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| SovietCanuckistan wrote: | Liberal solution to everything:
LIE and laugh as gullible stupid Canucks believe them.
Jean was stupid for not blaming Harper for this mess though. She must be learning the ropes, I guess. |
The speeches that was made was probable writen by the same person so that they would reflect each other properly.
They fully expect it to all go away now. THe Monarchists have already caved
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| Posted: 08/ 17/ 05 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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I don't really find this:
"I want to tell you unequivocally that both he and I are proud to be Canadians and that we have the greatest respect for the institutions of our country. we are fully committed to Canada. I would not have accepted this position otherwise.
We are equally proud of the attachment to Quebec that we have always shown beyond any partisan considerations. Let me be clear: we have never belonged to a political party or the separatist movement."
to be a ringing endorsement of federalism - nor is it a denouncement of separatism and its goals.
The greatest respect for our institutions? Fully committed to what aspect of Canada? Is she referring to the "institution" of multiculturalism? The monarchy she is supposed to represent (and which, btw, was not mentioned)? The great liberal institution that allows people who have divided loyalties (in her case, Que, France, and Canada) to serve in our highest office? Fully committed to the ideas of affirmative action that have served her so well?
Equally proud of their attachment to Que - to their separatist friends and associates?
This answers few concerns, IMHO. It is the expected, canned response; she could do no less, and could have done substantially more.
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| Enn Location: Ottawa Gender: Male
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| Posted: 08/ 17/ 05 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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At another thread Littleharbour wrote:
| Quote: | | Is it just me, or does this sound like it was crafted by a lawyer with the same skill as the one who came up with "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky"? |
On the subject of weasel words, Mr. Dithers' official statment leaves enough wiggle room to accept her declination of the position should enough dirt be exposed:
Statement by the Prime Minister
| Quote: | | "In recent days, Michaëlle Jean, the Governor General Designate, and her husband, Jean-Daniel Lafond, have found themselves the subject of controversy. Mme Jean has seen her and her husband’s loyalty to Canada questioned, particularly by hard-line separatists. |
Yeah, hard-line separatists like David Frum, Andrew Coyne, Arthur Weinreb, Paul Wells and Pierre Bourque.
| Quote: | | Canadians have a right to know that the occupants of Rideau Hall are unquestionably dedicated to Canada. At the time of her appointment, the Governor General Designate spoke forcefully of her love for our country. Today, Mme Jean has again declared clearly and unequivocally that both she and her husband are fully committed to Canada. |
"But, but, she said.....!" 
| Quote: | | As Prime Minister, I have spoken at length with Mme Jean about her deep attachment to our country. There is no doubt in my mind that her devotion to Canada is longstanding and resolute. |
You can be a separatist and still be devoted to a Canada without Quebec.
| Quote: | | That is why I recommended her for appointment. And that is why she enjoys my unqualified support as she prepares to assume the post of Governor General. |
Unqualified support? That's ambiguous at best.
| Quote: | | I have every confidence that she and her husband will serve with dignity, distinction and energy.” |
(Regardless of whether they are separatists or not.)
Thanks Styky for posting Andrew Coyne's powerful and well-reasoned article from the National Post.
Below is what he also wrote in his blog today: http://andrewcoyne.com/
AUGUST 17, 2005
Not a separatist -- just unqualified
So she's not a separatist, and has never belonged to a political party. Bully for her. Was she a separatist in the past, even if she did not actually join the party? Does she renounce her past statements, and those of her husband? For that matter, will she renounce her French citizenship?
How far our expectations have sunk. Because she's not currently working to bring about the destruction of the country, that makes her an appropriate choice for Governor General? She drinks toasts with the founder of the FLQ, her husband hangs around with Pierre Laporte's murderers, she's supposed to represent the Queen as a citizen of the French Republic, and she's known outside Quebec, if at all, as the presenter of hysterically anti-American documentaries on Newsworld.
She has no record of service to the country, no outstanding accomplishments to her name, no specialized knowledge of law, politics or the constitution. In a crisis, what credibility would she have? If the minority government were to attempt to rule without the confidence of the House -- again -- would anyone listen to her opinion on the matter? If the country were to be plunged into the constitutional void of a unilateral secession bid, would Canadians rally to her side -- whichever side that was?
This isn't a sales clerk we're hiring. This is supposed to be the position of supreme honour and prestige in the country, one with important symbolic and substantive roles. It should be filled by titans, revered national icons, whose love of country is reflected in the love their country has for them.
