Canada's Opposition are Enemies of Canada

[Connie Fournier]

To me, this has far less to do with the quality of the Opposition than the fact that Harper is deliberately insulting the intelligence of the good CPC MPs that we sent to Ottawa and using them like he would use pawns in a game of chess. We didn't elect those people to send them there to do Stephen Harper's bidding. The voters in Calgary Southwest are not the only Canadians who deserve a voice in the House of Commons.

No matter what you think about the Opposition, it is the CPC Caucus that I want to have a say in how this country is governed. You might not care if legislation is "slammed through" against the wishes of the other Parties...that, it could be argued, is exactly what you expect in a majority government. What we DON'T expect is for our own Conservative Members of Parliament to be marginalized to the point where they go to work and stand when they are told to stand and sit when they are told to sit.

Stephen Harper is NOT more intelligent than all of his caucus put together.

There's no "I" in "Team".

We don't need open air dissent in the H of C in order to have a multitude of voices sharing their opinions behind the scenes. If your MP feels they aren't being heard or respected they should leave and sit as an independent.

So, CPC MPs should take one for the team and forfeit their own votes?? In your world, a vote is equal to "open dissent"?? I don't even know how to respond to that.

If I had a CPC MP and he/she was willing to defer to the constituents in Calgary Southwest instead of taking my wishes into account, I'd be PISSED.

[Hodgson]

Can't win'em all.

[Connie Fournier]

Can't win'em all.

Neither can Harper.

[Mark Fournier]

Can't win'em all.

Can you name one freedom you would not be willing to have Harper take away from Canadians, Hodgson? Just one will do.

[Hodgson]

Own a gun.

[Mark Fournier]

Own a gun.

I'll take that to mean you would be unwilling to support Harper if he wanted to disarm the public and you do put limits on the man. This leaves us with disagreeing where the line should be set. In order to support Harper you are willing to allow foreign police to have authority on our soil and to investigate and arrest our citizens. I owe no man that type of loyalty and pray I never believe I do.

[Hodgson]

Own a gun.

I'll take that to mean you would be unwilling to support Harper if he wanted to disarm the public and you do put limits on the man. This leaves us with disagreeing where the line should be set. In order to support Harper you are willing to allow foreign police to have authority on our soil and to investigate and arrest our citizens. I owe no man that type of loyalty and pray I never believe I do.

Fair enough. I don't think allowing foreign police here to hunt criminals is a bad thing.

The cannibal killer was apprehended by German police due to cooperation with Canadian police. If a couple of RCMP dudes were on hand looking for that guy would it have been the end of the world for German citizens freedom?

I just don't think it matters.

[Mark Fournier]

Own a gun.

I'll take that to mean you would be unwilling to support Harper if he wanted to disarm the public and you do put limits on the man. This leaves us with disagreeing where the line should be set. In order to support Harper you are willing to allow foreign police to have authority on our soil and to investigate and arrest our citizens. I owe no man that type of loyalty and pray I never believe I do.

Fair enough. I don't think allowing foreign police here to hunt criminals is a bad thing.

The cannibal killer was apprehended by German police due to cooperation with Canadian police. If a couple of RCMP dudes were on hand looking for that guy would it have been the end of the world for German citizens freedom?

I just don't think it matters.

As you say, the cannibal killer was apprehended by German police in Germany. The RCMP were not exercising authority in Germany and they certainly weren't there arresting a German citizen.

[Peter O'Donnell]

"I don't think it matters" is more or less how Germany got Hitler and Russia got Lenin and then Stalin. Oh, also, they were all about "getting things done."

Any other false mantras you would like demolished, just list them here in this convenient receptacle.

As to foreign police coming here to pursue their criminals, I suppose that would include China looking for dissidents (we must not displease our new number one customer) or maybe Iran searching for critics of their regime?

Now some might say, our government won't let them in, just U.S. or maybe European cops looking for "real criminals" but what about the next government, some future regime looking to curry favour with ideological soulmates perhaps?

How about when Obama or his gay lobby decide they taken enough criticism from Canadian internet bloggers? Will it be okay if the FBI come up here to arrest Canadians and would those people even have legal process in Canada or would they end up in an American prison? Just wondering, Hodgson, how Harper's brave new world is going to work for those who don't spend all day building pipelines or drilling for oil. I know, we should be doing that, or perhaps we are also "enemies of Canada."

[Hodgson]

Own a gun.

I'll take that to mean you would be unwilling to support Harper if he wanted to disarm the public and you do put limits on the man. This leaves us with disagreeing where the line should be set. In order to support Harper you are willing to allow foreign police to have authority on our soil and to investigate and arrest our citizens. I owe no man that type of loyalty and pray I never believe I do.

Fair enough. I don't think allowing foreign police here to hunt criminals is a bad thing.

The cannibal killer was apprehended by German police due to cooperation with Canadian police. If a couple of RCMP dudes were on hand looking for that guy would it have been the end of the world for German citizens freedom?

I just don't think it matters.

As you say, the cannibal killer was apprehended by German police in Germany. The RCMP were not exercising authority in Germany and they certainly weren't there arresting a German citizen.

