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 Posted: 08/ 19/ 08 11:07 pm Post subject: Birth Rates Continue to Plunge: US Census Bureau |
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| Quote: | WASHINGTON, August 19, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The percentage of childless women who have reached the end of their child-bearing years in the United States has doubled from 10% to 20% in the last 30 years, reported the US Census Bureau on Monday.The survey also found that, “Women 40 to 44 years old will end their childbearing years with an average of 1.9 children each, a number below replacement-level fertility.” This is markedly fewer children than in 1976, when 3.1 children was the national average.
36% of the women who gave birth in 2006 were separated, widowed, divorced or never married. Five percent were living with a partner.
The survey also revealed that most women who go on to post-secondary education wait until they are between 30 and 34 to have children. 27% of those women with undergraduate degrees and upwards are childless.
Only the Hispanic and Black populations in the US are replacing themselves with an average of 2.3 and 2.0 children born per woman respectively, making them the only stabilizing force in the American population. At this rate, experts say, whites will be the minority in America by 2042.
Andrew Cherlin, a sociology professor at Johns Hopkins University whose specialties are family and public policy commented on the newly released numbers, observing that fewer children forebodes a future demographic crisis.
“It means that 25 years from now, there’ll be many elderly people who are childless and who may not have anybody to care for them,” he said.
In a 2006 message to the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences Pope Benedict XVI, whose own native land of Germany has seen massive declines in birthrates, remarked that children are too often looked upon in terms of their economic cost and not as gifts from God. This mentality, he says, is not only causing a decline in birth rates, but it is also detrimental to children already born.
“It is children and young people,” he said, “who are often the first to experience the consequences of this eclipse of love and hope.”
“Often, instead of feeling loved and cherished, they appear to be merely tolerated.”
It is not only the United States that is experiencing drastic population decline. Last year, surveys revealed that the Canadian birthrates have also hit an all time low, clocking in at an average of 1.5 children per woman, while the European Union’s statistics agency, Eurostat, has predicted an overall drop in Europe’s population of 7 million people by 2050. |
Many of the old people who introduced the culture of death to the West will be euthanized.
They don’t have any kids, and if they do, their kids (1 or 2) don’t give a damn about them. Check out the “long term care” facilities in this country. Ever been to one? I have. Not joyous places. That’s where they are going to put you when you’re old, Mr. Liberal.
And no one will come and visit you. Because all your kids have been butchered by an abortionist's knife or flushed down the toilet with a condom.
You didn’t give love during your time on this earth, and you’re likely not to receive it on the back end either- unless some kind Christian soul decides to pay you a visit from time to time.
So, tell me again, what was the purpose of your life?
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| Posted: 08/ 20/ 08 12:06 am Post subject: |
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The U.S. is in a much better position than Europe and Japan and Canada.
At 1.9 they are almost at replacement level and with immigration high the demographics of America will be sustainable indefinitely.
Nevertheless, the trend is a problem, but I suspect that another few generations (30-50 years) things will again start turning around as the consequence of fertility decline become too obvious to deny. |
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Felix Culpa
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| Posted: 08/ 20/ 08 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Hodgson wrote: | | Nevertheless, the trend is a problem, but I suspect that another few generations (30-50 years) things will again start turning around as the consequence of fertility decline become too obvious to deny. |
But in the meantime, pensions and social programs will become insupportable.
Health care, for example. Newborns with complications take up some health care resources, but pretty much between 5 and 45 you are not drawing on the health system very much. Rather, your taxes pay into the system. Bringing in adult immigrants means that many fewer years of paying into the system before you get old and sick and start drawing on the system.
Immigration can only help for a short time because birth rates are falling all over. And it is not as good as growing your own taxpayers at home, anyway.
About the only advantage I can see is that land will be a lot cheaper, if you want to buy a larger farm or a cottage property. Other than that, I can't see any advantage in a falling population. it will throw the world into a recession. |
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| Posted: 08/ 21/ 08 12:13 am Post subject: |
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| Felix Culpa wrote: | | Hodgson wrote: | | Nevertheless, the trend is a problem, but I suspect that another few generations (30-50 years) things will again start turning around as the consequence of fertility decline become too obvious to deny. |
But in the meantime, pensions and social programs will become insupportable.
