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Posted: 07/ 21/ 09 7:01 pm Post subject: Harry Abrams joins the FD debate...

I guess Harry read our posts in which we suggested he join the debate. He is not comfortable posting here in person, so I'm posting his comments for him.

Let's see if we can have a civil debate about these important issues.

Posted: 07/ 21/ 09 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: Harry Abrams joins the FD debate...

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C'mon NB, Mr. Abrams is bing civil here. His comments are legit.

Mr. Abrams may indeed be very correct about

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Mazel Tov Harry

One trusts that you have read enough of the topics and opinions herein to realize that the discourse is generally quite courteous, even in hot-button topics which arouse passions considered too volatile for everyday public discussions.

When Mr. Topham posted to FreeDominion, he was invariably polite, courteous, and even humourous.

My own opinion is that Arthur is obsessed with theorizing about Zionism as a long-standing conspiratorial agenda.
His zeal is his own undoing, as he writes 10 words for every 3 needed, causing the reader to nod off - unless equally obsessed with the topic.

Individual points within Arthur's narrative are easy enough to debunk where warranted, but the sheer volume of queer theories on Jews one has to draw from makes it a tedious and unnecessary task.

He's better off trying to attract traffic to his own blog, and freeing up the FreeDominion desktop for other Canadians, favouring those who express 'Principled Conservatism' - which excludes constant anti-Jewish rhetoric but includes scathing criticism of Jews where due.

The jump from excluding a poster from an online discussion blog funded by our gracious hosts - to excluding a person from hosting their own blog, to post their own views, is vast.

Folks on FreeDominion have learned more about CHRC/T and Sec 13 issues than most Canadians due the 'legal thing' going on with Mr. Warman.

Alongside that, most folks on FreeDominion who have followed these topics are informed of your party to the BCHRT Doug Collins hearings.

As those hearings are long over, and the Appeal squelched due Collin's death, I for one would welcome the opportunity of reading your views on the matter in a thread herein.
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Posted: 07/ 21/ 09 9:05 pm Post subject:

Received via email...Harry's reply to Maikeru:

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I can understand Mr. Abrams not wanting to discuss cases that are currently underway. Perhaps Mr. Abrams will enlighten us with his views on the CHRCH's decision not to proceed with the complaint filed by Marc Lebuis against Salafi Imam of Montreal, Abou Hammaad Sulaiman Dameus Al-Hayiti.

The iman's comments are posted here by Lebuis, along with the decision by the Commission, where the Commish wrote:

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“ ...the majority of the references in “Islam or Fundamentalism” are to “infidels”, “miscreants” or “western women”. These are general, broad and diversified categories that do not constitute an “identifiable group” under Section 13 of the Act. As we have also mentioned, the extracts that identify groups on the basis of prohibited grounds of discrimination (homosexuals, lesbians, Christians, Jews) do not seem to promote “hatred” or “contempt” according to the criteria set forth in the Taylor case. Therefore, the document on which the complaint is based does not seem to meet the requirements of Section 13 of the Act for a complaint.”

And perhaps Mr. Abrams can speak to the question why he and B'nai Brith did not join Lebuis as co-complainants?

My question would be - is the sauce for the goose not good enough for the gander?
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Posted: 07/ 22/ 09 1:23 am Post subject:

Harry I am pleased to communicate with you even if it is a little odd under this current arrangement.

Harry can you not understand our concerns with the CHRC and the Tribunal? They are zealots and out of control, they have concentrated their efforts on conservatives and Christians because of the views of these two groups. When did the Canadian people give these ideological zealots the authority to police our speech? Never that is when!

Some teenager in mom's basement who thinks being a skin head and being antisemitic is cool does not scare us but the state having the authority to rule over our words does and should scare you to.

When people write words expressing opinions that we all find vile even in publications that reach lots of Canadians, there are thousands of us to repudiate what they write. And that is how a free and democratic society must operate, not have little lords with all their own prejudices rule over the very words we use to express our thoughts. The Charter of Rights is meaningless with these kangaroo courts and people like the lawyer who shall not be named.

When ever has the words of an individual who is antisemitic brought harm to the Jewish people in a free and democratic nation? History has shown it is the state that controls the freedoms of it's people like they were privileges from superiors that have brought harm time after time to the Jewish people and others. That is the danger here, a state that can decide any group is unfavorable. Are you sure they won't find Jews unfavorable in the future? Consider who they are and what end of the political spectrum they all belong to, Harry. Is it not the left that speaks hate against Jews and Israel and sides with the enemies of the Jewish people?

So here I am a Christian and I feel the persecution today from a state agency, persecution that your people have felt because we are both a people of deeply held values and morals. You are aware they ordered a Christian Pastor to never speak on the subject of homosexuality again, aren't you Harry? The bible and words right from the Torah are now hate speech in Canada. People can disagree on these words, not even God forces His ways on anyone, but to outlaw Words of God, that is a sign of what is coming I think. It is their views and valves that are being forced on us by the strong arm of the state, our views are not forced on anyone but the Charter says we have the right to speak our views, yet we don't have the right any more do we, Harry?

How is it Harry you support and use this political court that has refused more than once to follow through on a complaint against Islamic extremists in our country? You know of the incidents of which I speak. Real hate that promotes violence against Jews and yet because it is politically incorrect to proceed against Muslims by these politically correct little lords these complaints are dropped.

How can you support a court that has no rules? They make them up as they precede because they have already determined the outcome they desire. Truth is no defense and you are ok with that, Harry? No penalty to the complainant if they should lose yet huge costs for the defendant. The defendants are punished before the ruling is even rendered. How can you support that? How can you not speak out against that? Their pattern is go after the weak and poor. They fold against anyone who has the ability to fight them. Why? Because they are thugs and cowards. They only care about furthering their vision of a strong arm state to the point we all speak like they do. Fear is their weapon and they wield it with expertise. They are not going to change the values and views of anyone, they can only create a fantasy land based on fear, the fear to say what you believe. Is this the Canada you want Harry? If it is Harry, you and I are enemies and I will fight (not with violence or evil acts) all who want to take us down this road.

We have criminal courts and a Hate Crimes laws in Canada, where defendants can actually be found innocent because there are rules and law that have to be followed. We do not need these most dangerous and vile courts of thugs ruling over our once free nation. There is no Nazis threat in this country, only a few kooks and angry little men who spout off and you and I should continue to repudiate them. The fact is most of those spouting off hatred against Jews in Canada, are agents of the CHRC and CSIS and then there is the politically left and Islamists, that the CHRC won't touch. The Commissions and Tribunals have not accomplished one thing to end hate or make the world safer for Jews or anyone else but they have brought hate, fear and division to this great land of ours like we have never seen. This is a wedge between friends with common values. What friends? Jews and Christians. And it is growing and that bothers me more than anything. My close Jewish friends know this is heavy on my heart. It is going to tear us apart and that may be exactly what is behind this and has been since the beginning.

Harry I feel like a Jew now. In the sense that Jews have feared the state because who they are and what they believe. That is the shoes I walk in today because of this political court you have helped build Harry.

May God keep Israel and all Jewish people safe forever.

Shalom Harry.

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