Yeah, and if they were, who cares?
That's my point.

[Hodgson]

"I don't think it matters" is more or less how Germany got Hitler and Russia got Lenin and then Stalin. Oh, also, they were all about "getting things done."

Any other false mantras you would like demolished, just list them here in this convenient receptacle.

As to foreign police coming here to pursue their criminals, I suppose that would include China looking for dissidents (we must not displease our new number one customer) or maybe Iran searching for critics of their regime?

Now some might say, our government won't let them in, just U.S. or maybe European cops looking for "real criminals" but what about the next government, some future regime looking to curry favour with ideological soulmates perhaps?

How about when Obama or his gay lobby decide they taken enough criticism from Canadian internet bloggers? Will it be okay if the FBI come up here to arrest Canadians and would those people even have legal process in Canada or would they end up in an American prison? Just wondering, Hodgson, how Harper's brave new world is going to work for those who don't spend all day building pipelines or drilling for oil. I know, we should be doing that, or perhaps we are also "enemies of Canada."

Democratic countries working together to stop crime isn't threatening to anyone.

Your weird paranoid fantasies are nowhere near the reality of the situation. I get longing for a more interesting predicament than what to make for lunch and what show to watch and how many hours you have to put in to a job you don't really like. Historical daydreams about fighting the power and living under totalitarian rule are pretty attractive in a rock and roll adventure sort of way, but we live in boring times.
Sorry to break it to you.
There is no conspiracy.
It's just cops helping each other out.
Conservatives on this board need to grow up.

[InTouch]

Own a gun.

I'll take that to mean you would be unwilling to support Harper if he wanted to disarm the public and you do put limits on the man. This leaves us with disagreeing where the line should be set. In order to support Harper you are willing to allow foreign police to have authority on our soil and to investigate and arrest our citizens. I owe no man that type of loyalty and pray I never believe I do.

Fair enough. I don't think allowing foreign police here to hunt criminals is a bad thing.

The cannibal killer was apprehended by German police due to cooperation with Canadian police. If a couple of RCMP dudes were on hand looking for that guy would it have been the end of the world for German citizens freedom?

I just don't think it matters.

As you say, the cannibal killer was apprehended by German police in Germany. The RCMP were not exercising authority in Germany and they certainly weren't there arresting a German citizen.

Yeah, and if they were, who cares?
That's my point.

Many people, including myself and those I know, do care and that's the rub.

[Mark Fournier]

Own a gun.

I'll take that to mean you would be unwilling to support Harper if he wanted to disarm the public and you do put limits on the man. This leaves us with disagreeing where the line should be set. In order to support Harper you are willing to allow foreign police to have authority on our soil and to investigate and arrest our citizens. I owe no man that type of loyalty and pray I never believe I do.

Fair enough. I don't think allowing foreign police here to hunt criminals is a bad thing.

The cannibal killer was apprehended by German police due to cooperation with Canadian police. If a couple of RCMP dudes were on hand looking for that guy would it have been the end of the world for German citizens freedom?

I just don't think it matters.

As you say, the cannibal killer was apprehended by German police in Germany. The RCMP were not exercising authority in Germany and they certainly weren't there arresting a German citizen.

Yeah, and if they were, who cares?

People who value liberty for all over loyalty to an individual.

[Hodgson]

Own a gun.

I'll take that to mean you would be unwilling to support Harper if he wanted to disarm the public and you do put limits on the man. This leaves us with disagreeing where the line should be set. In order to support Harper you are willing to allow foreign police to have authority on our soil and to investigate and arrest our citizens. I owe no man that type of loyalty and pray I never believe I do.

Fair enough. I don't think allowing foreign police here to hunt criminals is a bad thing.

The cannibal killer was apprehended by German police due to cooperation with Canadian police. If a couple of RCMP dudes were on hand looking for that guy would it have been the end of the world for German citizens freedom?

I just don't think it matters.

As you say, the cannibal killer was apprehended by German police in Germany. The RCMP were not exercising authority in Germany and they certainly weren't there arresting a German citizen.

Yeah, and if they were, who cares?

People who value liberty for all over loyalty to an individual.

I'm not denying your right to your opinion, but I don't think you understand mine.

[Hodgson]

Own a gun.

I'll take that to mean you would be unwilling to support Harper if he wanted to disarm the public and you do put limits on the man. This leaves us with disagreeing where the line should be set. In order to support Harper you are willing to allow foreign police to have authority on our soil and to investigate and arrest our citizens. I owe no man that type of loyalty and pray I never believe I do.

Fair enough. I don't think allowing foreign police here to hunt criminals is a bad thing.

The cannibal killer was apprehended by German police due to cooperation with Canadian police. If a couple of RCMP dudes were on hand looking for that guy would it have been the end of the world for German citizens freedom?

I just don't think it matters.

As you say, the cannibal killer was apprehended by German police in Germany. The RCMP were not exercising authority in Germany and they certainly weren't there arresting a German citizen.

Yeah, and if they were, who cares?
That's my point.

Many people, including myself and those I know, do care and that's the rub.

Agree to disagree then.