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 Posted: 07/ 05/ 08 12:24 am Post subject: Abortion Queen |
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Governor General, Michaëlle Jean, is the Queen’s representative here in Canada. She represents the Head of State, Queen Elizabeth II. As part of her largely ceremonial functions, the Governor General is responsible for attending events here at home as well as representing Canada abroad, and receiving ambassadors from other countries. She also signs bills into law on behalf of the Queen. That’s all part and parcel of a constitutional democracy of which Canada is a part. Another function she fulfills is to award medals and other honours, like the Order of Canada, to worthy Canadians.
As representative of the Queen, the Governor General’s first and foremost duty is to sustain the unity of the Canadian nation. That is why her functions are essentially ceremonial in nature. She is supposed to highlight what Canadians have in common and what unites us. Her role is to be a figurehead of unity for Canada and to avoid - at all costs - being a symbol of disunity and controversy (which would normally be reserved for the politicians who represent various constituencies across the country). Unlike political parties, the Governor General’s role is to rise above the political differences its citizens hold to present a unified voice and face to the world on what Canada is about.
A former Governor General, Lord Dufferin, once said that his role was to be a ”representative of all that is august, stable, and sedate in the country; incapable of partisanship, and lifted far above the atmosphere of fraction...”
And yet despite this clearly defined roll, Michaëlle Jean, our 27th Governor General, has arrogantly decided to change the roll she inherited from her predecessors from being a sign of unity and stability to one of disunity and controversy. Like so many other things that have been redefined in our nation over the past 40 years, Madam Jean wishes now to be known as a partisan representative of a particular constituency in Canada.
With her approval and support, Michaëlle Jean has elevated Henry Morgentaller, the notorious mass murderer, to the Order of Canada. One can hardly imagine a more partisan or disunifying act that anyone - much less a Governor General - could perform. With the stroke of her pen, Madam Jean has not only debased the Order of Canada, she has sullied the office of the Governor General as well. Not only has she betrayed her vocation in creating friction in Canada, she did so in the most egregious and objectionable way by unconscionably honouring a notorious abortionist who has butchered tens of thousands of defenseless Canadian babies.
There are few Governor Generals that stand out. They don’t stand out because they’re not supposed to. That’s not their job. If they do stand out, there’s something wrong. Very few people know anything about what Governor Generals have done in the past, but no one will forget what this one has done in awarding the Arch Abortionist of Canada the highest civilian award. It will leave a black mark against her name and the office she represents for a very long time to come. Like the prime minister who appointed her to the post, she will be known for pandering to the sexual interest groups before being unceremoniously dumped. Paul Martin will never be known for anything except being the Prime Minister lackey of the same-sex “marriage” lobby. Likewise, Michaëlle Jean will never be known for anything other than sullying her office and the Order of Canada by assuming the dubious title, “Abortion Queen”.
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| Posted: 07/ 05/ 08 12:37 am Post subject: |
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Well, it wasn't as though she had some glittering record of accomplishments as GG and this came out of the blue.
We are probably at a stage of history when it will no longer be possible to find much of value or merit in our nations here on earth. I think it points to the probable approach of the end of days and a better world to come under entirely different leadership.
We won't fix Canada, it is too broken and too rebellious against the word of God for that now. We must hope for more limited gains, protecting what little is left of our freedom, for example. They are coming for us, I feel, because they sense that their time is short. |
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queenmandy85
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| Posted: 07/ 05/ 08 12:53 am Post subject: |
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The GG does not select memers of the Order of Canada. It would be even more controversial for her to over rule the selection committee in a selection.
Morganthaller would not have been my choice, but his selection is supported by a majority of the committee and a majority of the people of Canada. We have no way of knowing what Her Excellancy's personal view of the appointment is as she is not permitted to impose her personal views.
Your attack on our GG is both unfair and ungracious. Abortion is legal and there is nothing she can do about it.
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| Posted: 07/ 05/ 08 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| Peter O'Donnell wrote: |
We won't fix Canada, it is too broken and too rebellious against the word of God for that now. . |
I have been vary aware of this since June 28th, 2005. I guess it is the fact that when Dimwitty Martin passed his vile act, God did not even care or notice. Not only are we no longer on the A list, we aren't even on the Z list. God refuses to take calls from Canada.
I find it most interesting that when California does stupid, God literally sends down fire and brimstone. Last count was 0ver 1400 fires. We didn't even get a good thunderstorm.
You are correct. Canada is no longer fixable from the standpoint of evil. The good news is that He will still listen to Christians even if they are Canadians; just not about this country. I am praying as hard as I can for the U.S. I hope they turn back in time.
