue in this case that is likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt by reason of the fact that the person or persons are identifiable on the basis of a prohibited ground of discrimination.
On September 2, you rendered your decision in Richard Warman v. Marc Lemire and declared Sec. 13 to be unconstitutional:
I have also concluded that s. 13(1) in conjunction with ss. 54(1) and (1.1) are inconsistent with s. 2(b) of the Charter, which guarantees the freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression. The restriction imposed by these provisions is not a reasonable limit within the meaning of s. 1 of the Charter.
Miss Beaumont complied with your orders and paid her fine in full and the $3,000 awarded to Richard Warman. Ironically, Mr. Warman obtained a court order and a further $3,000 was removed from Miss Beaumont's account after she had purchased a draft to pay him. It was some weeks before this money was returned to her.
In light of your decision in Warman v. Lemire, I seek:
1. that you rescind the "cease and desist" order. This is especially vital, as it is a legal burden hanging over Miss Beaumont for life, an obligation to silence under a law you hold is a violation of the Charter! Your "cease and desist" order is doubly onerous, as Miss Beaumont, who is not a lawyer, is enjoined not to communicate messages of |"the type contained in the messages at issue in this case." Yet, in your ruling, you found that "many," but not all, the impugned messages in the complaint violated Sec. 13.
[74] In sum, I find that in most of the impugned messages, Ms. Beaumont engaged in the communication of matter that was likely to expose persons identifiable on the basis of a prohibited ground of discrimination (namely race, religion, national or ethnic origin, and sexual orientation), to hatred or contempt.
Thus, Miss Beaumont has no guidance as to which messages were deemed acceptable.
2. that you cancel the $3,000 award to Mr. Warman and order that he return these monies, plus interest back to the date of the decision, to Miss Beaumont.
3. that you cancel the $1,500 fine imposed on Miss Beaumont and order that these monies, plus interest back to the date of the decision, be returned to Miss Beaumont.
Sincerely yours,
Paul Fromm
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| Posted: 09/ 08/ 09 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| fourhorses wrote: | | Beaumont is the case the CHRC & CHRT MUST bury! |
Indeed. The Jessica Beaumont case is another disaster for the CHRC and Section 13. Like Marc Lemire, Jessica Beaumont was run over by the Richard Warman/CHRC censorship train. She too deserves the justice she has been denied.
Thank you, fourhorses, for the untold hours of work you have done to bring the story of this travesty to the public.
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Maikeru
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Paul Fromm !? grrr....
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| westcoast woman Joined: 29 Nov 2007 Total posts: 230 Gender: Unknown
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I just had time to read a little of this, I will be going through the whole thing later. Thank you fourhorses for your diligence. This is a story that should be picked up by other sites so that Canadians can learn where their tax money is going. Ten policemen are needed to apprehend a silly young girl because she wrote stupid things that offended Richard Warman?
We are obviously paying too much in taxes if our policemen have time to do this. |
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Harry Abrams
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| Maikeru wrote: | | Paul Fromm !? grrr.... |
Not a fan of his? |
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| Mark Fournier Member
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| Maikeru wrote: | | Paul Fromm !? grrr.... |
Regardless of Fromm's politics, while the rest of us were still asleep he was one of the very few who was willing to try to help some of the victims of the unconstitutional Section 13 and Richard Warman .
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Harry Abrams
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| Well Mark, you should nominate him for the Order of Canada or maybe a Nobel prize. |
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| shiva Joined: 13 Oct 2003 Total posts: 3757 Gender: Female
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| Harry Abrams wrote: | | Well Mark, you should nominate him for the Order of Canada or maybe a Nobel prize. |
What a ridiculous (but predictable) response.
Is there anything in between for you people? Is it possible that those of us who are concerned about the PRINCIPLES at stake here, can support his efforts without having to agree with him in his personal views of other sub-issues?
BTW - I also want to thank fourhorses for the countless hours he has spent compiling and documenting the madness. The fact that you can still see and think straight after exposing yourself to all this nonsense is remarkable.  |
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Harry Abrams
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| shiva wrote: |
Is there anything in between for you people? Is it possible that those of us who are concerned about the PRINCIPLES at stake here, can support his efforts without having to agree with him in his personal views of other sub-issues?
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Don't mind me. After I read the entire decision by the Ontario College of Teachers revoking his teaching license for conduct unbecoming....the bloom was off the rose. |
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| Harry Abrams wrote: | | Well Mark, you should nominate him for the Order of Canada or maybe a Nobel prize. |
Considering the trash and dupes who have been awarded those so-called "honours" it would definitely be a step up.
Ahenakew?
Carter?
Yasir Arafat?
Algore?
Puh-leeeze! 
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EdS
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| Harry Abrams wrote: | | shiva wrote: | | Is there anything in between for you people? Is it possible that those of us who are concerned about the PRINCIPLES at stake here, can support his efforts without having to agree with him in his personal views of other sub-issues? |
Don't mind me. After I read the entire decision by the Ontario College of Teachers revoking his teaching license for conduct unbecoming....the bloom was off the rose. |
Utterly irrelevant to the issue.
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Maikeru
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| Mark Fournier wrote: | | Maikeru wrote: | | Paul Fromm !? grrr.... |
Regardless of Fromm's politics, while the rest of us were still asleep he was one of the very few who was willing to try to help some of the victims of the unconstitutional Section 13 and Richard Warman . |
Mr. Fromm is one of those Canadians the very mention of whom evokes disdain in polite society.
Although I know very little about him, I do know that he can no longer teach English to immigrants in Ontario because he once gave a speech beside David Duke, grrr.
Anti-Racist Canada, and its affiliates, have all the skinny on which haters to officially hate.
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| Posted: 09/ 08/ 09 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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Ten policemen are needed to apprehend a silly young girl because she wrote stupid things that offended Richard Warman?
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That was just one tip of the iceberg.
As Mark Fournier notes above, one doesn't have to agree with Paul Fromm on his politics, nor does one have to agree with Jessica Beaumont on hers, to be able to recognize that what we have done to this young girl was effectively rape her of her constitutional rights.
This story is absolutely disgusting.
Lemire was in a pitched battle. What the CHRC did to Lemire was wrong on so many levels. Lemire though, had the strength and where-with-all to fight back and protect himself. This little girl had nothing, no money, no knowledge, no lawyer, no support, and no help until the last when Fromm stood up. She faced a series of powerful people in positions of authority in our government, who ran completely rough shod over every sense of decency one might expect.
For this, we should be ashamed.
Jessica Beaumont should get back more than what Fromm has asked. She should be given her dignity back.
We can give Mahar Arar 10 mill to STFU and to assuage his loss of freedoms.
Her's must be worth at least the penalties she could ill afford to pay the loose pennies of interest accrued, plus a whole lot more, even if that is just a formal apology.
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Maikeru
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| Harry Abrams wrote: | | After I read the entire decision by the Ontario College of Teachers revoking his teaching license for conduct unbecoming....the bloom was off the rose. |
For me, reading that decision cast more cloud over the accusers, and the process they employed, than the subject before them.
It was most alike means and methods employed against Jews at other times.
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