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 Please Free Canada
Joined: 06 Jan 2004 Total posts: 1362 Location: Alberta Gender: Unknown
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 Posted: 12/ 02/ 08 9:58 pm Post subject: Crack in Coalition - 15 Liberals may sit as independents |
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| Quote: | | Finally, a sign of sanity. Better late than never. A first serious sign of leadership from the presumptive leader-in-waiting. Senior Ignatieff insiders are tantalizingly whispering to Bourque that the Toronto MP is having grave doubts about supporting the shocking Dion coalition bid, now labelled by many as the "Separatist Coalition", given the defining support it has from both the BQ's Gilles Duceppe and former PQ Premier Jacques Parizeau. One longtime senior Ignatieff backer, under condition of anonymity, confided that "Michael is in a tenuous situation and he is feeling a lot of heat from caucus colleagues and constituents alike. Frankly, we think we got snookered by Bob Rae on this one". It nets out to this, according to this longtime Liberal and echoed by many other key backroom players: ordinary Liberals across the country, the card-carrying bbq-ing door-knocking envelope-stuffing phone-banking kind who make up the backbone of the party and who would need to be counted on to support his leadership aspirations, are vehemently rejecting the Dion argument that a deal with the separatist Bloc Quebecois is in the best interests of Canada. "Bullshit", said one Liberal power-broker, who was quick to point out Dion is tilting at Liberal history for the sake of a short stint at 24 Sussex. "Dion is nuts", he told Bourque, "I am ashamed he is leading the party of Laurier, Pearson, Trudeau, and Chretien - my God, Chretien, the guy who poured out his federalist heart against Rene Levesque's country-killing forces so long ago - I am ashamed Dion is selling us out." He and the others are right, of course. Add to that a comment from one of Canada's leading media personalities, who told Bourque this evening that "the Liberals can never again say that they are the guardians of National Unity". He has a sobering point, unfortunately. Ignatieff, in turn, would be right to heed the growing chorus of advice from his own braintrust and to distance himself from this embarrassing marriage of expedience fueled by nothing more than the personal egos and ambitions of a relatively few desperate 'inside-the-beltway' political personalities, both elected and otherwise, the 'chip-on-their-shoulders' type who can't see beyond their disdain for Harper. In short, no act of clarity whatsoever ...... UPDATE 1:Meanwhile, former Lib MP & Deputy PM John Manley is also now distancing himself from Dion's unholy alliance, telling a G&M confcall that his inclusion in Dion's wise men sounding board is news to him. "I havent agreed to do anything", he said ...... UPDATE 2: Insiders are telling Bourque late this evening that "at least 15 opposition members are ready to break ranks and, if necessary, sit as independents. This group includes Dryden, Tonks, Bevilacqua (from Grits) and Angus (NDP)". Bourque is also hearing that "at least three Bloc members are considering same course of action and there maybe at least two Tories thinking of going the other way (as independents) - Michael 'Cheech' Chong and backbencher Lee Richardson." Developing ... |
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| gojetsgo Joined: 15 Apr 2004 Total posts: 38 Location: Winnipeg, MB Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 12/ 02/ 08 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: Crack in Coalition - 15 Liberals may sit as independents |
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| Please Free Canada wrote: | | Quote: | | "Dion is nuts", he told Bourque, "I am ashamed he is leading the party of Laurier, Pearson, Trudeau, and Chretien - my God, Chretien, the guy who poured out his federalist heart against Rene Levesque's country-killing forces so long ago - I am ashamed Dion is selling us out." |
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Um, didn't Chretien help broker this unholy alliance? He's as much of a sellout as Dion. |
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| Smart Torontonian Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Total posts: 556 Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 12/ 02/ 08 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Hmm... this would kill the coalition... |
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NorthOf45
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| Posted: 12/ 02/ 08 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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What a treat it would be to see the LPC implode and ruin the NDP's only chance at power.