Health care, for example. Newborns with complications take up some health care resources, but pretty much between 5 and 45 you are not drawing on the health system very much. Rather, your taxes pay into the system. Bringing in adult immigrants means that many fewer years of paying into the system before you get old and sick and start drawing on the system.
Immigration can only help for a short time because birth rates are falling all over. And it is not as good as growing your own taxpayers at home, anyway.
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That's exactly right. 30 year old immigrants are 15 years away before they start their draw on the health care system. We're already top heavy, when immigration starts to trickle off (as it will) because of the demographic implosion and rise of the third world economies, it will be disaster for us. The top heavy is going to bury us.
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OfficialPro
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| Posted: 08/ 21/ 08 1:50 am Post subject: |
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That's easy! THE GOVERNMENT will be there for you in your old age! [/sarcasm] Who needs children when one has a nice pension one worked for and a government to help out?
*cough*
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| Posted: 08/ 21/ 08 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| OfficialPro wrote: | That's easy! THE GOVERNMENT will be there for you in your old age! [/sarcasm] Who needs children when one has a nice pension one worked for and a government to help out?
*cough* |
There's a lot of liberals who are relying on their stash of cash to retire on. But what they don't realize is that children, if you raise them right, will be with you to help you even WHEN the economy (and the pensions) tanks.
The wailing and gnashing of teeth will be unprecendented in the West, and Canada in particular. It will be a sad sight.
The god of mammon and the State will not save them.
The only thing that most of them will be heading for is the State's needle to put them out of their misery.
That's what happens when you crap on Christianity. There's personal consequences.
Sex and religion were never private affairs. In a short time from now, liberals are going to learn that in the most painful way possible.
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| icemachine Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Total posts: 518 Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 08/ 21/ 08 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| Paycheck wrote: | | Felix Culpa wrote: | | Hodgson wrote: | | Nevertheless, the trend is a problem, but I suspect that another few generations (30-50 years) things will again start turning around as the consequence of fertility decline become too obvious to deny. |
But in the meantime, pensions and social programs will become insupportable.
Health care, for example. Newborns with complications take up some health care resources, but pretty much between 5 and 45 you are not drawing on the health system very much. Rather, your taxes pay into the system. Bringing in adult immigrants means that many fewer years of paying into the system before you get old and sick and start drawing on the system.
Immigration can only help for a short time because birth rates are falling all over. And it is not as good as growing your own taxpayers at home, anyway.
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That's exactly right. 30 year old immigrants are 15 years away before they start their draw on the health care system. We're already top heavy, when immigration starts to trickle off (as it will) because of the demographic implosion and rise of the third world economies, it will be disaster for us. The top heavy is going to bury us. |
30 year old economic immigrants start paying taxes right away. For the first 23 years of my life I doubt I paid more than about $10,000 in taxes, got back most of that in refunds, and certainly cost taxpayers far more than that in paying for my health and education. Over the last 5 years I've been paying back the system, but its probably only now that I'm near what I cost it.
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Kishka
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| Posted: 08/ 21/ 08 10:03 am Post subject: |
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| Paycheck wrote: | | OfficialPro wrote: | That's easy! THE GOVERNMENT will be there for you in your old age! [/sarcasm] Who needs children when one has a nice pension one worked for and a government to help out?
*cough* |
There's a lot of liberals who are relying on their stash of cash to retire on. But what they don't realize is that children, if you raise them right, will be with you to help you even WHEN the economy (and the pensions) tanks.
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So true. When my brother complains about child support and how much it costs, I remind him that at least he has a son. Someone to live on after him...unconditional love is the greatest payback there is. I would trade that for every earthly possession. |
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| Posted: 08/ 21/ 08 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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| icemachine wrote: | | Paycheck wrote: | | Felix Culpa wrote: | | Hodgson wrote: | | Nevertheless, the trend is a problem, but I suspect that another few generations (30-50 years) things will again start turning around as the consequence of fertility decline become too obvious to deny. |
But in the meantime, pensions and social programs will become insupportable.
