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Posted: 07/ 05/ 09 7:07 am Post subject: Muslim Women in Canal

Muslim Women in Canal

Friday, July 3, 2009

Besides the unlikely fact four women are dead in the Rideau canal, there is this fact, they were all Muslims.

Kingston police identified 19-year-old Zainab Shafia, 17-year-old Sahar Shafia and 13-year-old Geeti Shafia as the sisters who were found in the vehicle. The body of their aunt, Rona Amir Mohammed, 50, was also retrieved from the vehicle. All four victims were from St-Leonard, a borough in Montreal.

Well, if this were the case. Don't you suppose a worried mother would have contacted the police when none of her children, or her sister, returned to the motel? Is this story even vaguely likely? The National Post says the first diver on the scene says the car went into the water backward. The Toronto Star says the parents noticed their children were missing the next morning. Now I ask you; three children aren't home at 1:00; 2:00; 3:00 AM. Hello! They're trying to make this sound reasonable, but it won't wash. The last line in the story doesn't make sense either:

What does this mean? I have no idea. According to the Montreal Gazette, the mother of the three girls, Tooba Mohammad Yahya, said she thinks her eldest daughter was practicing driving. Why she would be doing this at three o'clock in the morning is unclear. Here's the way the Gazette describes her explanation.

Several family members were returning from a vacation in Niagara Falls and had stopped for the night in Kingston before returning to their home in the Montreal suburb of St-Leonard. All four victims went missing sometime Tuesday and the car was discovered in the canal later that day.

Yahya said at some point during their stay in the eastern Ontario city, her daughters and their aunt knocked on her motel door and asked for permission to drive the Nissan around.

The car was found Tuesday morning after a Parks Canada worker saw a slick of oil on the water. A Navy diver who happened to be on the scene reportedly said there were major dents in the drivers' side of the car.

Major dents?

Frank Hilliard
http://mesopotamiawest.blogspot.com/2009/07/muslim-women-in-canal.html
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Posted: 07/ 05/ 09 7:12 am Post subject:

Zainab 19,
Sahar, 17, and Geeti Shafee, 13

Yahya and her husband, Mohammed Shafee, said their eldest daughter wanted to practise driving, although she didn't have a licence.

Yahya said five minutes after the family arrived at the motel, late Monday night or early Tuesday, her three daughters and their aunt, who were in another room, all came knocking on the door of her room. Her daughter, Zainab, asked Yahya for the key to the car, saying she needed to get her clothes out.

"After that, I don't know what happened. I went to sleep," Yahya said. "I was very sleepy, very tired from a four-hour drive."

Montreal Gazette
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Posted: 07/ 05/ 09 7:17 am Post subject:

How it happened: A video theory of 4 canal deaths

How could it happen? How could a car carrying three teenage sisters and their 50-year-old aunt negotiate a precarious grassy approach of rocks, tables, stoneworks and steel structures – all in the dead of night in a dimly lit spot – and then plunge, apparently backwards, into three-metre deep water off a stone ledge?

The question remains unanswered, four days after the bodies of Zainab Shafia, 19, Sahar Shafia, 17, Geeti Shafia, 13, and Rona Amir Mohammed, 50, were pulled out of a black Nissan Sentra found submerged at Kingston Mills (map), the southernmost lockstation in the 200-kilometre long Rideau Canal, at Kingston, Ontario. Police are calling the circumstances "suspicious" but say there is no evidence, yet, of foul play. The question of how has vexed investigators. The location where it appears the car entered the water is a veritable obstacle course of grassy inclines, rock outcrops and lock structures. There was no visible damage to anything in the area to suggest a car, perhaps out of control, perhaps driven too fast, had crashed into the water. To appreciate the puzzling questions raised by the geography, you really need to visit the spot. I've been to the area several times in the past week to do interviews, but also to study the stone ledges, the grassy expanse next to the locks and the road that curves around this 177-year-old engineering marvel. I've developed my own theory about the likely path followed by the car on that fateful night. The video above walks you along the route.

see the video at the source link below:
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Posted: 07/ 05/ 09 7:20 am Post subject:

Photoshopped the photo above to show precisely where the car was found.
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Posted: 07/ 05/ 09 7:23 am Post subject:

Did one of them forget to cover their forehead while in public causing the family such shame as to have them murdered?
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Posted: 07/ 05/ 09 7:32 am Post subject:

To question the story or be suspicious is racism pure and simple. Just believe the infantile story and feel terrible about the "accident". Remember we must be culturally sensitive. TRT we musn't jump to conclusions. Honour killings come under the category of cultural diversity and requires sensitivity and understanding. It's in the Manual For Liberals page 273.

