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PostPosted: 09/ 20/ 05 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can you give us any examples of homosexual groups disavowing and disassociating from the ranting raving homosexuals currently protesting the free speech rights of churches in Boston?


I support subsection 176(2) of the Criminal Code of Canada which states:

"Every one who wilfully disturbs or interrupts an assemblage of persons met for religious worship or for a moral, social or benevolent purpose is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction."

If gay activists disrupt a fundamentalist Christian church service, they should be charged.

If fundamentalist Christians disrupt a gay church service, they should be charged.

The State must maintain peace and order amongst its citizens.
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PostPosted: 09/ 20/ 05 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"Every one who wilfully disturbs or interrupts an assemblage of persons met for religious worship or for a moral, social or benevolent purpose is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction."

If gay activists disrupt a fundamentalist Christian church service, they should be charged.

If fundamentalist Christians disrupt a gay church service, they should be charged.


Has anybody ever been convicted under this provision?
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PostPosted: 09/ 20/ 05 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Has anybody ever been convicted under this provision?


To my knowledge no. A few years back a radical feminist group disrupted a Catholic service. I am not sure if they were a lesbian group, but the two are usually synonymous. They entered a Catholic church in Montreal and terrified the elderly ladies praying, they threw used tampons on the alter and at the statue of the Blessed Mother., and other destructive behaviors I cannot remember all of the details. To my knowledge they were not charged.
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PostPosted: 09/ 20/ 05 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can you give us any examples of homosexual groups disavowing and disassociating from the ranting raving homosexuals currently protesting the free speech rights of churches in Boston?


I support subsection 176(2) of the Criminal Code of Canada which states:

"Every one who wilfully disturbs or interrupts an assemblage of persons met for religious worship or for a moral, social or benevolent purpose is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction."

If gay activists disrupt a fundamentalist Christian church service, they should be charged.

If fundamentalist Christians disrupt a gay church service, they should be charged.

The State must maintain peace and order amongst its citizens.


Since Ken Campbell was never charged with anything, that case is moot, and he didn't really disrupt anything anyway.
According to the article you posted, Erika Kubassek was "charged" but the charges dismissed.

I have no doubts whatsoever that, were Christians really guilty of disrupting homosexuals' services or gatherings of any kind, we would most certainly be prosecuted to the fullest (and then some) extent of the law, unlike homosexuals who attack and assault Christians.
Apparently nothing happened to Brent Hawkes for pushing Erika Kubassek, according to the article you posted.

The homosexuals who trashed a Montreal church several years back, throwing used sanitary products at the altar and glass-filled condoms at women and children, were NEVER charged.

I have yet to hear of any charges being laid against the "Gay Militia" who invaded and disrupted a Christian service held by Tristan Emmanuel last spring in Calgary.

Of course, some people are more equal than others. Smile

* I'm glad you at least support the law being applied equally Internationalist.
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PostPosted: 09/ 20/ 05 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is my copy and paste from the intellectual wanna be’s , Real women. Very Happy