I would love to be at Freedom Village on Sat. night for the I love America event. |
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| Posted: 07/ 05/ 08 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| queenmandy85 wrote: | The GG does not select memers of the Order of Canada. It would be even more controversial for her to over rule the selection committee in a selection.
Morganthaller would not have been my choice, but his selection is supported by a majority of the committee and a majority of the people of Canada. We have no way of knowing what Her Excellancy's personal view of the appointment is as she is not permitted to impose her personal views.
Your attack on our GG is both unfair and ungracious. Abortion is legal and there is nothing she can do about it. |
First of all, abortion is NOT legal in Canada. When the courts struck down the law that did exist in Canada, the government never passed any new laws either for or against abortion, but rather remained quiet about it. Therefore, Canada is in limbo when it comes to abortion. People are free to have abortions and doctors are free to perform them with no fear of any consequences since no law exists concerning abortion.
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| Posted: 07/ 05/ 08 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| queenmandy85 wrote: | The GG does not select memers of the Order of Canada. It would be even more controversial for her to over rule the selection committee in a selection.
Morganthaller would not have been my choice, but his selection is supported by a majority of the committee and a majority of the people of Canada. We have no way of knowing what Her Excellancy's personal view of the appointment is as she is not permitted to impose her personal views.
Your attack on our GG is both unfair and ungracious. Abortion is legal and there is nothing she can do about it. |
The Governor General has indeed the power to veto appointments. It is very clear that it will be far more controversial (if that is your criteria) to go through with this sham than simply to have quietly told the Committee to flob off and that she would not be presenting him with the award.
Nor is it any excuse to say that it would have broken with protocol or set a nasty precedent. The protocol was already fraudulently broken when the Council decided by simple majority rather than by unanimity to sully the Order of Canada.
As the representative of the Queen and a unified Canada, she had the duty to maintain that status. Instead, she chose to be the lackey of the abortion lobby. 
Far from the Governor Genearal's personal views being imposed, instead we got the a divided Star Chamber's fraudulent personal views imposed on the vast majority of Canadians who have shown they reject Morgentaler receiving the Order. If that's not a real imposition, I don't know what is.
Abortion's legality has very little to do with the question of the Order of Canada and the Governor General's role to maintain its integrity.
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| Posted: 07/ 05/ 08 10:10 am Post subject: |
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Yes - the fact the process was changed is very significant. Beverly McLaughlin as Chair of the nominating committee had to be the one to have made this happen.
As the Abortion debate unfolds and cases come before the Supreme Court - would you want to be a lawyer pleading a pro-life position before the Supreme Court? The fix is already in. The Chief Justice has already declared her bias and prejudice against you and your position. Oh - and even if you win the argument to the Supreme Court - watch out - Beverly will just change the rules! She is above the law! Read Thomas sowell's "the Vison of the Anointed" - the self-appointed elites and self-congratulatory crowd have no time for democracy or the views of others.
So much for 'impartial jurists of repute" |
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| Posted: 07/ 05/ 08 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| queenmandy85 wrote: | The GG does not select memers of the Order of Canada. It would be even more controversial for her to over rule the selection committee in a selection.
Morganthaller would not have been my choice, but his selection is supported by a majority of the committee and a majority of the people of Canada. We have no way of knowing what Her Excellancy's personal view of the appointment is as she is not permitted to impose her personal views.
Your attack on our GG is both unfair and ungracious. Abortion is legal and there is nothing she can do about it. |
I choose to ignore you. The majority of Canadians do NOT support his appointment. |
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| Posted: 07/ 05/ 08 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| virgey wrote: | | queenmandy85 wrote: | The GG does not select memers of the Order of Canada. It would be even more controversial for her to over rule the selection committee in a selection.
Morganthaller would not have been my choice, but his selection is supported by a majority of the committee and a majority of the people of Canada. We have no way of knowing what Her Excellancy's personal view of the appointment is as she is not permitted to impose her personal views.
Your attack on our GG is both unfair and ungracious. Abortion is legal and there is nothing she can do about it. |
First of all, abortion is NOT legal in Canada. When the courts struck down the law that did exist in Canada, the government never passed any new laws either for or against abortion, but rather remained quiet about it. Therefore, Canada is in limbo when it comes to abortion. People are free to have abortions and doctors are free to perform them with no fear of any consequences since no law exists concerning abortion. |
Unfortunately it is legal in Canada. Laws are passed to make things illegal. The absence of a law means that it is legal. France and a few other nations do, however, take the opposite view - many things are assumed there to be illegal, it is only the presence of a government law that can make some activities legal. |
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| Posted: 07/ 05/ 08 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| queenmandy85 wrote: |
Morganthaller would not have been my choice, but his selection is supported by a majority of the committee and a majority of the people of Canada. |
You couldn't be more wrong. Any poll I have seen tells the exact opposite.
