Canada's Opposition are Enemies of Canada

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Re: Canada's Opposition are Enemies of Canada

Postby Dogpatch » 06/ 01/ 12 8:11 pm

Crush wrote:
Peter O'Donnell wrote:So perhaps it is fair to say that the entire parliament are enemies of the Canadian people.


YES IT IS TIME TO WAKE UP!

AMERICANS ARE IN THE SAME BOAT. VICTIMS OF THE SYSTEM NEED TO COME TOGETHER AND ORGANIZE. AMERICANS WILL TAKE THE LEAD. SENTIMENT IS BOILING OVER IN THE US VERY RECENTLY. HERE IS A MAINSTREAM GUY SAYING SOME 'STRONG WORDS' ON HIS PODCAST. THE TIME TO PANIC COULD COME SOON. BE VIGILANT AND PREPARED:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzSq1iY0AZ4&t=9m





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And that graph shows exactly why the entitled society is bound to fail, but it isn't Parliament's fault.

Place the blame on liberal, AKA "progressive", attitudes/society on why everything seems to be falling apart
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Re: Canada's Opposition are Enemies of Canada

Postby LAR » 06/ 01/ 12 8:14 pm

Dogpatch wrote:So what is exactly "bad" about C-38?

EI? It needed reform. And yes, if you stick with a job that will lay you off every six or eight months (every year), then you are a believer in "I'm entitled to my entitlements". (See May, Elizabeth)

Old Age Security? For starters, it's not a 'pension". Secondly, look at Germany and Scandinavia and what they've done with it.

Environment? Give me a break - these parasites of green are money grabbers and want to change everything to their way of doing business.

Health care? Just take a peek back at Chretien and Martin's years in power. Now that was draconian.

Free trade? hah - the liberals wouldn't do anything different

Budget cuts? See Chretien and Martin above.

etc.


It looks like Dogpatch is willing and capable of discussing the individual issues in the bill. Couldn't parliament do the same?
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Re: Canada's Opposition are Enemies of Canada

Postby Crush » 06/ 01/ 12 8:32 pm

Dogpatch wrote:EI? It needed reform. And yes, if you stick with a job that will lay you off every six or eight months (every year), then you are a believer in "I'm entitled to my entitlements". (See May, Elizabeth)


Really? Give a full time job that lays you off every 6 months (you wouldn't qualify for EI btw), and tell who purposely works these jobs?

Can't do that can you?

The only people I know of that abuse EI are substitute teachers who file for EI every year in June.

Do you think people WANT to get laid off?? Do you know how it's like seeing an office full of crying people gathering their belongings and hugging each other goodbye?

Do you know how it's like to get laid off and sit in your car crying and wondering what you're going to do with your life?

You think people and private companies are in some CONSPIRACY TO GET LAID OFF AND CHEAT EI?

Are you fcking insane?? Do you think that 'low' of regular, underpaid, underemployed Canadians just struggling to survive that you think EI is some sort of goal for people??? You think we like sitting here unemployed competing with immigrants from all over the world taking our jobs??

But of course, only a working person in the private sector would truly understand the above sentiment. :brows:
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Re: Canada's Opposition are Enemies of Canada

Postby The Devil's Advocate » 06/ 01/ 12 8:41 pm

LAR wrote:
Dogpatch wrote:So what is exactly "bad" about C-38?

EI? It needed reform. And yes, if you stick with a job that will lay you off every six or eight months (every year), then you are a believer in "I'm entitled to my entitlements". (See May, Elizabeth)

Old Age Security? For starters, it's not a 'pension". Secondly, look at Germany and Scandinavia and what they've done with it.

Environment? Give me a break - these parasites of green are money grabbers and want to change everything to their way of doing business.

Health care? Just take a peek back at Chretien and Martin's years in power. Now that was draconian.

Free trade? hah - the liberals wouldn't do anything different

Budget cuts? See Chretien and Martin above.

etc.


It looks like Dogpatch is willing and capable of discussing the individual issues in the bill. Couldn't parliament do the same?


Apparently not. Apparently Parliament is no longer the appropriate place to, er, parl. The only appropriate action is passing everything that Harper and company put on the table as quickly as possible. Discussion is merely a waste or time and reading the bills too carefully should probably be avoided as well.

The CPC. Oppose us and you're an Enemy of the Canada.

(Actually, they could probably use this as a slogan for 2015. Hodgson, you're their Campaign Manager, what do you think?)
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Re: Canada's Opposition are Enemies of Canada

Postby Crush » 06/ 01/ 12 8:48 pm

Dogpatch wrote:And that graph shows exactly why the entitled society is bound to fail, but it isn't Parliament's fault.


Yes it is.

They keep raising spending on gov't departments and civil servants. They borrow money each year from other countries to pay for it. They refuse to cut large departments like Stats Can and Health Canada and lay off a large amounts of civil servants. He lets in more and more immigrants to take our jobs when we already have HUGE unemployment.

