Amalgamation of Canada and the United States of America

For discussion of Canadian constitutional issues, and the organization of the Republican Party of Canada.

Do you think a merger would be good for Canada?

Yes through annexation
18
17%
Yes through a political union like the EU
12
11%
Yes through a political union based on something different from EU
20
19%
No! Canada must remain separate
55
52%
 
Total votes : 105

Amalgamation of Canada and the United States of America

Postby Hasdrubul » 09/ 18/ 04 7:11 pm

Ok folks we are all here for a good cause. Now that I have gotten to know what this site is all about it is now time to introduce a new concept hardly mentioned on this site. This proposal is one where many of you will oppose and other will strongly consider. The following exert is from the introductory comment proposed by Johnathan Weelwright.


Amalgamation of Canada and the United States of America

by, Jonathan Wheelwright


Is the 49th parallel an unmalleable line, set for all time to be the divider between two parallel worlds? Just why do the United States stop at an arbitrary line? Are we destined to be one nation under two political entities? Is what differentiates our two countries greater than what we share in common? As Europe unites, will North America stagnate and fall behind, squabbling over trivial differences? Are Canadians and Americans really so different? Would Canada stand to gain or lose in being part of a larger group of United States? Would the United States gain or lose from a United North America without borders?

"United we stand, divided we fall."


In basic terms Canadians are also Americans. Our governments may be very different but individually our beliefs are very similar. The proposal of a merger between the United States and Canada does not have to be annexation but it could be something like a political union.

The first time such a proposal be laid down in Ottawa it would proberly cause a big political up roar and amy initially be rejected by the socialists. Ultimately the goal is to gain more support and talk reunification in some way or another. Canada will have to change and so won't the United States for a political union which I believe is feasible. So what do you think of what changes should implemented in both nations?

Visit the site and tell me what you think:
http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/home.htm
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Postby High Church » 09/ 18/ 04 7:28 pm

I consider all talk of dissolution of Canada, through separatism in Quebec or Alberta, union with the US, or the handing over of our sovereignty to international bodies like the UN or WTO, to be tantamount to treason to the Crown.
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Re: Amalgamation of Canada and the United States of America

Postby Reformer4Life » 09/ 18/ 04 7:31 pm

Hasdrubul wrote:Ok folks we are all here for a good cause. Now that I have gotten to know what this site is all about it is now time to introduce a new concept hardly mentioned on this site. This proposal is one where many of you will oppose and other will strongly consider. The following exert is from the introductory comment proposed by Johnathan Weelwright.


Amalgamation of Canada and the United States of America

by, Jonathan Wheelwright


Is the 49th parallel an unmalleable line, set for all time to be the divider between two parallel worlds? Just why do the United States stop at an arbitrary line? Are we destined to be one nation under two political entities? Is what differentiates our two countries greater than what we share in common? As Europe unites, will North America stagnate and fall behind, squabbling over trivial differences? Are Canadians and Americans really so different? Would Canada stand to gain or lose in being part of a larger group of United States? Would the United States gain or lose from a United North America without borders?

"United we stand, divided we fall."


In basic terms Canadians are also Americans. Our governments may be very different but individually our beliefs are very similar. The proposal of a merger between the United States and Canada does not have to be annexation but it could be something like a political union.

The first time such a proposal be laid down in Ottawa it would proberly cause a big political up roar and amy initially be rejected by the socialists. Ultimately the goal is to gain more support and talk reunification in some way or another. Canada will have to change and so won't the United States for a political union which I believe is feasible. So what do you think of what changes should implemented in both nations?

Visit the site and tell me what you think:
http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/home.htm



Your logo implies an American takeover of Canada.
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Postby Hasdrubul » 09/ 18/ 04 7:36 pm

High Church wrote:I consider all talk of dissolution of Canada, through separatism in Quebec or Alberta, union with the US, or the handing over of our sovereignty to international bodies like the UN or WTO, to be tantamount to treason to the Crown.

As a matter of fact I'll admit it as a true American Canadian I fully renounce the Quuen and any King that that continues to symbollically oppress our nation. Maintaining the monarchy is a treasonous act against the Canadian people and if I would risk arrest by turning my back to the false head of state in dishonour. We are tied to the United States they are our brothers and if you like the that much leave my country! Canada must have a head of state other then pitiful Europeans that don't have our best interest in mind. SO GROW UP OPPRESSIONIST! :x
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Postby Reformer4Life » 09/ 18/ 04 7:37 pm

Hasdrubul wrote:
High Church wrote:I consider all talk of dissolution of Canada, through separatism in Quebec or Alberta, union with the US, or the handing over of our sovereignty to international bodies like the UN or WTO, to be tantamount to treason to the Crown.

As a matter of fact I'll admit it as a true American Canadian I fully renounce the Quuen and any King that that continues to symbollically oppress our nation. Maintaining the monarchy is a treasonous act against the Canadian people and if I would risk arrest by turning my back to the false head of state in dishonour. We are tied to the United States they are our brothers and if you like the that much leave my country! Canada must have a head of state other then pitiful Europeans that don't have our best interest in mind. SO GROW UP OPPRESSIONIST! :x


You sound like a liberal.
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Re: Amalgamation of Canada and the United States of America

Postby Hasdrubul » 09/ 18/ 04 7:41 pm

Reformer4Life wrote:
our logo implies an American takeover of Canada.