http://www.realwomenca.com/newsletter/2000_May_Jun/article_7.html

"Hate" Crime Against Catholic Church
A group of feminists, calling themselves the "Collectif Autonome Feministe," were in Phillips Square in Montreal to protest their supposed oppression by the patriarchy. Following their protest, they donned ski masks and launched an assault on nearby Mary Queen of the World Catholic Cathedral. They spray-painted on the church, "Religion - A Trap for Fools," and erected a burning cross outside. Inside, they disrupted worshippers by spray-painting slogans on the altar, overturning flower pots, sticking used sanitary napkins on pictures and walls, and throwing condoms around the sanctuary ¯ while screaming in foul language their opposition to religion and claiming the right to abortion and freedom of speech. Since Quebec has the highest abortion rate in the Western world, their protests seem to come from somewhere in the Twilight Zone!
What is particularly striking about their ugly demonstration, however, is the reaction to it by police and the media.
The Police
The gallant Montreal police did not lay charges of hatred against an identifiable group (Catholics) as explicitly set out in S.318 of the Criminal Code. Instead, the police laid a single charge of "unlawful assembly" against seven of the demonstrators ¯ a charge for which it is notoriously difficult to obtain a conviction. Other possible offenses such as disrupting a clergyman in the performance of his duties; interrupting persons assembled for religious worship; nuisance; mischief to property; and theft (they stole two altar cloths) - appeared not to be "appropriate" according to the police. When questioned about why more obvious charges, such as inciting hatred, were not laid, a police spokesperson replied that there was no evidence of a "hate" crime here but merely a political statement (made by the ski-masked intruders!)
Concordia history professor Graeme Decarie supported the police in this astonishing conclusion with the trenchant thought that unlike attacks on synagogues and mosques, this attack was motivated by serious "policy" differences. We see. Hate crimes are truly special, and they only become "hateful" when the attacks are made on favoured, protected identifiable groups - attacks on all other groups are not "hateful."
The Media
Equally astonishing was the reaction of the media to this vile event. The only newspapers to cover it were the National Post., the Sarnia Observer and the Guelph Mercury. The Montreal Gazette, only a stone's throw away from the church (or, as noted by National Post columnist, Mark Steyn, "…only a sanitary napkin's throw away from the church"), made a brief reference to this event only on the back page of the newspaper. The article was nestled in between the classified ads for call girls, escort services and massages. This gives some indication as to how very unimportant this incident was to the editors of the Montreal Gazette.
In an editorial in the National Post on March 9th, entitled "Where is the Outrage?":
Imagine the reaction if a Jewish synagogue in Toronto was attacked by an anti-Semitic-mob, shouting insults and ripping up prayer books. Imagine if members of the Ku Klux Klan were to burn a cross on the front lawn of a black church in Halifax. The result takes little guessing ¯ these hateful acts would dominate the national media for days, and politicians would be denouncing the perpetrators.
Not only would the police charge those involved with everything from trespass to arson, to vandalism to spreading hatred against identifiable groups, but federal and provincial human rights commissions would slap the offenders with civil actions as well. The CBC's public soul-searching would be mind-numbing.
Well, it happened in Montreal ¯ but instead of a Jewish synagogue or a black church, it was a Catholic church that was attacked, robbed, vandalized and desecrated with a burning cross.
… Anti-Christian hostility is one of the last acceptable bigotries in Canada.
… Whenever such examples are cited to justify the charge of a double standard penalizing Christian groups, eyebrows are raised and shoulders politely shrugged. But we would never accept an attack on other religious groups and we should not remain silent when Catholics are the targets of intolerance.
Have we, as a nation, come to this: hypocrisy and blatant intolerance for the Christian faith?

Particularly alarming is the complacence of our legal system and the media to these attacks on the Christian faith in Canada. Human Rights Commissions repeatedly disparage Christian beliefs, as do our courts (such as in the Surrey School Board case). Much of the media fails to express any concern about these attacks on Christians. When the legal and social structures of society tolerate these attacks, it is not unreasonable to assume that Christians in Canada today are becoming genuine victims.
Hedy Fry is in need of "sensitivity" training - to make her sensitive to the attacks on all Canadians, including Christians.
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PostPosted: 09/ 20/ 05 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This would lend absurdity to the observation that a comparison of harlotry to homosexuality might be construed as hateful towards homosexuals.
Such a comparison would in fact elevate homosexuality.


Absurd you say, well you made the comparison not I...…Homosexuals have experienced hate yes your right. So have Jews. So have Catholics…so have Muslims, and on and on it goes. Become a man and face issues head on instead of running with your tail between your legs to mommy and daddy human rights to solve your problems for you.

BTW how many prostitutes do you know Guzman? I know quite a few and I happen to like them, but I do not know of one that likes what he /she does for a living. Do not presume to lecture me a Christian on prostitution or what we do right or wrong to homosexuals. Who started the aids hospices and to this day who takes care of the majority of dying aids patients? How many of these people have you volunteered with? I have taken the gloves off and I have done what God has given me the grace to do to help these people when the consequences of their behavior has left them so marginalized they no longer feel human. It sounds to me like Stephen has done the same. Therefore, you Mr. Guzman have to earn the right to lecture us on how to treat our fellow brother and sisters living in some of this despair. Get out there and volunteer with these people see first hand the effects of your anything goes society and then come back here and lecture me. My debate stops here because your comments have only served to show me that you have not earned the right to lecture me…I don't think you have a clue as to the level of despair we have seen, Your bigotry and hatred towards Christianity may be blinding you from the truth.

Uh oh, another one cutting and running.

Can’t deal with the argument so the tactic is to switch the spotlight to what the adversary may or may not have done to provide aid to the homosexual afflicted.
Doesn’t work Theresa.
Begin a self-righteous rant to distract from it if you will, but the argument is still there.

The aid that you say that you’ve given to afflicted homosexuals doesn’t give you licence to denounce them.
I don’t think that I’ve ever heard Mother Theresa carry on like some of these modern-day Christians
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PostPosted: 09/ 20/ 05 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Guzman Q wrote:

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This would lend absurdity to the observation that a comparison of harlotry to homosexuality might be construed as hateful towards homosexuals.
Such a comparison would in fact elevate homosexuality.