Posted: 07/ 05/ 09 7:33 am Post subject:

This is an unusual spot for a car to go into the water accidentally, and witnesses say there's very little damage to the stonework and no damage to structures around the edge where the car must have gone in. The road that passes by the locks, Kingston Mills, does not lead directly into the water. A car would have to make a 90 degree turn off Kingston Mills Road and head north along the edge of the lock wall for roughly 20 or 30 metres to fall into the water at the spot where this car was found.
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Posted: 07/ 05/ 09 7:33 am Post subject:

KINGSTON -- Kingston Police are reviewing surveillance video from two gas bars roughly 1.5 km from the spot where three teenage girls and a woman from Quebec were found dead in a submerged car in Kingston Mills.

Investigators visited the gas bars on Hwy. 15 Tuesday afternoon, the day the black Nissan Sentra was discovered and pulled from the water at the Kingston Mills locks.

Sun Media has also learned that Kingston Police have interviewed a canal worker who reported seeing two young French-speaking women who were drinking near the upper lock at Kingston Mills early Monday.

Police have not released names, but have said the girls, aged 13, 17 and 19, were sisters and the 50-year-old woman is a relative.

Montreal police say they're looking in Saint-Leonard, a borough on the east of the island, for another car that may be connected.

According to le Journal de Montreal, Kingston Police have been in Montreal and located a silver Lexus whose occupants were in contact with the victims before they died.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/07/03/10010591-sun.html
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Posted: 07/ 05/ 09 7:38 am Post subject:

A witness on a houseboat moored north of the locks said he heard a banging sound come from the dock early Tuesday morning. He didn't specify what time he heard the noise and declined to give his name.

John Moore, a member of the Canadian navy, was on a four-day camping and boating trip through the locks with his 13-year-old son, Liam, and a friend.

They had stayed overnight Monday on Cedar Island and were heading home to Manotick, a small community on the Rideau just south of Ottawa, Tuesday morning.

Moore said their boat, a small aluminum craft loaded with camping gear, was halfway through the second lock when canal workers spotted the submerged car.

"They indicated that they wouldn't be able to lock us through," Moore said in an interview at the dock, where his boat was tied up Tuesday below the first lock.

The car was in the water close to the east side of the lock wall, with the car's front end pointed out toward Colonel By Lake. It was close enough to the lock doors to prevent them from being opened.

Moore, 53, is a scuba diver and had his gear with him.

"I volunteered to check it out for (police), at least so they could get a licence plate number or something," Moore told the Whig-Standard.

He put on his gear and descended into the murky water.

"It looked like it was two young women," Moore said. He said he had never seen bodies underwater before and found the scene "sad."

One of the woman he saw was in the front seat, the other in the back. The back seat occupant was not a child, he said.

Moore said because the visibility was so poor, he could only make out that the woman in the front seat was wearing jeans.

"Her feet were down and her back is arched ... the dead's man's float," he said. "She had removed her seatbelt, if she had been belted in."

Moore was puzzled by the scene around the edge of the lock where the car must have entered the water.

There were only a few marks on the stone edge.

"It's a total freak accident because there was no damage to the lock works," he said. "It looked like an accident but it's totally hard to read it."

http://www.nugget.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1638416
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Posted: 07/ 05/ 09 7:44 am Post subject:

The car was in about three metres of water, its taillights against the lock gate, he said.

There were "several fresh major dents and scrapes" on the driver's side of the car, and the driver's-side window appeared to be rolled down, Moore said.