In this, of all nations, does it make sense to choose as the focus of allegiance a dual citizen whose views on Quebec's place in Canada are at best uncertain? At this, of all times, is it not a requirement of the job that its occupant be able to command the unswerving respect and loyalty of Canadians?
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The separatist-GG story has already made the Telegraph in the UK. I hope it will continue to receive international attention until Jean is ultimately forced to decline the appointment.
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| Posted: 08/ 17/ 05 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Wednesday » August 17 » 2005
Draft text of statements by Jean, PM
Statement by governor general-designate Michaelle Jean
I am deeply touched and wish to thank all those who have so warmly greeted the news of my recent nomination to the office of Governor General of Canada, both of you. Others have questioned my attachment to Canada and my husband, Jean-Daniel Lafond, rest assured that I am very attached to my husband.
I want to tell you unequivocally that both he and I are proud to be fooling Canadians and that we have the greatest respect for the institutions of our country, Quebec. We are fully committed to being paid in Canadian dollars though and I would not have accepted this position otherwise.
We are equally proud of the attachment to Quebec independance that we have always shown beyond any partisan considerations. Let me be clear: we have never belonged to a political party or the separatist movement even though we voted for them.
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| The Cyber Menace Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Total posts: 2101 Location: Burlington, Ontario Gender: Male
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| Posted: 08/ 17/ 05 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| styky wrote: | | THe Monarchists have already caved |
Got a link?  (or did I miss something earlier in this thread?  ) |
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Draft text of statement by the Prime Minister
“In recent days, Michaelle Jean, the governor general-designate, and her husband, Jean-Daniel Lafond, have found themselves the subject of controversy. Madame Jean has seen her and her husband's loyalty to Canada questioned, particularly by hard-line separatists such as David Frum, Andrew Coyne, Arthur Weinreb, Paul Wells and Pierre Bourque, among others.
As my spokesperson Scott Reid so eloquently reassured both myself and the public: "Understand this: the Governor General is not selected from a scratch-and-win ticket."
Although he also reminded us that "We're not about to start turning over their underwear drawer” I would like to assure you that Michaelle Jean spoke to me forcefully about her love for her country, and I am reasonably confident she didn’t mean France, her country of dual citizenship.
As Prime Minister of The Land of Tomorrow, I have spoken at length with Madame Jean about her deep attachment to our country. Let there be no mind in my doubt, and that is why I very, very much recommended her for appointment.
My support for her is unqualified, and it will continue to be unqualified, and that is why I have every confidence that she and her husband will serve with dignity, distinction and energy.“
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| Posted: 08/ 17/ 05 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| The Cyber Menace wrote: | | styky wrote: | | THe Monarchists have already caved |
Got a link? (or did I miss something earlier in this thread? ) |
I can't find anything written yet but I heard it in an on air interview on the radio shortly after the GG's statement was released
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| The Cyber Menace Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Total posts: 2101 Location: Burlington, Ontario Gender: Male
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| Posted: 08/ 17/ 05 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| styky wrote: | | The Cyber Menace wrote: | | styky wrote: | | THe Monarchists have already caved |
Got a link? (or did I miss something earlier in this thread? ) |
I can't find anything written yet but I heard it in an on air interview on the radio shortly after the GG's statement was released |
Aimers is playing an interesting game here.
He practically wet himself with glee when Jean was first appointed. Then I think there was a membership backlash, which forced him to come out demanding answers. He barely got that, if even, and he goes back to going ga-ga over her?
I have a funny feeling people are going to start to look twice at the way the Monarchist League functions. And I certainly don't think the membership was appeased with Jean's statement today. |
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| The Cyber Menace Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Total posts: 2101 Location: Burlington, Ontario Gender: Male
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STATEMENT BY JOHN AIMERS, DOMINION CHAIRMAN
THE MONARCHIST LEAGUE OF CANADA
IN RESPONSE TO MME MICHAELLE JEAN’S AUGUST 17 STATEMENT
This afternoon, Canadians have heard directly from our next Governor General. Mme Jean’s statement constitutes an unambiguous assurance of her loyalty to Canada and its institutions. I believe that most Canadians will now feel more than ready to re-kindle the enthusiasm they felt when Mme Jean was introduced to us at the time of her nomination several weeks ago. Further controversy can only serve a divisive agenda. It is now time for everyone to rally behind Mme. Jean, to offer her our support during what must have been a very difficult period for her personally and to do all in our power to ensure her time as The Queen’s representative reflects the promise of her many talents, her dedication and her commitment to the important work which lies ahead of her.
http://members.boardhost.com/monarchist/msg/18898.html |
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| Posted: 08/ 17/ 05 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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Nothing under there new releases for today except a piece on on little the GG actually cost. 