Absurd you say, well you made the comparison not I...…Homosexuals have experienced hate yes your right. So have Jews. So have Catholics…so have Muslims, and on and on it goes. Become a man and face issues head on instead of running with your tail between your legs to mommy and daddy human rights to solve your problems for you.

BTW how many prostitutes do you know Guzman? I know quite a few and I happen to like them, but I do not know of one that likes what he /she does for a living. Do not presume to lecture me a Christian on prostitution or what we do right or wrong to homosexuals. Who started the aids hospices and to this day who takes care of the majority of dying aids patients? How many of these people have you volunteered with? I have taken the gloves off and I have done what God has given me the grace to do to help these people when the consequences of their behavior has left them so marginalized they no longer feel human. It sounds to me like Stephen has done the same. Therefore, you Mr. Guzman have to earn the right to lecture us on how to treat our fellow brother and sisters living in some of this despair. Get out there and volunteer with these people see first hand the effects of your anything goes society and then come back here and lecture me. My debate stops here because your comments have only served to show me that you have not earned the right to lecture me…I don't think you have a clue as to the level of despair we have seen, Your bigotry and hatred towards Christianity may be blinding you from the truth.

Uh oh, another one cutting and running.

Can’t deal with the argument so the tactic is to switch the spotlight to what the adversary may or may not have done to provide aid to the homosexual afflicted.
Doesn’t work Theresa.
Begin a self-righteous rant to distract from it if you will, but the argument is still there.

The aid that you say that you’ve given to afflicted homosexuals doesn’t give you licence to denounce them.
I don’t think that I’ve ever heard Mother Theresa carry on like some of these modern-day Christians


Come on Guz, you are more mature than that. Surely you do not think that because we disagre with homosexuality we hate them?

BAAAAAWWWWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

My parents won't let me do whatever I want, they hate me, everybody hates me!!!!!

BAAAAAWWWWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

The argument of a child, a guilt trip used by a child to make parents feel guilty for being parents.... Headshake

Sad, very sad GuzmanQ..... d'oh!

But, this just demonstrates the brain activity of the homosexual community and their supporters......

So I guess this means that homosexuality is childish.....

Think hadn't thought about that , but I guess it makes sense...
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PostPosted: 09/ 20/ 05 11:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Wake Up!!! Reply with quote

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Rant, Rhetoric, Inflammatory.........stop whining about how I worded what I said and focus on the fact that promiscuity is destroying our society. We are moving towards 1 in 3 with an STD. That sounds quite inflammatory doesn’t it?

Well Stephen, I’ll call you Stephen now because I’ve been censured for for using the diminutive (Steve).
Seems “Steve” is seen to be a mite disrespectful by some of your fellow Christians.
Isn’t it strange though, that the same people don’t see your admitted rhetoric in the same light.

Something even more peculiar Stephen, is that while at first they (your supporters) denied that your rhetoric was rhetoric, they have since switched horses and now are justifying it, some with a flippant "So what" demeanor
It’s kinda hard to get a handle on this new Christianity when the rules change right before one’s very eyes.

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And Guzman...do you think that a politicians use of the term "war on poverty or war on drugs" implies that those below the poverty line and/or drug addicted should be beaten or put to death? I wrote the letter to "sound the alarm". In the truest sense of the word...it was rhetoric........so what. Considering that I was part of a Christian political lobby group, a Pastor and that the article was written about the propagators of homosexuality, one would require just a tiny dose of common sense to know that the steps to be taken were to be legal. Do I need to provide countless examples of what these “legal” steps could be? Oh but of course.....you thought I meant something different when you read my letter….ya…sure.

Have we gone so far down the drain in our society that we need to cater to the idiots, psychopaths and criminals when we write a letter to the editor?????

Aw, c’mon Stephen, you know as well as I that the ‘war on poverty’ (sic) is really the war against poverty. It’s just idiom.
On the other hand the kind of rhetoric that you used in the now infamous letter is hardly idiom.
Let me ask you this Stephen:
Are you so unsure of your position that you dare not present it on it’s own merit alone?
Must you resort to hyperbole to make your case?
When you do throw out excesses you’re not arguing your case anymore. And Stephen, it's only the very gullible that are taken in by this tactic.

Perhaps that works when you’re in the pulpit addressing the congregation but you can now see that the rest of us – even those of us who deplore homosexuality – want to distance ourselves from you.

