Crush wrote:Red Green wrote: I think a prime time speaking spot at the convention (setting himself up for 201) would have been the proper price to demand.
Having a speaking spot sounds like something the media created to indirectly imply they didn't want the Pauls in the White House. The original rumor was that they were looking at Rand to be on VP ticket with Romney. That goes way back to last winter. That's what I supported as a HUGE victory. A speaking spot at the convention is useless and wouldn't even be televised. Ron Paul GAVE UP debating Romny on
national television, one on one because HE WAS IN ALLIANCE WITH HIM SO HE COULD GET RAND INTO OFFICE (IMO being taken advantage of and used by a Con artist). Rand admitted and said he would be honored to be VP if he was asked. Rumors say he is a second pick. Don't forget how good of a speaker he is. He also represents the south, AND the Liberty movement. Romney represents the North. It's a good fit in my opinion. He was also surgeon, not a money junkie. People respect that.
Wow, loose one race and call it quits, eh? I can see why you're not down here campaigning for Ron Paul I have campaigned in 2008 and this year and both times I did not think he was going to win. That being said, we have had some huge victories and you want to ignore those because we did not get the big prize. Silly, self-defeatist attitude if you ask me.
Just like Rand said in the interview, you need to get realistic. I have my ear very close to the ground. I am the ONLY one that predicted he would finish in 3rd place during the Iowa primaries. Everyone else was saying he'd be first. I labelled the Paul supporters as more 'bark than bite' because I knew they didn't have the voting numbers.
So what about the Tea Party? Nope. They didn't even support Michele Bachmann! She's be my second choice after Paul. The Tea Party was exposed for who they really are - basically mainstream Rhino's.
Who did the Tea Party end up supporting in the HEIGHT of the Occupy Wallstreet Movement? A money junkie Wallstreet guy. A guy part of the .0001% (give or take a 0.. can't remember the official number). A guy who finished 7th place in the Iowa straw poll. A guy who cancelled events because no one bothered showing up. A guy having to pad his own events. A guy who spent $4 for every $1 of private donations he received. The bulk of all his money coming from Walstreet Obama supporters. The guy who Obamacare was modeled after. The TEA PARTY SUPPORTED THIS GUY OVER RON PAUL.
The truth of Ron Paul - 800,000 federal civil servants SENT HOME PACKING, DRASTIC REDUCTION IN REGULATIONS, AND A HUGE, HUGE KICK START TO AN AMAZING FUTURE. How many Paul fans support that? I saw them on the streets in Iowa chanting "1,2,3,4, we don't need another war". I wish I could have been there to tell them to stop chanting that garbage. It skews the reality of Ron Paul's platform. He's not an anti war, anti drug hippy. He's really attacking the civil service at historic levels because he understands what's holding us back. So does Peter Schiff (a 2008 RON PAUL CAMPAIGN STAFFER).
Romney, is about controlling copyright, policing the Internet, funding more military adventures, corporate fascism, and protecting his friends on Wallstreet. He can't help it. It's who he is. He'll have a thirst to see blood and start wars. He's a psychopath. He won't be able to help himself.
People CHOSE Romney. They KNEW who he was. They knew Ron Pauls message loud and clear. They chose entitlements over fear and greed. Our society breeds people to be like this. What else can I say? It took me a long time to break down the same way of thinking and use logic.
Ron Paul has gotten much, much farther than the establishment wanted him to. He has spawned the youth movement in the GOP and as such it will be the Ron Paul Republicans who are the future of the party.
I'd say Ron Paul reached his peak. The Paul message isn't working. Many who support him want to hear anti-war and nothing else. While the military is a
HUGE waste of money, it's nothing compared to running a massive civil service with regulations that hurts the economy deeply.
I don't think those three names belong together because Peter Schiff maybe the best known of the lot and unless you watch CNBC during the day, you might not ever see him. None of those guys are leaders. Every political movement needs intellectuals but they are rarely the ones to lead the charge.
These guys are more of visionaries that would have to figure out the logistical workings of the country. Especially Stefan who is one of the worlds foremost visionaries in non-agresion gov't. He understands the nitty gritty and logistics, Schiff understands the financials and banking systems, Rockwell is more keen on Political issues. Then there's some others who would be fit to write up the constitution. (I don't like calling them 'intillectuals' because it reminds me of the left and academia).
Paul loves America and loves the constitution. My argument would be that the current system is not possible to change, the psychopaths will always grab power at your detriment. So for instance, if Paul cut all those departments, the states would just replace those departments with their own, raise taxes, and become more tyrannical. When they have problems, they will work together with congress to impeach Paul. Or you can eliminate taxes, and the psychopaths will just create new clever fees and scam the system to work around technicalities. They'll always be one step ahead. It does NOT matter what the constitution says. The only thing that would work is a non agression Liberty society. You pay only for what you believe money should be spent on. You control who comes into your borders. The public dictate who get the natural resources of your country. There are no politicians and a citizen can not be forced. The logistics would need to be done by visionaries. AND NO, we don't want intellectuals from University.
