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 Posted: 07/ 08/ 08 10:55 pm Post subject: Most Canadians support Morgentaler's prize: poll |
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| Quote: | Most Canadians support Morgentaler's prize: poll
OTTAWA - Two out of three Canadians either support or somewhat support the appointment of Dr. Henry Morgentaler to the prestigious Order of Canada, reveals a new poll, which points out Prime Minister Stephen Harper is in the minority by voicing his "personal dissatisfaction" with the controversial nomination.
The survey, conducted exclusively for Canwest News Service and Global National, showed 65 per cent of Canadians favour awarding the high honour to the Toronto abortion doctor, while 35 per cent are against it.
"Two-thirds support is very solid," John Wright, senior vice president of the polling firm Ipsos Reid, which surveyed 1,023 adults from July 4-7. "You're not going to do much better than that."
Women, Quebecers, and people under 35 were the most likely to approve of Morgentaler's investiture to the order, bestowed on Canadians who have made a major difference to the country.
While opposition was strongest in the Prairies and Atlantic Canada, a majority in every province still gave the nod to the announcement that Morgentaler, one of the most divisive Canadians in history, would receive the snowflake-shaped insignia.
Nationally, 27 per cent of Canadians polled said they strongly supported the nomination, while 37 per cent somewhat agreed. On the other side, 19 per cent were strongly opposed and 16 per cent were somewhat opposed.
The nomination of the 85-year-old Morgentaler, whose name has been synonymous with abortion rights since he opened his first clinic in Montreal almost four decades ago, has revived passionate debate nationwide.
On Tuesday, protest persisted when representatives of Madonna House, an Ontario Catholic organization, travelled to the official residence of the Governor General in Ottawa to return an Order of Canada medal awarded 32 years ago to its now-deceased founder, Catherine Doherty.
Ontario's Catholic premier also jumped into the debate by saying he supports Morgentaler's induction.
"I know Dr. Morgentaler is seen as a controversial figure but I believe in a women's right to make a very difficult decision and if she makes that difficult decision and chooses to have an abortion I want her to be able to do that in a way that is safe and a way that's publicly funded," Dalton McGuinty said Tuesday afternoon in Toronto.
"It is divisive, but I think it is important."
The prime minister also has been among about one dozen MPs who have criticized Morgentaler's award, saying last week that 'my preference, to be frank, would be to see the Order of Canada be something that really unifies, that brings Canadians together."
Harper also said he had nothing to do with Morgentaler's appointment, which was made by an independent advisory council led by Beverley McLachlin, the chief justice of Canada.
"Despite Prime Minister Harper's personal dissatisfaction with this decision . . . it appears that he is in the minority," a news release on the poll said.
But Wright said he doubts Harper risked alienating two-thirds of the country, since he did not directly attack abortion.
Regionally, support was strongest in Canada's three largest provinces. Seventy-two per cent of Quebecers said they support Morgentaler's appointment, followed by Ontario residents at 69 per cent and British Columbians at 61 per cent. In Alberta, 64 per cent indicated support, followed by 52 per cent in Atlantic Canada and 51 per cent in Saskatchewan and Manitoba.
The poll also showed that more women than men favour Morgentaler's investiture, at 68 per cent and 61 per cent respectively.
There were also strong age divisions, with support among the under-35 set reaching 70 per cent, followed by middle-aged Canadians at 65 per cent. Of those who are 55 or older, 59 per cent supported the decision.
The survey is considered accurate within 3.1 percentage points, 19 times in 20, but the margin of error is greater within regions and other subgroups.
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=032ba3d5-fb26-499b-ab17-9d4d9d27fa17 |
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 CrashJoined: 18 Jul 2003 Total posts: 1251 Location: Nova Scotia Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 07/ 08/ 08 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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*awaits the spin doctors to explain just another liberal conspiracy*
This is a dead issue, no matter how much we hate it we are the vast minority in Canada and we're not supported by the courts.
When 65% of Canadians support Dr. Death receiving the order of Canada the battle is over. There is nothing else to be said. |
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| Posted: 07/ 08/ 08 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Crash wrote: | *awaits the spin doctors to explain just another liberal conspiracy*
This is a dead issue, no matter how much we hate it we are the vast minority in Canada and we're not supported by the courts.
When 65% of Canadians support Dr. Death receiving the order of Canada the battle is over. There is nothing else to be said. |
999 out of 1000 Canadians have never read the Morgentaler SCC decision or know a damn thing about Morgentaler.