Please stop embarassing us Stephen.


What do you mean "embarrassing US"? He doesn't embarrass me, so speak for yourself, I'll speak for me.Thank you very much. No Liberals
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PostPosted: 09/ 21/ 05 12:28 am    Post subject: CHRISTIAN MEETING ATTACKED BY GAY MILITIA Reply with quote

CHRISTIAN MEETING ATTACKED BY GAY MILITIA
CALGARY POLICE TO LAY CHARGES
HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION COMPLAINT TO BE FILED


(Calgary) The Concerned Christian Coalition Inc., (CCC) held it’s national convention in Calgary, Alberta on Saturday, April 17, 2004. At the national convention dinner the Gay Militia stormed the meeting with sticks, angry chants and verbally assaulted the delegates at hand. The dinner was being held in support of Rev. Stephen Boissoin who is currently being dragged before the Alberta Human Rights Commission for defending the Biblical view of homosexuality. Half of all profits were donated to Rev. Stephen Boissoin and fundraising will continue in order to help offset his legal costs. Further, information on Rev. Stephen Boissoin can be found at www.concernedchristians.ca

"I was dumbfounded at the fact that the Gay Militia would storm into a private meeting where we were praying and discussing Bill C-250 a bill that will affect our freedom as Christians to discuss certain beliefs. Just as our guest speaker Rev. Tristan Emmanuel was discussing how Bill C-250 is about silencing our freedom of speech and freedom of assembly the Gay Militia stormed the meeting and proved the point," stated Jim Blake, CCC Business Chair.

The CCC feels that all groups have a right to freedom of speech, freedom of religion and the freedom to assemble and protect their deep held personal and moral beliefs. "We are very concerned about the Christophobia and the growing hatred towards Christians in Canada. We are also very concerned that the media continually ignores the blatantly bigoted actions of the militant minority in this country. Can you imagine if our organization stormed a Homosexual gathering? It would be on the front page of every paper in the country and the headlines would not be flattering towards us," continued Blake.

The Calgary City Police arrived at the event just moments after the Gay Militia was cleared out by hotel security. The Calgary Police Service seized all the videotapes but one and some video footage has been placed on the internet at http://www.justicenetworkcanada.com/justicenetworkcanada.com.rmvb and on the CCC website of www.concernedchristians.ca The Calgary Police Service has assured the CCC that charges will be laid against members of the Gay Militia when they are found. The CCC has cited 3 sections of the Criminal Code that have been breached by the Gay Militia. Those sections are as follows:

175-1 A i Causing A Disturbance - every person who not being in a dwelling house causes a disturbance in or near a public place by fighting, screaming, shouting, swearing, singing or using insulting or obscene language.

176 2 Disturbing a Religious Worship - everyone who willfully disturbs or interrupts and assemblage of persons met for religious worship or for a moral, social or benevolent purpose is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

265 1 B Assault - A person commits an assault when he attempts or threatens by an act or a gesture to apply force to another person if he has or causes that other person to believe on reasonable grounds that he has present ability to affect his purpose.
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PostPosted: 09/ 21/ 05 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heres what I get when I go to http://www.justicenetworkcanada.com/

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PostPosted: 09/ 21/ 05 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In an editorial in the National Post on March 9th, entitled "Where is the Outrage?"


What was the verifiable result of that, Theresa? (I say "verifiable" because I have learned to ask for "verifiable" answers from everyone. It saves my own behind.)
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What was the verifiable result of that, Theresa? (I say "verifiable" because I have learned to ask for "verifiable" answers from everyone. It saves my own behind.)


I am sorry I don't understand the question?
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Has anybody ever been convicted under this provision?


To my knowledge no. A few years back a radical feminist group disrupted a Catholic service. I am not sure if they were a lesbian group, but the two are usually synonymous. They entered a Catholic church in Montreal and terrified the elderly ladies praying, they threw used tampons on the alter and at the statue of the Blessed Mother., and other destructive behaviors I cannot remember all of the details. To my knowledge they were not charged.


There are probably few crown prosecutors who would want to get entangled in the morass created by a fight involving the fems, gays and religious groups. Laughing

BTW, I have as healthy a disrespect for religion as anybody but I do think they have a right to hold their meetings without disruption.
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Uh oh, another one cutting and running.

Can’t deal with the argument so the tactic is to switch the spotlight to what the adversary may or may not have done to provide aid to the homosexual afflicted.
Doesn’t work Theresa.
Begin a self-righteous rant to distract from it if you will, but the argument is still there.


