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WestViking
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 Posted: 07/ 11/ 08 12:36 am Post subject: |
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Another view:
http://www.freedominion.com.pa/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=101793
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homeandnativeland
Joined: 02 Feb 2006 Total posts: 3829 Location: Ontario Age: 40 Gender: Male
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| Quote: | In the eyes of anti-abortionists, Dr. Morgentaler is still the Great Satan because they see him unilaterally ignoring the sanctity of human life, including a fetus. Why is that irrational? Because they otherwise passively accept the state's right to take human life if it serves the state's legitimate purpose. So they condone police officers being given authority under certain conditions to take a life. They are passive when Canadian soldiers kill not only Taliban terrorists but Afghan civilians when bombs are dropped from the air.
“Pro-life” thus means protecting the life of the unborn, but not always the life of the born. Yet, being pro-choice is no more rational, regardless of how sophisticated and articulate its champions are. |
If a 'fetus' attacks you with malicious intent you should definitely defend yourself by getting an abortion.
| Quote: | They are passive when Canadian soldiers kill not only Taliban terrorists but Afghan civilians when bombs are dropped from the air.
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Intent ring a bell? |
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| leewgrant Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Total posts: 6830 Location: Gilmour and Causeyside Sts Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 07/ 11/ 08 9:17 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | But, instead of agitating over Dr. Morgentaler's Order of Canada, it would be more rational for the public to be concerned over the fact that Canada has no significant law on abortion. |
I think that's what most people around here are also saying. And Andrew Coyne in Macleans.
I see that Morgentaler's clinic in Montreal has been picketed. First time in years.
Abortion has never had so much publicity as right now. Now is the time to pick up the phone and call your MP (or write) and say that it's time for a national debate on the issue which will lead to some kind of abortion regulation in Canada.
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virgey
Joined: 10 Jul 2004 Total posts: 4142 Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 62 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 07/ 11/ 08 9:41 am Post subject: Re: Canada has no abortion law - globe and mail |
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| Hodgson wrote: | http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080710.wcomment0710/BNStory/specialComment/home
Apparently having an abortion and a policeman killing in self defense is morally equivalent.
And people wonder why the Federal PC party was destroyed. With MP's like this who needed the Liberals? |
What the author fails to mention is the fact that a legitimate war is to protect the many at the possible expense of a few. In the case of a police officer, well it is self evident, he kills to prevent his own imminent death from a perpetrator of some crime. In both instances there is legitimate reasons to kill, but in the case of most abortions there is NO need to abort other then to alleviate the female of the responsibility of a child. Allowing abortions, allows people to abort a baby on a whim, and now that they are paid for by the Canadian taxpayer, we have seen an increase in abortions. It is not surprising that the young are in favour of abortion. It allows them to be irresponsible, callous, self-serving, and a burden on the health care system. Some people will say that women take abortion very seriously. That they find it traumatic and it is very well thought out before they decide to abort. Well to that I say hogwash. Let me say though that there are some exceptions, but they are in the minority. The reality of what we are witnessing in the real world supports my view, that abortions are the aphrodisiac of the young, and gives them the freedom to be promiscuous and irresponsible.
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littleharbour
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I knew the name was familiar:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reg_Stackhouse
| Quote: | | He was narrowly defeated in the 1988 election, losing to Liberal challenger Tom Wappel by 440 votes. During this campaign, members of the group Campaign Life distributed leaflets attacking Stackhouse as a "babykiller" because he supported abortion in some circumstances (Toronto Star, 4 July 1988). He described this attack as "disgusting and reproachful", adding "That kind of personal attack by design has no part in a democracy" (Toronto Star, 27 December 1988). The Campaign Life campaign had endorsed Wappel, who opposes abortion under all circumstances. |
Seems that former Tory MP Stackhouse still has an axe to grind with the pro-lifers. The fact that the man cannot understand the difference between killing those who threaten a woman and those who look to a woman for protection [i.e. her own unborn child] clearly demonstrates why he was unfit for office. As for his suggestion that all pro-lifers are war mongers, I'd say he's very far from the truth. Many pro-lifers are Catholics who have liberal attitudes toward conflict and the death penalty, and often with respect to social-welfare issues as well. When faced with all major parties having a pro-abortion plank, they can either stay home, vote for a splinter party, or hold their nose and vote for the pro-abortion party which is closest to them on other issues. Day and Harper could have used the Liberals extreme pro-abortion position and SSM position to finally split these people away from the Liberal party in 2000, 2004 and 2006, but both men were uneasy and lacked confidence in bringing these issues to the forefront. It was hard to believe that either man was serious about doing anything either issue and, therefore, easy for many pro-lifers to stay with the Liberals [where pro-lifers such as Paul Stemple and Tom Wappel could speak their mind without being gagged by their own leader]. |
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| Eddy Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Total posts: 1385 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 07/ 12/ 08 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| His final point stands by itself, but the rest of the article should be embarrassing for a theology school. Another example of the lamentable implosion of the Anglicans. |
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| leewgrant Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Total posts: 6830 Location: Gilmour and Causeyside Sts Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 07/ 12/ 08 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Eddy wrote: | | His final point stands by itself, but the rest of the article should be embarrassing for a theology school. Another example of the lamentable implosion of the Anglicans. |
| Quote: | | In the eyes of anti-abortionists, Dr. Morgentaler is still the Great Satan because they see him unilaterally ignoring the sanctity of human life, including a fetus. Why is that irrational? Because they otherwise passively accept the state's right to take human life if it serves the state's legitimate purpose. So they condone police officers being given authority under certain conditions to take a life. They are passive when Canadian soldiers kill not only Taliban terrorists but Afghan civilians when bombs are dropped from the air. |
I guess he was a Liberal, right? He would have to be with that logic.
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| Eddy Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Total posts: 1385 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 07/ 12/ 08 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't know if he was a Liberal: Wycliffe was supposed to be the heart of Evangelical Anglicanism. But I take a deep breath whenever a theologian or philosopher uses the word 'they'. |
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WestViking
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| Posted: 07/ 12/ 08 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Eddy wrote: | | I don't know if he was a Liberal: Wycliffe was supposed to be the heart of Evangelical Anglicanism. But I take a deep breath whenever a theologian or philosopher uses the word 'they'. |
Whether he is an avowed liberal or not is of small consequence; he is using moral equivalence to justify debauchery which is a thoroughly liberal trait.
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