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| Posted: 07/ 05/ 08 10:43 am Post subject: |
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I think it's time we elect the Governor-General or a head of state. I think the idea that an unelected official signs our laws and makes political decisions like this without being elected, is wrong.
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| Posted: 07/ 05/ 08 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| SUZANNE wrote: | | I think it's time we elect the Governor-General or a head of state. I think the idea that an unelected official signs our laws and makes political decisions like this without being elected, is wrong. |
good plan! the only problem is finding someone to vote for. |
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| Brown envelope wrote: | | queenmandy85 wrote: |
Morganthaller would not have been my choice, but his selection is supported by a majority of the committee and a majority of the people of Canada. |
You couldn't be more wrong. Any poll I have seen tells the exact opposite. |
Same here. Most editorials have been opposed and the only persons in favor I have seen have been the usual feminist types. I would say the opposition to the appointment is significant.
They should can the Chief Justice as chair of the group. The SCOC is supposed to be impartial so it is unreasonable to ask the CJ to be involved in something that is controversial - not just Morgentaler but Akenahew, Eagleson and more lately Black. The OC has also gone to a birth control exponent and a guy who performs SSMs.
By all means let the GG carry on with the responsibility but all decisions must be by consensus without the GG having a veto power.
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| Posted: 07/ 05/ 08 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| queenmandy85 wrote: | The GG does not select memers of the Order of Canada. It would be even more controversial for her to over rule the selection committee in a selection.
Morganthaller would not have been my choice, but his selection is supported by a majority of the committee and a majority of the people of Canada. We have no way of knowing what Her Excellancy's personal view of the appointment is as she is not permitted to impose her personal views.
Your attack on our GG is both unfair and ungracious. Abortion is legal and there is nothing she can do about it. |
You are entitled to your opinion but it would be nice if you actually used facts to form your opinion.
- GG may not select members but the business of Orders of Canada rest with the GG's office more than it does with the government. Evidence? Um, how about the fact that it is the GG's office that received phone calls about this controversial appointment?
- His appointment is supporter by a majority of the committee - you've already been told but it bears repeating - appointing someone to the OOC by "majority" breaks from long established protocol. To make the point further about why this is important, there was talk and debate about having awards for distinguished Canadians for a long time (some 40 years?) before it was implemented in 1967 because many people felt that there was a danger of awards becoming partisan and political. One of the safeguards put into the procedures was this very idea that the Advisory Council would have to have UNANIMOUS agreement, not "Majority".
- Majority of the people of Canada? Again, you are absolutely wrong if we are able to use the evidence of the numerous on-line polls and voices we are hearing on shows where the public's opinion is welcome. Of course you could say that those things are not scientific. Fair enough but I would then say that the burden should be on you to prove that you are correct that a "majority of the people of Canada" approve of this appointment. Given that the council broke the rules in order to give it to them, I believe the burden of proof rests with your side to show that the majority of Canadian people want this and therefore their break with protocol is justifiable.
- I believe we do have a way of knowing what the GG thinks on the issue of abortion although I can't find any direct reference at the moment. This is a woman with a long history of working in battered women's shelters and other various pet causes for "women's issues". If I was a bettin' man I know where I'd lay the odds. And on that note, given that this is an "appointed" position, I'd love to see what would happen if she now had to face an election to remain GG. I think I know what would happen in that scenario.
- Yes, abortion is not "illegal" but you know damn well that this is a controversial issue. She has indirectly weighed in on this debate by allowing the Advisory Council to change the rules in order to ensure that Morgentaler received the Order this time around. It is her responsibility to ensure that something like this does NOT happen regardless of her personal views. |
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| Posted: 07/ 05/ 08 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| queenmandy85 wrote: | The GG does not select memers of the Order of Canada. It would be even more controversial for her to over rule the selection committee in a selection.
Morganthaller would not have been my choice, but his selection is supported by a majority of the committee and a majority of the people of Canada. We have no way of knowing what Her Excellancy's personal view of the appointment is as she is not permitted to impose her personal views.
Your attack on our GG is both unfair and ungracious. Abortion is legal and there is nothing she can do about it. |
silly! but that's what you want, isn't it?
regarding the last line, do you think that if Parliament passed legislation restricting abortion we could now trust the GG to sign it? |
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