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| Heartofsong83 Joined: 29 Apr 2005 Total posts: 13384 Location: Up in the woods... Age: 26 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 12/ 02/ 08 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| 15 + 143 = 158, enough to kill the coalition. I am sure that number will rise as Liberal and NDP MP's respond to constituents. We need to reach out to even those on Rabble that may think this is a bad idea. |
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| New Canadian Joined: 27 May 2007 Total posts: 167 Location: Toronto Age: 28 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 12/ 02/ 08 10:12 pm Post subject: Re: Crack in Coalition - 15 Liberals may sit as independents |
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| gojetsgo wrote: | | Please Free Canada wrote: | | Quote: | | "Dion is nuts", he told Bourque, "I am ashamed he is leading the party of Laurier, Pearson, Trudeau, and Chretien - my God, Chretien, the guy who poured out his federalist heart against Rene Levesque's country-killing forces so long ago - I am ashamed Dion is selling us out." |
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Um, didn't Chretien help broker this unholy alliance? He's as much of a sellout as Dion. |
Exactly, this "power broker" seems ill informed.
I'll believe it when I see it. |
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| Posted: 12/ 02/ 08 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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see Duffy
http://watch.ctv.ca/news/mike-duffy-live/tuesday-dec-2/#clip118012
he alludes to the same thing
he has Assadorian on (ex LPC MP Toronto) - listen to him as well
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Fabulous Fred
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| Posted: 12/ 02/ 08 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Those who opt out are doing it not for noble but for selfish reasons. They want to keep their seats.
I believe that they are shocked at the anger and outrage they are seeing.
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| Dacre Joined: 17 Dec 2003 Total posts: 10247 Location: Niagara Peninsula Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 12/ 02/ 08 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Many of these MP's are thinking about their futures. They have seen the backlash in their emails and phone calls and decided maybe to cool it. |
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| doggedlyright Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 12/ 02/ 08 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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This battle between IGGY and Swiggy (Rae) is a continued fight between Chretien and Martin. Iggy is backed by the Martin team and Rae by Chret and the Power Corp boys.
Just think what would it be like in March and April after a few months of Dion he would be suggesting that why get rid of me since I am doing so well as PM. The Power Corp and Rae boys will go for an extension for DION as PM which gives them more time to out flank IGGY. Dion will be given some directorships and a senate seat or head of a university.
Iggy and his advisors have finally figured out that they are being snookered.
Once again, not about the people but about getting power so they can be at the head of the line at the trough of the public taxpayer |
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T.G.
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| Posted: 12/ 02/ 08 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| doggedlyright wrote: | | This battle between IGGY and Swiggy (Rae) is a continued fight between Chretien and Martin. Iggy is backed by the Martin team and Rae by Chret and the Power Corp boys. |
Demarais/Power Corp. are EVERYWHERE. Who elected them to have such an influence over Canadian politics?? |
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| Salty Bob Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 12/ 02/ 08 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry but Bourque's bonafides are questionable at best |
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| Smart Torontonian Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Total posts: 556 Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 12/ 02/ 08 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Wonder how true this is, but I have seen no evidence of wide support for this coalition. Hell I just saw a former MP on CTV going on about how diehard Liberals are against this. |
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Dogpatch
Joined: 22 Jul 2007 Total posts: 3061 Location: Maniwaki, Québec Gender: Male
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| Posted: 12/ 02/ 08 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Iggy is now backtracking according to borque |
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Peter O'Donnell
Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Total posts: 9072 Location: BC Age: 61 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 12/ 02/ 08 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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Told ya, some of these Ontario Libs are not that au courant with western Canadian politics, they were probably quite surprised to learn how violently unpopular the coalition is even in friendly parts of BC, not to mention the CPC stronghold areas.
Once they get over the shock of realizing how close to breaking up the country they came, they may think of a bunch of reasons to forget all about this crazy idea, and the only sound will be rats hitting the water, one by one.
Dion will probably end up in a madhouse.
And May should never see the inside of the Senate either, that is a major scandal to suggest such a crazy idea, our parliament is not some freak show. |
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