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 HaileyJoined: 03 Jul 2004 Total posts: 19656 Location: Edmonton Gender: Female
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 Posted: 12/ 20/ 08 4:01 pm Post subject: 7 students suspended for refusing anti-Christian class |
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Seven Christian students in Quebec have been handed suspensions in the last few days – and could face expulsions – for refusing to participate in a new mandatory Ethics and Religious Culture course that, according to a critic, is a "superficial mishmash of trendy theoretical platitudes" with the goal of convincing children that "all religions – including pagan animism and cults – are equally 'true.'"
Canada's National Post has reported on the developing confrontation between educators who have ordered students to take the course and students and their parents who object to what they see as a virtual indoctrination into a social and moral relativism.
While seven students already have been targeted for punishment, hundreds more are demanding to be relieved of the obligation to attend the classes, and several parents have begun legal actions over the course.
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=84064 |
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 Felix Culpa
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| Posted: 12/ 20/ 08 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Good for them!
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| Eddy Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Total posts: 1548 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 12/ 20/ 08 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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I'm curious what the government of Quebec will do. The course is obligatory even for home-schooled kids. Will they physically force them to sit and learn the material? And what if they (or any student) fails the course? Will they be denied a high school diploma?
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BlawBlaw
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| Posted: 12/ 20/ 08 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| I think that people should have an understanding of what other people belive and why, but I don't trust bureaucrats or notoriously left-leaning public school teachers to deal with the issue in an even-handed manner. |
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GregCBU
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| Posted: 12/ 20/ 08 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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Most of these students probably aren't offended by the course material. They just want a way to get out of class.
That being said, does religion of any kind really have to be taught in schools (public, non religious schools that is)? |
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Peter O'Donnell
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| Posted: 12/ 20/ 08 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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Where's the political leadership in this country?
Any conservative leader worth his salt would find an opportunity to get involved in this debate and speak up for freedom of thought. Canadian society has become a hostage to groupthink over the past few decades. We have the same problem in B.C., of course, with the provincial mania for re-educating students to "tolerate the diversity" of the gay lifestyle.
I guess now we have the economic crisis as an excuse for no moral leadership in Canada, but this is what they pay our leaders to do, and they should take a 50% pay cut if they only want to do the economic half of the job. |
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Darski
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| Posted: 12/ 20/ 08 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| GregCBU wrote: | Most of these students probably aren't offended by the course material. They just want a way to get out of class.
That being said, does religion of any kind really have to be taught in schools (public, non religious schools that is)? |
Yes. the secular humanists have to teach their "One Right Way" and to do that they need the opportunity to degrade any belief system but their own atheistic SH.
The funny thing is that they are now getting what they want. We have a generation of young people who are completely godless. They get to engage in beatings, killings and death as a spectator sport. That is the society Quebec is aiming to achieve. They have a long history of loving murder and murderers.
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| Eddy Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Total posts: 1548 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 12/ 20/ 08 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Peter O'Donnell wrote: | Where's the political leadership in this country?
Any conservative leader worth his salt would find an opportunity to get involved in this debate and speak up for freedom of thought. Canadian society has become a hostage to groupthink over the past few decades. We have the same problem in B.C., of course, with the provincial mania for re-educating students to "tolerate the diversity" of the gay lifestyle.
I guess now we have the economic crisis as an excuse for no moral leadership in Canada, but this is what they pay our leaders to do, and they should take a 50% pay cut if they only want to do the economic half of the job. |
Mario Dumont tried, but in an ineffective and confrontational way. Ineffective since he knew he would do badly in the election, and confrontational since he knew the LPQ and the teachers' association were for it.
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| Eddy Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Total posts: 1548 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 12/ 20/ 08 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| GregCBU wrote: | Most of these students probably aren't offended by the course material. They just want a way to get out of class.
That being said, does religion of any kind really have to be taught in schools (public, non religious schools that is)? |
I think it is useful to know what motivates (e.g.) a billion or so Muslims. It is also good to know your history. There are ways a course on this material could be taught that would be useful to help students understand the world around them: the government's way is not one of them.
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Felix Culpa
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| Posted: 12/ 20/ 08 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| BlawBlaw wrote: | | I think that people should have an understanding of what other people belive and why, but I don't trust bureaucrats or notoriously left-leaning public school teachers to deal with the issue in an even-handed manner. |
'zactly. |
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Kate Shaw
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| Posted: 12/ 22/ 08 7:50 am Post subject: |
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My kids would not attend these classes. I would move out of Quebec regardless of the cost, to make sure they did not.
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Felix Culpa
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| Posted: 12/ 22/ 08 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| Kate Shaw wrote: | | My kids would not attend these classes. I would move out of Quebec regardless of the cost, to make sure they did not. |
Likewise. |
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nickjbor
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Looks like it's going to be a fight.
In this case, the government is f***ing insane.
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T.G.
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| Stand up to fascism and indoctrination. |
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| redtoryrascal Joined: 26 May 2005 Total posts: 718 Location: Northern BC Gender: Male
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| Posted: 12/ 22/ 08 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm.... Access to course materials on the LEARN site is restricted.
Students are no longer allowed to self-identify as 'Catholic', 'Protestant' or 'moral' by law. How about 'Islamic' or 'Jewish'? is that also illegal?
13 pages devoted to 'Christian' and 27 pages devoted to 'feminism' - which makes me assume that 'bisexual wiccan witch' is perfectly legal. |
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