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| What was the last Straw for you with PMSH & the CPC? |
| I never supported them. |
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| The Emerson and Fortier Appointments. |
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| The Rothstein(SCOC) Appointment. |
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| The Lebanese "Duo Citizen" bail out |
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| The Maher Arar apology and compensation |
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| The killing of the Benoit Bill & the SSM vote |
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| The Emergence of Brian Mulroney as an Advisor |
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| The Income Trust Reversal |
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| The Gun Registry Inaction |
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| The Quebec 'Nation' Motion |
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| The Kyoto Cave-In |
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| The Tax and Spend Budget |
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| Shane Doan |
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| Supression of So-Cons(Gallant,Spencer,Abortion,etc.) |
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 nickjbor
Joined: 12 Mar 2004 Total posts: 8750 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Age: 25 Gender: Male
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wasent spencer kicked out of the Alliance?? and I am not familiar with the Gallant incident. though I agree that Harper shut out abortion
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| bulldog905 Member
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| Posted: 05/ 12/ 07 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| nickjbor wrote: | | wasent spencer kicked out of the Alliance?? and I am not familiar with the Gallant incident. though I agree that Harper shut out abortion |
You're right, Nick.
Though Harper was the Alliance leader who fired him.
Harper fires Spencer for anti-gay remarks |
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Bill Whatcott
Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Total posts: 2627 Location: Doing battle with the Gay Gestapo, will be occupying Edmonton City Hall October 2007 Age: 42 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 05/ 12/ 07 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| nickjbor wrote: | | wasent spencer kicked out of the Alliance?? and I am not familiar with the Gallant incident. though I agree that Harper shut out abortion |
Spencer was removed to appease "red Tories" and facilitate the creation of the "Conservative" party we have now. Stephen Harper made the decision to remove Spencer.
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| Hailey Joined: 03 Jul 2004 Total posts: 19382 Location: Edmonton Gender: Female
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| Posted: 05/ 12/ 07 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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I have to say that I am very surprised at the numbers that said that they never supported PMSH to begin with. Shocked!
| Quote: | | I never trusted Harper from the get go and never expected him to be a principled leader at all. I knew from the CA leadership race, Harper was pro abortion and all for gay marriage and a destruction of the family unit |
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I must say that I never followed politics closely back then but I read some of the old threads just last week related to the leadership debate and how he attacked Stockwell Day on abortion etc should have been very telling. I wonder if those debates are available to view somewhere online?.
| Quote: | | 1. The Quebec 'Nation' Motion (the final nail in the coffin to destroy Canada) |
The response on that was short-lived and minimal at least in my circle.
| Quote: | 2. The Kyoto Cave-In (the destruction of the middle class in Canada)
3. The Tax and Spend Budget (what else can you expect from someone who accepts advice from Brian Mulroney) |
Those things seem resilient concerns.
| Quote: | | At least you knew the Liberals were filthy, lying thieves. This group of eastern ball and chain control freaks scare me. They're done. Get Harper out of Alberta. He doesn't belong. |
Wow! Red Dog if you had a decent candidate would you consider voting CPC or is it done and over for you?
| Quote: | | when SH muffled Cheryl Gallant he was telling all of us that getting elected was more important than being a party that considers principles, a popular party in that sense. (in fairness I'm not really a party man). On the list I would say the killing of the Benoit Bill because again a discussion of principles was pre-empted by political sustainability (not so much the cave-in on SSM, where there was at least some recognition of different opinions) |
In my opinion Cheryl Gallant's comments were ill-considered and not very sensitive. The family of the young man who was beheaded are left wing activists who are probably pro-choice. I am sure they wouldn't want their son to be a part of a pro-life rally analogy. I think that even though I agree with her on abortion that is an error.
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DA_Champion
Joined: 07 Jan 2001 Total posts: 13941 Location: Columbus, Ohio Age: 26 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 05/ 12/ 07 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Bill Whatcott wrote: | You left out the removal of Larry Spencer from the party. The silencing of Social Conservatives in the party. Forcing Cheryl Gallant to apologize for mentioning former Liberal Defense Minister Bill Graham's sexual abuse of a 15 year old male prostitute.