Ottawa Citizen
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Posted: 07/ 05/ 09 7:45 am Post subject:

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Posted: 07/ 05/ 09 7:51 am Post subject:

Police tape surrounds a crime scene northeast of Kingston, Ont., after four bodies were found in a submerged car on Tuesday, June 30, 2009.
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Posted: 07/ 05/ 09 8:13 am Post subject:

Logically, there is no current as the locks were closed. There was the first set of divers that went down and not all were buckled in thus only seeing 2 in the car. There are guard rails around the area and the investigation is trying to determine exactly HOW the vehicle got into the water as there was nothing visibly disturbed including absolutely NO tire marks on the grass that lines the bridge. The bridge itself only allows one car to cross at a time, so it would be impossible for the car to have been 'dumped' by a tow truck and end up in that position with so little damage. Hope that clears up a little of the confusion.

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Living only 5 kms from the locks, it is definitely VERY strange. The car would have had to break through the park gate, travel over a very rocky area, break down barrier posts and then land in the water quite some distance from the road. And from what I have read and seen, there doesnt seem to be any physical damage to the barriers. And looking at the pictures of the car, there is no apparent damage. Even stranger is what were they doing up there at night when they were strangers to the area. It is not exactly the easiest place to find if you are a stranger. And for not one of them to escape the car, given that they would have been alerted to the fact that something was wrong by hitting the barriers, rough rocks, barrier posts really makes it all seem that more implausible.

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Are investigators assuming the car entered the lock right where it was found? A google earth view of the area reveals that the car could have easily entered the water just northeast (around the corner) from the lock and then floated with the current to were it was found.

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I go fishing in that exact spot regularly. There's no way it was an accident. There's about two natural barriers and three man-made barriers, preventing anything larger then a bicycle from going in the water accidentally. If a car did somehow end up where it did, it would be because it careened off the side of the road and/or bridge over the locks at a high speed, and rolled. The lack of visible damage to both the car, and the locks, seems to rule this out. Coupled with the fact that four people were unable to exit the vehicle before it became fully submerged, leads me to conclude that foul play is the only possible scenario.

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I rock climb at Kingston Mills and was by there Sunday. Wow, rather difficult to even enter the water where the car was. Would not be surpised if there is foul play of some sort.

The road is such that you have to go slow to negotiate a bridge and curves, yet there is no way you could leave the road and just end up in the water without a lot of extra effort.

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I completely agree with harryinkingston. Although I live in Calgary now, I lived just east of Kingston Mills on Hwy 15 for close to 20 years, and travelled across the locks system almost daily to avoid the 401 (less so in the summer when you'd be playing some pretty steep odds that the locks would actually be letting boats through at that time - an easy hour delay). Unless you've been there and seen Kingston Mills locks, you'd have a hard time grasping just how mathematically improbable it would be for a car to accidentally end up where it is, especially in light of the fact that there were no tire tracks, skid marks, or other evidence to suggest a car had travelled this particular route. It may be pure speculation, but I don't think this was an accidental at all. Somebody intentionally put that car where it ended up. Why they would put it into the locks instead of out into the open Rideau Canal, which is far easier to access and would probably hide a car far better/longer, is beyond me.

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I have kayaked the Rideau system and know it well. The only way to get a car into any of the locks at Kingston Mills is to either crash through the turn bridge or barriers or drive across the lawn from the parking lot. Considering that the staff did not notice any damage prior to finding the car then it must have been the latter.

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JayfromHamilton: Could someone who is familiar with this area explain to us what this area looks like? Is there a road that runs beside the locks and perhaps the car just missed a turn or something? Is it a locked up area where a car could not have accidentally gotten into?

I used to live in the area. In this particular area the water is close to the road. I've zoomed in on the area in Google Maps for you:

http://maps.google.ca/maps?g=kingston+mills&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=44.292962,-76.442673&spn=0.003663,0.008245&t=k&z=18

They said the car was blocking the upper lock door which is the ^ shape north of the bridge. They open in the direction of the point. As you can see, that's about 25m from where the road turns into bridge which is about the only thing that has enough barricade to stop a moving vehicle in that area. They went a ways to get there.
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There is always evidence, the car weight at least 500 kilos, as such there has to be tracks leading up to the edge of the canal. Police can look for a second set of tracks to verify if the car was pushed into the canal, paint from the car should be examined if there was any transfer from a second vehicle, further and evidence that the women tried to exit the car. Panicking would leave makes on door handles, etc,…. Further were the girls sit in their seat belts, was the car ignition still in the ‘on’ position?

CBC Canada comments
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Posted: 07/ 05/ 09 8:16 am Post subject:

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