Yeah that would be me cutting and running Rolling Eyes and that would be you avoiding the context of the confrontation as usual.
You are correct about the self righteous rant…it was not necessary and I allowed myself a weak a moment of irritation with you. Point conceded.

You are all talk and no action Guz. You speak like a homosexual but you are very quick to accuse me of bearing false witness when I publicly tell you I think you are homosexual. According to you me calling you a homosexual in public is equivalent to you calling me a harlot in public. I think you assumed that I would be highly offended if you called me a harlot in public.( I wasn't) Therefore I am assuming by your comparison that I highly offended you by referring to you as homosexual in public. Why don't you want to be referred to as homosexual in public? What does it matter? Let me get this right, you accuse me of hating homosexuals. You publicly defend them to rant against Christians, but God forbid no one can suggest you are one. That would be a mortal sin.

Guzman Q wrote:

Well Theresa, you’re free to assume anything that you like.
But you made an unqualified public assertion.
Theresa wrote:
Guzman is part of a community that can be very aggressive when it comes to using inciteful language … homosexuals..

There can be no doubt Theresa that you have publicly branded me a “homosexual”.

I’m also free to assume anything that I like
For example, I’m free to assume that you Theresa are a harlot.
But if I say so publicly, if I aver it, then I’m sure that you’d have the HRC descending upon me pronto, and rightfully so.


You tell me that I would run to Human Rights if I were called something I wasn’t. I point out that I have been called many things…including having my physical safety threatened. I told you to act like a man and face things head on instead of running to mommy and daddy human rights. You did not address that Guzman. Why? Because you need mommy and daddy human rights to silence those who oppose you?


Your bigotry towards anything Christian has stunted (IMO completely) your ability to reason on any issue that has a Christian slant. Therefore discussion with you is pointless. You don’t have a clue Guz, you drank the Kool-aid and you believe everything you have been spoon fed about Christians. That is sad, because your bigotry is blinding you to the truth of what is happening in society right now. The sexual revolution is a failure, but we cannot accept that fact because then we might have to put constraints on our behavior. We will instead deny the truth and silence those who oppose us.

You tell me now Guzman how does the silencing of christians and the advancement of homosexuality enhance our society? How has and does sexual liberation enhance our society? Who pays the health care costs for all of this behavior? Who pays for the emotional cost for all of this? You will silence Christians and one by one all of the social safety nets set up by the Christians will close shop, then what? Will it be you and your homosexual community who steps up to the plate and feeds the poor, opens the aids hospices…ministers to the homeless? Tell me Guz what homosexual charities can I donate to, to help them in their cause to help the needy? I am just asking an honest to goodness question. According to you and your community, Christians have caused all of this pain and suffering, to the point that men like Stephen, Bishop Henry, Chris Kempling, are silenced….. What do we get in exchange for these men? Pride Parades!!!! More sex ed in school, sex, sex and more sex…. Maybe you can direct me to an information outlet that educates me on how the homosexual community will step in and replace all of the Christian workers out there who are presently keeping the social safety net together? Or maybe Guz, you and your friend just want the taxpayer to foot the bill, after you succeed in silencing the Christians?
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PostPosted: 09/ 21/ 05 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somehow I think this Simpson’s lyrical parody has messages for both GQ & Theresa:

kid: Hey! Who left all this garbage on the steps of Congress?

rolled up amendment: I'm not garbage.

(singing to the tune of Schoolhouse Rock’s “I’m just a Bill”)
I'm an amendment to be, yes an amendment to be,
and I'm hopin' that they'll ratify me.
There's a lot of flag burners who have got too much freedom.
I wanna make it legal for policemen to beat 'em,
cause there's limits to our liberties.
'Least I hope and pray that there are,
cause those liberal freaks go too far.

kid: Well why can't we just make a law against flag burning?

Amendment: Because that law would be unconstitutional.
But if we changed the Constitution...

kid: Then we could make all sorts of crazy laws!

Amendment: Now you're catching on!

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Bart: What the hell is this?

Lisa: It's one of those campy 70's throwbacks that appeals to Generation-X'ers.

Bart: We need another Vietnam to thin out their ranks a little.

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Kid: What if people say you're not good enough to be in the Constitution?

Amendment (singing):
Then I'll crush all opposition to me,
and I'll make Ted Kennedy pay.
If he fights back, I'll say that he's gay.

Congressman: Good news, Amendment! They ratified ya! You're in the U.S. Constitution.

Amendment: Oh yeah! Door's open, boys.

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