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roger-harrisTroll
Joined: 01 Jul 2008 Total posts: 76 Gender: Unknown
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Posted: 07/ 01/ 08 8:14 pm Post subject: Morgentaler: Harper had a choice |
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The Harper "Conservative" government is trying to disclaim any responsibility for Henry Morgentaler's appointment to the Order of Canada by claiming that they have no say in the process and that it's completely out of their hands.
Quite simply, this is a bald faced lie.
Under our system of government the Queen and her representative the Governor-General are required to follow the "advice" of the Prime Minister except in very narrow circumstances which do not apply here (that is the GG has some limited latitude if the government has lost a motion of confidence in the House of Commons).
What this means is that all Harper had to do was get on the phone with Madame Jean and instruct her not to name Morgentaler to the Order of Canada. If she refused to follow his advice he then could have instructed the Queen to either instruct the GG to follow the PM's advice or remove the GG and replace her with someone capable of fulfilling the position's constitutional role.
So it's not that the PM couldn't do anything when faced with a possible Morgentaler appointment (something he would have known was in the works months ago since the Clerk of the Privy Council is on the OC Advisory Committee) but that he chose to do nothing.
If he wished to be more circumspect and not single Morgentaler out by name he could have instructed the GG to follow precedent and only appoint to the Order of Canada individuals who had the unanimous approval of the Advisory Committee. Again, Harper chose to do nothing. |
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semper fidelis
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Posted: 07/ 01/ 08 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| He could have done more; that's for sure. |
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ccurrieJoined: 07 Jun 2004 Total posts: 1478
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Posted: 07/ 01/ 08 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't know. I wasn't there. |
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Peter O'Donnell
Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Total posts: 7995 Location: BC Age: 60 Gender: Male
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Posted: 07/ 01/ 08 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| It's only a ceremonial position that Harper holds, the real power is with the doctors who inject the drugs. I mean, this is not the Stephen Harper we sent to Ottawa, is it? I suspect a double. |
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roger-harrisTroll
Joined: 01 Jul 2008 Total posts: 76 Gender: Unknown
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Posted: 07/ 01/ 08 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Maybe the real Stephen Harper is hogtied in John Baird's basement and the occupant of 24 Sussex is a double grown in a lab? |
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Spud
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Posted: 07/ 01/ 08 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe Harper was really a Liberal plant. _________________ “Silence gives consent” - Pope Boniface VIII |
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roger-harrisTroll
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Posted: 07/ 02/ 08 10:08 am Post subject: |
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styky
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Posted: 07/ 02/ 08 10:10 am Post subject: |
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In my view Harper needs to stay out of this completely. It is the Committee that should be held responsible, period. _________________ FREE DOMINION FORUM RULES
All the great things are simple, and many can be expressed in a single word: freedom; justice; honor; duty; mercy; hope ~ Sir Winston Churchill
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher |
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Connie FournierMember
Joined: 06 Jan 2001 Total posts: 21101 Location: Kingston, Ontario Age: 44 Gender: Female
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Posted: 07/ 02/ 08 10:14 am Post subject: |
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If this had happened when Martin was Prime Minister, I doubt there would have been one person on the board saying that it wasn't his fault.
I hope Harper appreciates how far out on a limb his supporters are willing to go to give him the benefit of the doubt. _________________ There is nothing worse than a wormy, half-decomposed cheesebread. |
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Catholic CanadianJoined: 10 Apr 2006 Total posts: 2274 Location: Toronto aka Third World dump run by raving socialists Gender: Male
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Posted: 07/ 02/ 08 10:17 am Post subject: |
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Politically, this issue scares him. With a minority government, he knows that even wading into this debate could mean political suicide. That is how far the abortionists have come.
Mark Steyn wasn't lying when he said our country was controlled by a coalition of special interest groups. |
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Connie FournierMember
Joined: 06 Jan 2001 Total posts: 21101 Location: Kingston, Ontario Age: 44 Gender: Female
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Posted: 07/ 02/ 08 10:25 am Post subject: |
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No issue, it seems, is important enough to come before Harper's political ambitions.
Many of the great leaders in history risked their very lives to stand for liberty. But, our Prime Minister is so "scared" that he might lose an election that he refuses to stand for anything...not even our freedom of speech.
I don't think I have ever seen a bigger weenie. What a disgrace. _________________ There is nothing worse than a wormy, half-decomposed cheesebread. |
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Catholic CanadianJoined: 10 Apr 2006 Total posts: 2274 Location: Toronto aka Third World dump run by raving socialists Gender: Male
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Posted: 07/ 02/ 08 10:31 am Post subject: |
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Hold onto power at all costs. That is what being a Canadian politician is all about.
Mind you, I'll still vote for him, because I'd rather have him than any of the other people, short of the Libertarian party.
I keep hoping to myself that Harper is only acting like this in order to incrementally change things in Canada, rather than one shocking fell swoop.
I keep hoping he's waiting to consolidate his position and perhaps reach a majority. Or that he's hoping to slowly change the public consciousness of Canadians. Afterall, the man is under constant barrage of attacks from his enemies, who, let's face it, are all around him - in the media, the opposition, the big cities.
One wrong move and the conservative movement is over, barely before it began. These things take time. I'm willing to wait, it's been a long, long time and Rome wasn't built in a day. |
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Connie FournierMember
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Posted: 07/ 02/ 08 10:47 am Post subject: |
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I'm just feeling frustrated, CC. There are many of us on the ground who are putting everything on the line to fight for the basic things one would expect in a free country.
Then we look at our "leader", who is not only failing to "lead", but who is hiding behind our skirts and bawling like an infant about a "minority government" every time a significant issue arises.
It's demoralizing. _________________ There is nothing worse than a wormy, half-decomposed cheesebread. |
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Posted: 07/ 02/ 08 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| Stephen Harper has made it very clear for years that he's no friend of the pro-life movement. He made an election promise to not introduce a government bill to restrict abortion and that's one promise he's actually kept. He's muzzled the pro-life activists in caucus including Stockwell Day, a former rival for leadership. He chose not to stop the Morgenthaler announcement because he's not interested in advancing the pro-life cause and never has. Paul Martin and Stephan Dion's ineptitude as Liberal leaders have been a godsend for the current Prime Minister. |
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Kate Shaw
Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Total posts: 20327 Location: Toronto Age: 61 Gender: Female
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Posted: 07/ 02/ 08 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| styky wrote: | | In my view Harper needs to stay out of this completely. It is the Committee that should be held responsible, period. |
My thinking exactly. Harper is not the Queen. _________________ "There's no getting around the fact that the last time anyone saw the likes of Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, and Nancy Pelosi, they were stirring a cauldron when the curtain went up on 'Macbeth'."
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