All of the above...
Now they are calling concerned Conservatives a bunch of whiners....
They don't understand some Canadians want real conservatism and would prefer a party that would refuse to cave in to the MSM and various left wing lobbies holding our nation hostage.
I prefer the CHP but am willing to support a new Reform Party expressing a concern only the CHP seems to remain consistently conservative and pro-family.
I hope a new Rdform doesn't get hijacked by pseudo conservatives once again.
Not even sure how such a thing can be prevented....... |
As far as I know there's never been any proof Bill Graham used a 15 year old prostitute other than a single article by jamie glaznov.
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Knave
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| Posted: 05/ 12/ 07 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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Roughly 10 days into the last election campaign.
Harper had not set foot in Alberta - and neither had any of the other Party leaders, aside from Jim Harris of the Greens. Many, if not all, of his policy announcements were geared towards Central and Eastern Canadians.
It was reinforced when, not long after, Alberta Conservative MPs were a little scarce in their own ridings, and some didn't bother to show up for all-candidates forums in their ridings, as they were campaigning out-of-province.
I believed that Albertans deserved a better deal than what they were getting, and that I'd rather do something about it than just complain; The idea to get the ball rolling on a new federal party to represent Alberta began a couple weeks before the end of February - and I had registered the partyofalberta.org domain name by the end of March.
Development of the idea of a grass-roots party for Albertans - and how it would go forward and further take shape - took about six or seven months, and a lot of reading and study; much of it beginning in earnest at the end of August 2006.
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free_life2
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| Posted: 05/ 12/ 07 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I voted the So-Con betrayal/all So-Cons [which describes it better I think] but the problem with the CPC is the same as it was with the PC ....liberal red tories control the politics of the party. Principals be dammed it is all about winning and Conservatives are only welcome to vote and fund not have a voice or any power within the party. We are still looking for a Conservative party in Canada. |
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Yoda
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| Posted: 05/ 12/ 07 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| DA_Champion wrote: |
As far as I know there's never been any proof Bill Graham used a 15 year old prostitute other than a single article by jamie glaznov. |
Which has never been disputed by Bill Graham. Face it, he is a f....t
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DA_Champion
Joined: 07 Jan 2001 Total posts: 13941 Location: Columbus, Ohio Age: 26 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 05/ 12/ 07 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Yoda wrote: | | DA_Champion wrote: |
As far as I know there's never been any proof Bill Graham used a 15 year old prostitute other than a single article by jamie glaznov. |
Which has never been disputed by Bill Graham. Face it, he is a f....t |
It's bad PR to respond when someone accuses you of beating your wife.
And being gay is not the same thing as perusing a 15 year old prostitute.
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Yoda
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| DA_Champion wrote: |
And being gay is not the same thing as perusing a 15 year old prostitute. |
At his age and looks, the only way Bill Graham can get some is to pay for it.
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DA_Champion
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| Posted: 05/ 12/ 07 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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I know of a lot of ugly people get laid.
Really, not a great piece of evidence Yoda.
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| Hailey Joined: 03 Jul 2004 Total posts: 19382 Location: Edmonton Gender: Female
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| Posted: 05/ 12/ 07 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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Knave, I don't think people realized the significance of it at the time.
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Yoda
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| Posted: 05/ 12/ 07 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| DA_Champion wrote: | I know of a lot of ugly people get laid.
Really, not a great piece of evidence Yoda. |
Only by other ugly people.
Not by cute boys.
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Knave
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| Hailey wrote: | | Knave, I don't think people realized the significance of it at the time. |
Sorry, Hailey... the significance of what?
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| Hailey Joined: 03 Jul 2004 Total posts: 19382 Location: Edmonton Gender: Female
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I don't think that people saw Harper being in alberta very little during the campaign as a sign of things to come. I also don't think that most people put a lot of emphasis on Rob Anders, Rahim Jaffer, etc not attending forums. At the most I heard it considered to be "arrogant" that Rob Anders didn't - like he assumed he'd just win. I don't think that anyone saw it as rejecting Alberta at the time.
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