Health care, for example. Newborns with complications take up some health care resources, but pretty much between 5 and 45 you are not drawing on the health system very much. Rather, your taxes pay into the system. Bringing in adult immigrants means that many fewer years of paying into the system before you get old and sick and start drawing on the system.
Immigration can only help for a short time because birth rates are falling all over. And it is not as good as growing your own taxpayers at home, anyway.
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That's exactly right. 30 year old immigrants are 15 years away before they start their draw on the health care system. We're already top heavy, when immigration starts to trickle off (as it will) because of the demographic implosion and rise of the third world economies, it will be disaster for us. The top heavy is going to bury us. |
30 year old economic immigrants start paying taxes right away. For the first 23 years of my life I doubt I paid more than about $10,000 in taxes, got back most of that in refunds, and certainly cost taxpayers far more than that in paying for my health and education. Over the last 5 years I've been paying back the system, but its probably only now that I'm near what I cost it. |
I'm afraid you have not computed in a relevant fashion.
We have 100,000 abortions every year in this country. (Let us leave aside the other 100,000s of children who die through oral contraceptives or do not come into being because of selfish motives.)
100,000 newborns will take 45 years to start drawing on the health care system in any meaningful way.
Compare that to 100,000 immigrants who might arrive here at an average age of 30. That means in 15 years they will start drawing on the health care system.
Result: there is a 30 year gap in drawing on the health care system which, of course, has huge implications on WHEN we pay for the health care i.e. we will be paying for something 30 years sooner than we need to.
Add the compound factor of this scenario happening on an ANNUAL basis.
Add also the ominous factor that immigration will eventually trail off (at least *desirable* immigrants) with no offsetting increase in the birth rate (in fact, indications are that it will continue to decrease)
= A real humdinger situation for health care, labour costs, pensions, social cohesion, etc. etc. etc.
The natural family is the best thing going. When the State starts to manufacture civilization, it can only lead to ruin. Oh sure, it takes decades to play out, but it does eventually playout.
In fact, demographically speaking, it's already too late, even if things turned around right now.
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| Posted: 08/ 21/ 08 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Paycheck wrote: | I'm afraid you have not computed in a relevant fashion.
We have 100,000 abortions every year in this country. (Let us leave aside the other 100,000s of children who die through oral contraceptives or do not come into being because of selfish motives.)
100,000 newborns will take 45 years to start drawing on the health care system in any meaningful way.
Compare that to 100,000 immigrants who might arrive here at an average age of 30. That means in 15 years they will start drawing on the health care system.
Result: there is a 30 year gap in drawing on the health care system which, of course, has huge implications on WHEN we pay for the health care i.e. we will be paying for something 30 years sooner than we need to.
Add the compound factor of this scenario happening on an ANNUAL basis.
Add also the ominous factor that immigration will eventually trail off (at least *desirable* immigrants) with no offsetting increase in the birth rate (in fact, indications are that it will continue to decrease)
= A real humdinger situation for health care, labour costs, pensions, social cohesion, etc. etc. etc.
The natural family is the best thing going. When the State starts to manufacture civilization, it can only lead to ruin. Oh sure, it takes decades to play out, but it does eventually playout.
In fact, demographically speaking, it's already too late, even if things turned around right now. |
You missed his point, he is indicating that from 0-25 you are not contributing to society anyway, and are a draw on other social dollars namely education. With an educated immigrant that can produce immediately they have never been a draw on those educatin resources and will contribute to paying for their health-care draw. |
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Kate Shaw
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In our family we look after one another -- and I do not mean the Nuclear Us Four No More family either; I mean our extended family, including friends and who style themselves sons and daughters to my folks.
Everyone in our family except one sister who suffered from cancer in her youth and had a hysterectomy at a young age has done his or her duty to the party and contributed at least two children. They have also not sucked at the federal tiddy at any time in their lives, and will not allow any of us to go hungry, thirsty, naked, friendless and cold.
That is what happens when you have parents who teach you right from wrong.