I'm not going to deny that I believe in anneation. However I'm open to a political union as well. My overall goal is one of the creation of a Canadian States of America or a Canadian Republic to create oppurtunities and to allow an influx of Canadians into the United States and the latter.
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Postby netsurfer » 09/ 18/ 04 7:44 pm

High Church wrote:tantamount to treason to the Crown.


Perhaps, but when the Crown is represented by the likes of Assistant Queen Adrienne one can hardly blame the populace for becoming restless. :roll: :x ;)
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Postby Hasdrubul » 09/ 18/ 04 7:46 pm

Reformer4Life wrote:
Hasdrubul wrote:
High Church wrote:I consider all talk of dissolution of Canada, through separatism in Quebec or Alberta, union with the US, or the handing over of our sovereignty to international bodies like the UN or WTO, to be tantamount to treason to the Crown.

As a matter of fact I'll admit it as a true American Canadian I fully renounce the Quuen and any King that that continues to symbollically oppress our nation. Maintaining the monarchy is a treasonous act against the Canadian people and if I would risk arrest by turning my back to the false head of state in dishonour. We are tied to the United States they are our brothers and if you like the that much leave my country! Canada must have a head of state other then pitiful Europeans that don't have our best interest in mind. SO GROW UP OPPRESSIONIST! :x


You sound like a liberal.


I disagree with you on that analysis, a Liberal would attack anyone who supports American Republicans, and anyone who opposes the Monarchy. Remeber our last deputy Prime Minister? He spoke out and know he's gone. By the way I voted for the Conservative party.
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Postby High Church » 09/ 18/ 04 7:50 pm

Reformer4Life wrote:
Hasdrubul wrote:
High Church wrote:I consider all talk of dissolution of Canada, through separatism in Quebec or Alberta, union with the US, or the handing over of our sovereignty to international bodies like the UN or WTO, to be tantamount to treason to the Crown.

As a matter of fact I'll admit it as a true American Canadian I fully renounce the Quuen and any King that that continues to symbollically oppress our nation. Maintaining the monarchy is a treasonous act against the Canadian people and if I would risk arrest by turning my back to the false head of state in dishonour. We are tied to the United States they are our brothers and if you like the that much leave my country! Canada must have a head of state other then pitiful Europeans that don't have our best interest in mind. SO GROW UP OPPRESSIONIST! :x


You sound like a liberal.
Yes he does. As do so many so-called conservatives today, who actually seek to conserve nothing.

And netsurfer, one can disagree with a person, while still respecting a position. I am at severe odds with Paul Martin, but respect the office which he holds.
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Postby Hasdrubul » 09/ 18/ 04 7:59 pm

High Church wrote:
Reformer4Life wrote:
Hasdrubul wrote:
High Church wrote:I consider all talk of dissolution of Canada, through separatism in Quebec or Alberta, union with the US, or the handing over of our sovereignty to international bodies like the UN or WTO, to be tantamount to treason to the Crown.

As a matter of fact I'll admit it as a true American Canadian I fully renounce the Quuen and any King that that continues to symbollically oppress our nation. Maintaining the monarchy is a treasonous act against the Canadian people and if I would risk arrest by turning my back to the false head of state in dishonour. We are tied to the United States they are our brothers and if you like the that much leave my country! Canada must have a head of state other then pitiful Europeans that don't have our best interest in mind. SO GROW UP OPPRESSIONIST! :x


You sound like a liberal.
Yes he does. As do so many so-called conservatives today, who actually seek to conserve nothing.

And netsurfer, one can disagree with a person, while still respecting a position. I am at severe odds with Paul Martin, but respect the office which he holds.


Defeatism at its best! Canadians who sit and do nothing and except our system for what it is.
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Postby High Church » 09/ 18/ 04 8:18 pm

You seem to be quite immature, and unable to handle any challenge to your beliefs without resorting to emotionalism.

So, I will not continue further in this discussion.
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Postby westdefender » 09/ 18/ 04 8:29 pm

First things first. When canadians finally decide that they don't won't to be run by Quebec, something might change. Until then it is business as usual.
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Postby Splendor Sine Occasu » 09/ 18/ 04 8:38 pm

Amalgamation of Canada and the United States of America


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Postby Hasdrubul » 09/ 18/ 04 8:40 pm

High Church wrote:You seem to be quite immature, and unable to handle any challenge to your beliefs without resorting to emotionalism.

So, I will not continue further in this discussion.

You can't stand the fact many Canadians oppose your belief system and you seem to be in denial of the truth. You seem to be a uneducated very closed minded British subject. You claim that I can't handle your challenges but came out as a very mature American. As I alright said you like other leftists on this forum are content on Canada's flawed system. Monarchists like yourself intend to give weak arguments why we should keep the Monarchy but remember this:

WE ARE AMERICAN
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Postby Hasdrubul » 09/ 18/ 04 8:46 pm

westdefender wrote:First things first. When canadians finally decide that they don't won't to be run by Quebec, something might change. Until then it is business as usual.

I will not diagree with you. Quebec does run Canada too mnuch but Ottawa is also to blame. A NAU I beleive will create better oppurtunities for all Canadians.
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