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freenewf
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| Posted: 07/ 08/ 08 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Crash wrote: | *awaits the spin doctors to explain just another liberal conspiracy*
This is a dead issue, no matter how much we hate it we are the vast minority in Canada and we're not supported by the courts.
When 65% of Canadians support Dr. Death receiving the order of Canada the battle is over. There is nothing else to be said. |
THIS battle will NEVER be over, until our point of view prevails!
I'm disappointed with your defeatist attitude.
The battle is only over if you are willing to concede that we should do NOTHING, because ignoramuses, who have been brainwashed by the media, half-heartedly voice an opinion in a POLL.
It would appear you're willing to abandon the unborn in the womb to their fate, because 'we're not supported by the courts.'
Recognize, then, that the judicial appointments process must be criticized, vociferously and consistently. ALL those elements that go into making Canada a 'culture of death' must be relentlessly attacked and criticized.
You say yourself that we are a 'vast minority.' Dead right.
A 'vast minority' of, say, 35%, which is PASSIONATE, will eventually prevail over a mushy, half-hearted 65%.
The problem would seem to be that WE are not as passionate and committed, as willing to pray, and sacrifice, as we should be.
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Peter O'Donnell
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| Posted: 07/ 09/ 08 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| Poll the same people and ask how many would be glad if they had been aborted themselves. |
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| Peter O'Donnell wrote: | | Poll the same people and ask how many would be glad if they had been aborted themselves. |
Peter, probably a surprising number of them.
They are, after all, nihilists, and I don't think it's a stretch to say that they are, very probably, not HAPPY people. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they find life a burden ... because they find life meaningless.
They are the lost souls, without faith.
They don't much believe in charity (from out their OWN pockets; they're big on state-compelled charity -- after all, they're liberals. Check the stats on the level of charitable giving by liberals -- it proves their hypocrisy.)
Missing out on those two, they're very likely without much HOPE, either.
To me that suggests that their sort are likely candidates for self-destruction ... so the possibility that they might wish they'd been aborted to start with is not a stretch.
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| Posted: 07/ 09/ 08 1:16 am Post subject: |
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The younger the opinion giver the more supportive of abortion they are.
Sigh. |
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| madman Joined: 21 Apr 2004 Total posts: 112 Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 07/ 09/ 08 1:17 am Post subject: |
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What was the question that was asked?
I have no dought that this was a loaded
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| Hodgson wrote: | The younger the opinion giver the more supportive of abortion they are.
Sigh. |
I’m suspicious; something about this doesn’t seem right. I've often been told youth were much more prolife these days.
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| Spud wrote: | | Hodgson wrote: | The younger the opinion giver the more supportive of abortion they are.
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I’m suspicious; something about this doesn’t seem right. I've often been told youth were much more prolife these days. |
Based on what evidence?
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| leewgrant Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Total posts: 6830 Location: Gilmour and Causeyside Sts Gender: Unknown
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If the issue had been such that the outrage had come from the left by last Thursday the various groups (unions, NDP, feminists etc) would have organized a huge rally on Parliament Hill which would have received very favorable media coverage. And they would have had the issue publicized ad nauseum.
But conservatives are a more demure bunch. They organize on-line petitions and write polite letters to the government. (The priest who accompanied the group from Madonna House sounded like he was apologizing for returning the medal. He made it clear that this was a matter of conscience and that other medal holders are free to do what they want. Abortion is a matter of conscience?)
Even the anti-OC media were at the same time pro-abort and this finally sunk into the public. So it is not surprising that there has been a shift in public opinion.
It is my feeling that all this publicity, on balance, worked to the advantage of the pro-abort side.
The PMO is watching this and, like in Montreal in 2005, all steps will be made this fall to stomp out any efforts to get a resolution passed at the policy convention that would regulate abortion.
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| I never realised just to what extent evil has gained control of the Canadian public. |
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| Posted: 07/ 09/ 08 9:38 am Post subject: |
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of course floating a story that says "a majority of Canadians support..." makes many more simple minded Canadians decide to join in, and support...
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"Most" Canadians? Bullshit!
If they had a number they would be flaunting it. This is absolutely a fabricated and unfounded claim.
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Jason Kauppinen
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| Quote: | The survey, conducted exclusively for Canwest News Service and Global National, showed 65 per cent of Canadians favour awarding the high honour to the Toronto abortion doctor, while 35 per cent are against it.
"Two-thirds support is very solid," John Wright, senior vice president of the polling firm Ipsos Reid, which surveyed 1,023 adults from July 4-7. "You're not going to do much better than that." |
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