There is no way to force people to have children if they do not want them, and mercilessly bullying people and threatening them never works in any case. Particularly trying to scare them with the idea that unless they breed wage slaves to feed into the machine, the world as we know it will end.
Personally I believe the birth dearth will spell the end of socialism because it cannot be supported without a shoal of wage slaves to hold it up. Plantation Society is never a stable society. And really isnt it best to let people choose their own way of living and give them the break of believing that they are smart enough to know what they are doing? Rather than constantly trying to chivvy people into having lots more children because that would make YOU happy?
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| Posted: 08/ 21/ 08 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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Why or how is anyone suprised when the young people of today don't have children. They have been brought up in a society where having a dog is more important than a baby brother or sister. Where they have never had to honestly compete for anything (everyone gets a trophy). These are the people who have lived life by the rules that they were taught....It's all about ME. The sun rises and sets because I exsist. It is well ingrained that they be selfish or have to share the spotlight with any child they should bring into the world. Can't have that now can we.
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Kishka
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| Kate Shaw wrote: | In our family we look after one another -- and I do not mean the Nuclear Us Four No More family either; I mean our extended family, including friends and who style themselves sons and daughters to my folks.
Everyone in our family except one sister who suffered from cancer in her youth and had a hysterectomy at a young age has done his or her duty to the party and contributed at least two children. They have also not sucked at the federal tiddy at any time in their lives, and will not allow any of us to go hungry, thirsty, naked, friendless and cold.
That is what happens when you have parents who teach you right from wrong.
There is no way to force people to have children if they do not want them, and mercilessly bullying people and threatening them never works in any case. Particularly trying to scare them with the idea that unless they breed wage slaves to feed into the machine, the world as we know it will end.
Personally I believe the birth dearth will spell the end of socialism because it cannot be supported without a shoal of wage slaves to hold it up. Plantation Society is never a stable society. And really isnt it best to let people choose their own way of living and give them the break of believing that they are smart enough to know what they are doing? Rather than constantly trying to chivvy people into having lots more children because that would make YOU happy? |
There are a lot of people out there who should never have been parents. Period. I agree, bullying people is not the answer. The cost of living being what it is, is enough to deter anyone. If I had a kid today, I would want it to go to private school. How much does that cost? |
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| Posted: 08/ 21/ 08 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Kishka wrote: | | Kate Shaw wrote: | In our family we look after one another -- and I do not mean the Nuclear Us Four No More family either; I mean our extended family, including friends and who style themselves sons and daughters to my folks.
Everyone in our family except one sister who suffered from cancer in her youth and had a hysterectomy at a young age has done his or her duty to the party and contributed at least two children. They have also not sucked at the federal tiddy at any time in their lives, and will not allow any of us to go hungry, thirsty, naked, friendless and cold.
That is what happens when you have parents who teach you right from wrong.
There is no way to force people to have children if they do not want them, and mercilessly bullying people and threatening them never works in any case. Particularly trying to scare them with the idea that unless they breed wage slaves to feed into the machine, the world as we know it will end.
Personally I believe the birth dearth will spell the end of socialism because it cannot be supported without a shoal of wage slaves to hold it up. Plantation Society is never a stable society. And really isnt it best to let people choose their own way of living and give them the break of believing that they are smart enough to know what they are doing? Rather than constantly trying to chivvy people into having lots more children because that would make YOU happy? |
There are a lot of people out there who should never have been parents. Period. I agree, bullying people is not the answer. The cost of living being what it is, is enough to deter anyone. If I had a kid today, I would want it to go to private school. How much does that cost? |
Interesting cost of living calculator I came across a while back. http://www.cleavebooks.co.uk/scol/calcolca.htm
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Lou Dobbs on CNN ran a population story.
The U.S. Bureau of the Census is projecting a population in 2050 of 439 million., up from around 305 million or so.
If I recall the Dobbs story correctly, immigration - legal, illegal, and descendants will be responsible for 75 % of this increase. If we go out to 2060, that will mean an increase of about 50% from current levels.
Think of the pressure on resources. Not just oil -- water.
It is not going to be pleasant. |
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