I guess we are supposed to thing, well if she does not cost that much what the heck lets just keep her. 
http://www.newswire.ca/en/search/index.cgi?okey=67503&Submit=Submit&FormType=general&Flags=31&AllDates=&StartDate=&EndDate=
Canada's monarchy costs $1.54 per Canadian per year
TORONTO, Aug. 17 /CNW/ - The annual cost of the Canadian Crown to each
resident is roughly the same as that of a chocolate bar. The $1.54 per
Canadian per annum figure is revealed in the Monarchist League of Canada's
triennial survey which totals the expenses of official Royal Homecomings, the
Governor General and Lieutenant Governors' offices and the historic houses in
which the vice-regal officeholders live and work.
Of particular note is the forecast $10 million reduction between 2004
($41 million) and 2005 ($31 million) in overall spending on behalf of the
Governor General's Office. This is largely due to reduced overseas travel, and
diminished capital project expenditure for Rideau Hall by the NCC.
The survey also found that the Governor General and Lieutenant Governors
undertake over 4,000 engagements annually in representing The Queen.
No money flows from Canada to Britain in support of The Queen's
Commonwealth-wide responsibilities. However, the Monarchy actually creates a
surplus of $5.29 per UK resident due to revenue from Crown lands outweighing
the cost of the Royal Family.
A link to the complete Survey appears on the front page of the Monarchist
League's web site at www.monarchist.ca
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| Posted: 08/ 17/ 05 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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Today on 580 CFRA Ottawa, Mike Harris (not the ex-PM) saw clearly through the obfuscation of Ms. Jean and Mr. Dithers' official statements, and demanded answers to why Ms. Jean and her hubby were dining and toasting Quebec independence with Quebec separatists and questioned why hubby Lafond had his home library, complete with a hidden weapons facility, constructed by former FLQ member, convicted political terrorist and murder Jacques Rose.
As was pointed out on the talk show, this couple will be laying a wreath on behalf of all Canadians at the National Cenotaph in Ottawa for the next 5 years on Nov. 11?
Why did Mr. Dithers appoint them as representatives of the Queen in Canada if not for purely self-centred political reasons?
Why don't we have confirmation hearing in Canada to vet these nominations? This process would have spared our country this great embarrassment.
Who will champion the closure to the unanswered questions:
- were Jean and Lafond previously separatist sympathizers, and are they stilll now?
- will Jean renounce her French citizenship (or will the French take it away first to comply with their laws?)
- why did Lafond hire a convicted political murderer and former member of the terrorist separatist group the FLQ, to remodel his home library?
- what did Jean mean when she replied:
| Quote: | Vallieres later says: "Not only should Martinique go to independence, but to revolution, as Quebec should."
To that, Jean replies: "Yes, one doesn't give independence, one takes it." |
- what did Lafond mean when he said:
| Quote: | | "So, a sovereign Quebec? An independent Quebec. Yes, I applaud with both hands and I promise to attend all the St-Jean Baptiste Day parades," the cinematographer wrote. |
Lafond will not be just a closet husband: he will be her escort to official State functions where she represents Canada to the Presidents and Prime Ministers of other countries.
Who will champion the mission to get the answers?
Not the Liberals. Scott Reid, that arrogant, belligerent SOB mouthpiece for Mr. Dithers said:
| Quote: | | We're not about to start turning over their underwear drawer. |
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| Quote: | | "Understand this: the Governor General is not selected from a scratch-and-win ticket." |
Not the NDP. Senior MP Ed Broadbent said today he was satisfied with the weasel-worded official statements by Jean and the PM today, and that we should accept the appointment.
Will the Bloq Quebecois speak for Canada? Ha!
Who's left but the CPC. The CPC must champion the roadmap to get the answers.
Pierre Poilievre (CPC MP Nepean—Carleton) commented today that the answers provided by the GG-D and PM today were unacceptable since they did not address the history of Jean and Lafond and the numerous unanswered questions.