Peter Schiff is funny and all that, but the strange thing is, after seeing Ben Bernanke give a lecture on economics to students, it was very clear he has no idea what he's talking about. He has never worked a day in his life. He started to call the public sector a valid sector of the economy and GDP. In that case, I guess we can all be gov't workers.. we all know what system that's called. He's completely clueless. He wrote a book on the great depression based on books that all had political special interest. Very few books are written about what really sent the stock market down which was the gov't defaulting on bonds which cause the Dow to crash. It becomes clear watching other lectures from Yale and Standford that these people truly have never worked a day in their life and have NO idea what they are talking about.
Their message is the same: we need more regulations and more civil servants to look over things. The crisis in 2008 happened because there was TOO MUCH regulation. The gov't facilitated all those actions. If there was NO REGULATION, you and me would take on the responsibility of dealing with banks that won't gamble with our money. Which bank would ever stay in business telling clients that they will take your money and gamble it over seas. No one would do that in a million years. Do you know where the money goes when you deposit it in your bank? Do you have any say in it? Of course not. Do you know why? Because of TOO MUCH regulation. Regulation really means 'special permission' for a select few. Ban smoking and how many of the small diners will be able to stay open? Not many. Only the big guys will survive. Banning smoking is a 'special permission' for large, corporate chain restaurants to make more money and get the market share. You have NO say in this. See it for what it is.
It dawned on me that Peter Schiff is probably the four most expert economist in the USA today. I don't need someone from the media or academia to to tell me who it is. It's very obvious. He has real world, life experience and understands economic policy. Actually last week he was at a congressional hearing and I would consider this video a '
must see'. You'll see how Schiff differs from the Lobbyists and politicians around him. I've never seen anything like this before. He's a true hero:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvMGHzB37loThe financial stuff is complicated and there are a lot of financial Libertarians out there who believe money is at the core of everything. I'm one of them. These things get very logistical and require a lot of real world knowledge or how to set these things up. The idea is no gov't, outsourced services, no force, direct democracy. Most people are not ready for this and hold faith and trust in gov't. I don't think things will change anytime soon. After everything that's happened, Conservatives still want to ensure their entitlements and hold trust in 'figher fighters and teachers'.
Arizona is under attack from the federal gov't. They are under attack by immigration. Things will only get worse, not better.
I think that I'm past the stage of looking for a leader. I think we need a 'movement'. Peter Schiff is great because he has 0 faith in gov't. The video proves it. I also have 0 faith. The system will ALWAYS be gamed to take advantage of you when you let these people rule over you.
What's desperately needed now is financial backing to get these visionaries together and write a damn constitution and show people what is possible regarding Liberty. Ron Paul likes gov't and the constitution. He would allow states to run local tyranny over the people. Even Alex Jones wants to 'restore' the republic. Good luck. That is a pipe dream and I'm sitting hear waiting for someone in the US to start something more extreme. The youth have been bred for entitlements. They don't understand work. Half will soon be minorities who do NOT identify themselves as 'American'. They are doing highschool graduations in Paris now. Working abroad in Unviersity. Huge, huge, entitlements. They are born and raised by foodstamps and gov't. They will NOT be Paul supporters.
People are leaving the country, that should be a warning. It's time for angry REAL Libertarians to stop Mickey Mouse and get serious. You will NEVER have Liberty in the US or Canada anymore. It's a done deal. I'm warning you guys now there's only going DOWN. It's time to reserve citizenship, start a constitution, and start planning. If people see this in progress, there might be some financial backing where the campaign can become serious. If people take it serious, THEN you'll get what you want from the gov't. THEN the gov't will have a tail between their legs. THEN citizens will realize there's a better way. But it can no longer be done inside the current system.
When will you guys realize that you need to stop trusting in other people to come save you. It wont happen. There are too many people working against your best interest. The system will be gamed as long as you give them a 'system' to game. We're in too deep at this point. 50% of kids now on food stamps. They are now bred to expect handouts. Paul simply didn't have the votes to effect change. Not even a VP title. The youth next generation of Conservatives? They don't even speak English. It's time someone start planning now. And it can't be me. Only Stefan and special visionaries can tailor the logistics of the constitution and lang claims.
(BTW when they are meeting to do the constitution, they will be in suits in an executive meeting room and media will be invited.. I'm talking very official.. so I can't do this by any means and am not as qualified as these guys are. What I do know if they understand the real problems and solutions as well as the logistical issues. They would be the founding fathers so to speak).
