View topic - Rabble.ca: A Microcosm of Left-Wing Narrow-Mindedness :: Free Dominion - Principled Conservative - Party and Canadian Politics

After an amusing two-hour debate in the wee hours of this morning, I gained the proud distinction of being banned from ‘Babble,’ a division of Rabble.ca, and one of Canada’s leading “progressive” internet forums.

Although I fully expected Babble to ban me at some point in time (let’s just say my posts there haven’t had the best or receptions), I was quite surprised at the culture of extreme narrow-mindedness and intolerance for any diversity of opinion that is exhibited in their so called “anti-racism” forum.

The site’s policy statement says that “babble is NOT intended as a place where the basic and essential values of human rights, feminism, anti-racism, and labour rights are to be debated or refought. Members that join babble who indicate intentions to challenge these rights and principles may be seen as disruptive to the nature of the forum. Such members may be warned, have their accounts suspended, or banned altogether.”

A little restrictive, but fair enough, I thought. I don’t consider myself a racist, and have no desire to debate or re-fight the value of anti-racism or human rights (well... maybe human rights legislation, but that's a different issue). I do, however, have a significant ethical problem with the concept of “affirmative action” programs, which I see as morally equivalent to institutionalized racism, and definitely well within the range of constructive criticism, even on a “progressive” discussion board.

Seeing that Babble members unanimously supported such programs in the name of “anti-racism,” I carefully outlined my position, presenting them with a quick hypothetical scenario demonstrating the inherent hypocrisy and unintended consequences of affirmative action. (Although I used university admissions as an example, my argument applies to all forms of reverse discrimination, including employment quotas, race-based fishing rights, etc.)

My post generated a firestorm of replies, primarily ad hominem attacks accusing me of being self-interested, “bitter,” “racist,” and in violation of the forum rules (which I patiently pointed out that I was not). Several Babble members even took it upon themselves to sift through all of my blog entries over the past year or so, trying to deflect attention onto various articles I’d written about mandatory union membership, veiled voting, and other topics. (What can I say but thanks for the links, guys. Wink

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What nobody provided was logical rebuttal of my argument that affirmative action is morally equivalent to racism. The closest anyone came was claiming that that racism was/is systemic and demands systemic solutions (which is a purely pragmatic argument, based on the assumption that the ends always justify the means – not a rebuttal of my position).

As soon as the ‘Babblers’ realized they had lost the debate, one of them claimed that the “phoney lying hypocritical pretense of ‘equal treatment’ breaks down very quickly when confronted with people who are of a different colour, gender, and cultural background than you,” then went on to inform me that ideas like mine (i.e. supporting ‘equal treatment’) have “no place in a civilized society,” after which I was promptly banned from the forum.

Of course, Babble enjoys the same property rights as any other website (no thanks to their hard core pro-socialist and anti-freedom agenda), and can ban anyone they like. I’m not complaining about that.

Sadly, however, the narrow-minded attitudes exhibited by the various ‘Babblers’ in this scenario have become hallmarks of the Canadian left, which is not open to logical discussion but bows to politically correct orthodoxy every step of the way.

Those on the right (at least from what I can tell from reading FreeDominion and The Western Standard, as well as from personal experience) are far more open to honest, logical debate than their leftist counterparts. Even the most staunchly ideological conservatives (and classical liberals) tend to confront and criticize ideas they disagree with, and are often willing to agree to disagree once an issue has been hashed out.

Canada’s modern-day left-liberals and socialists, meanwhile, just condemn and censor opinions that they find inconvenient, then return to their make believe bubble of One World Ideology.

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Please Note: This is not meant to be a personal attack on the administrators of Rabble.ca, or the general membership of Babble. I am not trying to create hostility or bring about any kind of “board war” between FD and Babble. I am merely pointing to Babble as an example of left-wing thought in Canada today.
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Posted: 08/ 26/ 08 8:34 pm Post subject:

There is no such thing as reverse discrimination, there is only discrimination, however to sum up Affirmative Action the premise is that" two wrongs equals a right".

Even young children innately know better than that!
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Posted: 08/ 26/ 08 8:51 pm Post subject:

Leftists are not what they claim to be. The double standards and hypocrisy are legend. It's a bunch of Utopian nonsense they spew that has little relevance in the real world. That's why none of their policies work and what they implement is very destructive to civil society and defies reason. But people seem to think there is some intellectual superiority on the left. Another fraud. The people the left claim to care about the most are the ones that get hurt the most from their policies. It's been proven over and over again. Arguing with the mentally ill is really a waste of time.

Posted: 08/ 26/ 08 9:22 pm Post subject:

Rabble.ca: A Microcosm of Left-Wing Narrow-Mindedness
No shit, really? Rolling Eyes

It took you two hours to figure this out?

Several thousand of us conservatives could have saved you the time and aggravation and told you that before you started.

Rabble.ca=Brownshirts.

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Posted: 08/ 27/ 08 9:49 am Post subject:

Why is it that everytime someone gets banned from Rabble FD is blessed with a thread with hopes of a board war.

Time to move on
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Posted: 08/ 27/ 08 11:17 am Post subject:

Jeremy, I believe you handled yourself brilliantly with the socialists at babble.

I'm not trying to help incite a board war (I'm slightly above newbie) but how does one incite a "board war"?

I looked up the term "babble" and what it means is interesting.

From Cambridge Advanced Dictionary:
babble (TALK) Show phonetics
verb [I or T]
to talk or say something in a quick, confused, excited or foolish way

I would think that would explain the members of babble and their lack of proper discourse.

Posted: 08/ 27/ 08 1:32 pm Post subject:

Rights are simply artificial human constructs. David Warren once said it so well: the same bodies that have the power to bestow rights as they arbitrarily see fit can arbitrarily remove rights as they see fit, too.

Posted: 08/ 27/ 08 4:47 pm Post subject:

I to was banned from" babble" a long time ago , as well "enMasse", and in your post where you state that when they are losing the debate, they all collectively attack you with gutter language, horrendous accusations, and total BS. Quickly after you have come to this point in the debate, you are summarily banned. All left wing boards are the same. To them there is only one truth, and that is the truth that is espoused by the collective. In regards to right leaning boards, I to have found that they are much more democratic, and willing to debate the issues, and as far as I know very rarely have they banned someone, for voicing their opinion.
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Posted: 08/ 27/ 08 4:51 pm Post subject:

Ah, such wonderful memories, the short but eventful career of L. Lennodo-Retep, who might have been a Bulgarian socialist about to share his (?) views on the glories of progress with the masses, but instead, turned out to be moi asking the bourgeoisie to step back and consider their creation as a vast criminal conspiracy.

That lasted about as long as a Jamaican relay.

Posted: 08/ 27/ 08 6:00 pm Post subject: Bubba Ho-tep

re: Peter O'Donnell - 27Aug2008, 15:51

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