Ron Paul Supporters Pissed That Rand Paul Endorsed Romney

[Godwin]

As far as I understand his psition, Romney favors war with Iran, confronting China, expanding the mikitary etc. i do not see how you can endorse this position and credibly argue for a return to Jefferson --trade with all, entangling allances with none ---four years later.

"The lesser evil is not the same as marginally acceptable"

Rand had said for months that he was supporting his father, but would support whoever the Republican nominee is. The fact is that Rand is playing nice with the Republican party, and that irks some in the liberty movement who prefer to be more confrontational with the establishment. I understand the sentiment from an emotional point of view, but Rand is being smarter about it by playing nice with Repubs. The fact is that the liberty movement needs to stop worrying about being co-opted by the establishment and focus on co-opting the Republican party. The easiest way to do that is to get in bed with them, which is what Rand is doing.

If you sup with the devil better bring a long spoon.

When it comes to co-optation my money is on the establishment.

[wildernessvoice]

As far as I understand his psition, Romney favors war with Iran, confronting China, expanding the mikitary etc. i do not see how you can endorse this position and credibly argue for a return to Jefferson --trade with all, entangling allances with none ---four years later.

"The lesser evil is not the same as marginally acceptable"

Rand had said for months that he was supporting his father, but would support whoever the Republican nominee is. The fact is that Rand is playing nice with the Republican party, and that irks some in the liberty movement who prefer to be more confrontational with the establishment. I understand the sentiment from an emotional point of view, but Rand is being smarter about it by playing nice with Repubs. The fact is that the liberty movement needs to stop worrying about being co-opted by the establishment and focus on co-opting the Republican party. The easiest way to do that is to get in bed with them, which is what Rand is doing.

If you sup with the devil better bring a long spoon.

When it comes to co-optation my money is on the establishment.

Yup! Just like the market- never go against the Federal Reserve!

[shiva]

I won't argue with anybody about what Ron Paul or Rand Paul or Romney might do but what I will do is make the general point that in order to affect change, you need to work from both inside and out.

What I see here is Ron Paul continuing to do what he has always done and his son picking up in an area where his dad has been shut out, whether by his own design or not, doesn't really matter.

I see things coming together nicely and progress being made. I was happy enough to see how many Republican pundits and talking heads at least acknowledge Ron Paul's superior position on domestic policy this time around let alone having someone who learned at his knee being elected and admired by so many Republicans.

[Faramir]

If Rand prefers Ron Paul why endorse Romney?

[pirapoi]

If Rand prefers Ron Paul why endorse Romney?

Because Romney secured the Republican nomintion on May 29.

[Crush]

It's more than that. It seems that Ron was 'touring' asking for money when he knew he want going to win. Sometimes Rand would show up and introduce his Dad. From what I understand, it was the way that it all happened. Like a surprise leaving people feeling duped who put so much time into the movement.

I think power needs to be taken. Grabbed. Rand Paul helps no one. HOPEFULLY this will lead to a more extreme Freedom movement. and no. Nazi's are national SOCIALISTS. They want lotsa govt and handouts. It needs to be a Freedom Successionist movement. Once that separatism genie leaves the bottle, it's hard to put back in.

Glenn Becks movement fell apart after the million man gathering. All he did was talk about how great America was and Martin Luther King. He spoke about slaves, and rights and equality. I couldnt belive my ears. Keep in context that he was saying very extreme things during that time. Ten at the millin man gathering he does a 180 and starts to into the pro Martin Luther King crap. The audience literally was almost pausing.. And the slowly clapping because they were so let down. The audience was disappointed and felt duped.

Glenn then tried to get everyone to fill a town. His anser to their prolems was to pray and talk to your neighbour. That fell flat on it's face and no one showed up. The movement was over and Glenn back declined after.

Now the Ron Paul movement may be damaged for good.

A new movement will rise. They will be more extreme and action oriented to spell things out in plain English. They won't ask for power, they'll just start to take it. The opposite of the civil service union thugs. Freedom thugs out to cause trouble and take power because they have nothing to lose anymore. The govt has taken everything from them.. How many people sympathise with that?

[Red Green]

I don't see the Ron Paul movement being damaged. Ron Paul is retiring; their always was going to be a successor to Ron Paul on the national stage, but right now the effort is on the executive positions in the Republican Party, local, state and congressional races, etc. The revolution is on the move and we're really looking to fill every elected position from dog catcher up to governor with Ron Paul Republicans. If we do that, the presidency is less and less important with every victory at the lower levels.

[Faramir]

If Rand prefers Ron Paul why endorse Romney?

Because Romney secured the Republican nomintion on May 29.

I thought it wasn't over until the convention? Isn't there a chance we can make sure Romney fails to get the nomination at the convention?

[Faramir]

As far as I understand his psition, Romney favors war with Iran, confronting China, expanding the mikitary etc. i do not see how you can endorse this position and credibly argue for a return to Jefferson --trade with all, entangling allances with none ---four years later.

"The lesser evil is not the same as marginally acceptable"

Rand had said for months that he was supporting his father, but would support whoever the Republican nominee is. The fact is that Rand is playing nice with the Republican party, and that irks some in the liberty movement who prefer to be more confrontational with the establishment. I understand the sentiment from an emotional point of view, but Rand is being smarter about it by playing nice with Repubs. The fact is that the liberty movement needs to stop worrying about being co-opted by the establishment and focus on co-opting the Republican party. The easiest way to do that is to get in bed with them, which is what Rand is doing.

If you sup with the devil better bring a long spoon.

When it comes to co-optation my money is on the establishment.

The conservative movement is dead then - since you are going to get nothing close to conservatism from faux conservatives like Paul Ryan, McConnell, Boehner, and even so called Tea Party republics like Marco Rubio.

[Faramir]

As far as I understand his psition, Romney favors war with Iran, confronting China, expanding the mikitary etc. i do not see how you can endorse this position and credibly argue for a return to Jefferson --trade with all, entangling allances with none ---four years later.

"The lesser evil is not the same as marginally acceptable"

I am sure I agree with your assessment. Is that laundry list what people "hope" from Romney or has he actually taken actual positions. Bush was suppose to be tough on Iran, remember, but did squat.

[Crush]

As far as I understand his psition, Romney favors war with Iran, confronting China, expanding the mikitary etc. i do not see how you can endorse this position and credibly argue for a return to Jefferson --trade with all, entangling allances with none ---four years later.

"The lesser evil is not the same as marginally acceptable"

I am sure I agree with your assessment. Is that laundry list what people "hope" from Romney or has he actually taken actual positions. Bush was suppose to be tough on Iran, remember, but did squat.

RAND PAUL SPEAKS OUT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygwZHpTUmaI

[DA_Champion]

Rand Paul is a social-climbing neocon, so it is no surprise that he is endorsing Romney.

[DA_Champion]

their always was going to be a successor to Ron Paul on the national stage

There will be no successor.

[pirapoi]

Faramir wrote:

I thought it wasn't over until the convention?

Only if no candidate received 1,144 or more delegates.
Romeny passed that number on May 29.

In 2008 Sen. John McCain secured the GOP presidential nomination in early March.

[Crush]

their always was going to be a successor to Ron Paul on the national stage

There will be no successor.

I agree. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that there will be a more extreme anti-gov't movement that comes out of this.