Harper said today that the PM still has questions to answer. Canada needs real answers, and if Jean and Lafond were separatist sympathizers, either officially or unofficially, they are unsuitable as Canada's vice-Regal couple and her appointment must be rescinded. Harper must ensure this fiasco is resolved to the satisfaction of the Canadian people. This is Harper's opportunity to shine.
Equally importantly, Mr. Dithers should be hauled over the coals for his clearly political appointment, and the GG selection process (along with other appointments including judicial) must be revised to include a legitimate parliamentary vetting and approval process in the future.
This is another golden opportunity for the CPC to communicate with Canadians, stand up and fight for them and win them over.
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| Posted: 08/ 18/ 05 3:02 am Post subject: |
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I fully support the Governor General designate’s right and freedoms to believe as she sees fit. As a society, we cannot demand that she change her beliefs.
The FLQ was (and perhaps still is) a clandestine organization formed to engage in terrorism and the eventual armed secession of Quebec.
As a subversive organization, the FLQ did not (does not?) sell memberships and hold public meeting to further its cause. Its goal was to get our attention through acts of terrorism and to capitulate to its willingness to use violence and its threat of armed insurrection.
No one claims to be a member of a clandestine subversive group. It is contrary to the objects of the organization. Part of the mystique of subversive groups is to pretend to represent a very large and organized group that includes many people in high places.
The GG designate and her consort were and are vulnerable to adulation and subversion by hard-core separatists who advocate and support violence as a means to an end.
The separatists desperately want support, no matter how lukewarm, from social elites and people in power. They want to be able to whisper to prospective converts that their support reaches into the highest offices. The inference is that at the opportune moment, these supporters will step forward to lead the insurrection.
Madam Jean’s evasive public statement combined with retention of French citizenship is sufficient to disqualify her as a potential Governor General. Her avowed commitment to Quebec is unacceptable for a position that requires that every province of the nation be treated as an equal.
This is not a criminal matter where the public must prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt.
Nor is this a popularity contest where a majority must favour the designate.
Prime Minister Paul Martin has chosen a candidate who is clearly unqualified for the position of Governor General.
We do not want or need Paul Martin’s assurance that Madam Jean is qualified. His opinion is biased and irrelevant. His refusal to admit an error is despicable.
We are dealing with the highest appointed office in Canada, and an impeccable record of supporting and serving Canada first, last and always is a requisite of office.
We are entitled to a Governor General designate who has clearly demonstrated his or her qualifications for the position. Nothing less will suffice.
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| Posted: 08/ 18/ 05 6:58 am Post subject: |
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Michaelle Jean's alleged statement includes the words "Let me be clear...". Now who do you know who overuses that phrase constantly?
Jean's statement wasn't written by Jean. It was written by someone in the PMO, and maybe Dithers himself. I can't prove it, but I'd bet something serious on it. Notice how it was followed up 20 minutes later by a statement from Martin. I'll bet the same person wrote both statements. It's just one more attempt at damage control by the PMO. Meaningless otherwise.
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| Evilgenius wrote: | Michaelle Jean's alleged statement includes the words "Let me be clear...". Now who do you know who overuses that phrase constantly?
Jean's statement wasn't written by Jean. It was written by someone in the PMO, and maybe Dithers himself. I can't prove it, but I'd bet something serious on it. Notice how it was followed up 20 minutes later by a statement from Martin. I'll bet the same person wrote both statements. It's just one more attempt at damage control by the PMO. Meaningless otherwise. |
It is so obvious that this entire defence was orchestrated by the PMO. How else does a 1/4 page column appear in today's National Post, by a Martin advisor, telling us we all need to accept Jean's "statement" without question. It would take hours to write and edit such a piece and, given the deadlines of the national newspapers, this had to have been pre-prepared in order to get into today's paper. I suspect that Jean has been hidden away by Martin's people while they were getting their full court press ready for yesterday's launch. The Liberals prove once again that they are the masters of propoganda.  |
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| Enn wrote: | | Why don't we have confirmation hearing in Canada to vet these nominations? |
Because Canada's system of government is more about preserving the aristocratic elements of 17th century England than about 21st century democracy. We get just enough self-rule to keep us from rebelling, and no more.
| Enn wrote: | | This is Harper's opportunity to shine. |
Nope. Harper is in a very delicate spot here. There is next to nothing he can do to stop the her from becoming GG, and if he is going to be the next PM he will need to have a good working relationship with her. Going on the warpath over this will not help the Conservative cause at all. Opposition has to start with the average Canadian, not a political party.
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