Harper has never worked a day in his life. He doesn't understand the real world and the damage he is doing to the innocent victims in Canada who struggle to survive. The ONLY thing these people get is the safety net of EI (which pays peanuts btw) when they get laid off (A VERY FREQUENT OCCURRENCE IN THE NON-UNION CANADIAN PRIVATE SECTOR).

They go after the ONE person that supports their spending empires of lavish salaries and benefits. They bite the hand that feeds them. But they REFUSE to lay off a single civil servant who does NOTHING all day. Immigrants come here and do NOTHING all day. Everyone is getting handouts. And the ONE PERSON who SUPPORTS the system gets sht on and is forced to work a job for less money.

The gov't is now dictating where people will work. If you don't agree, they'll just send you off. That's what's coming next.

You own a home and out of work? Good. They'll take your home and send you off because you aren't producing for the gov't. You need to be productive to fund civil servants and gov't. If not they'll sell your home as back payment. All for the 'greater good'. And great. We are now giving American police powers of Canadian police which is a LOSS of sovereignty.

1 in 4 full time workers in Canada get paid through gov't tax dollars. You either support that system, or you don't. You either collect the money and free handouts from working people, or you pay into it.

You need to ask yourself, 'what side am I on'?

You need to start to take on an 'us vs them' mentality. They are NOT out for your interest. Dying on a waiting list in the name of their union salaries and benefits proves this.
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Re: Canada's Opposition are Enemies of Canada

Postby Dogpatch » 06/ 01/ 12 9:27 pm

Crush wrote:
Dogpatch wrote:And that graph shows exactly why the entitled society is bound to fail, but it isn't Parliament's fault.


Yes it is.

They keep raising spending on gov't departments and civil servants. They borrow money each year from other countries to pay for it. They refuse to cut large departments like Stats Can and Health Canada and lay off a large amounts of civil servants. He lets in more and more immigrants to take our jobs when we already have HUGE unemployment.

Harper has never worked a day in his life. He doesn't understand the real world and the damage he is doing to the innocent victims in Canada who struggle to survive. The ONLY thing these people get is the safety net of EI (which pays peanuts btw) when they get laid off (A VERY FREQUENT OCCURRENCE IN THE NON-UNION CANADIAN PRIVATE SECTOR).

They go after the ONE person that supports their spending empires of lavish salaries and benefits. They bite the hand that feeds them. But they REFUSE to lay off a single civil servant who does NOTHING all day. Immigrants come here and do NOTHING all day. Everyone is getting handouts. And the ONE PERSON who SUPPORTS the system gets sht on and is forced to work a job for less money.

The gov't is now dictating where people will work. If you don't agree, they'll just send you off. That's what's coming next.

You own a home and out of work? Good. They'll take your home and send you off because you aren't producing for the gov't. You need to be productive to fund civil servants and gov't. If not they'll sell your home as back payment. All for the 'greater good'. And great. We are now giving American police powers of Canadian police which is a LOSS of sovereignty.

1 in 4 full time workers in Canada get paid through gov't tax dollars. You either support that system, or you don't. You either collect the money and free handouts from working people, or you pay into it.

You need to ask yourself, 'what side am I on'?

You need to start to take on an 'us vs them' mentality. They are NOT out for your interest. Dying on a waiting list in the name of their union salaries and benefits proves this.


Whatever you think :roll:

BTW, I thought you are in Australia
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Re: Canada's Opposition are Enemies of Canada

Postby Dogpatch » 06/ 01/ 12 9:53 pm

It’s called majority governing

By L. Ian MacDonald
The Ottawa Citizen
May 29, 2012

The budget omnibus bill, at 425 pages, has everything including the kitchen sink in it. The environment and energy. Trans-border security arrangements with the United States. New rules for employment insurance benefits. Entitlement reform in raising the threshold for Old Age Security from age 65 to 67.

You name it, it’s in there. The opposition parties want the budget implementation bill broken up into its parts, especially on streamlining environmental reviews. The Harper government has moved the bill through second reading and it’s now before the House Finance Committee pending third and final reading in the House.

As a concession to the opposition complaints about ramming the bill through, the Conservatives set up a subcommittee of the Finance Committee to hear out the environmental and other issues that normally wouldn’t be part of a budget implementation bill.

In addition to eight days of debate on second reading, the government has allocated another six days before the final vote. Before that, Green Party Leader Elizabeth May plans a one-member filibuster, and will propose an unlimited number of amendments to get the environmental stuff out of the budget. Once she rises, she can’t yield the floor or she will lose it. “They can take me out of the House on a stretcher,” she says.

Remember James Stewart on the Senate floor in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington? Same thing.

The opposition understandably holds that the government is limiting debate, and stifling democracy, through time allocation. The Conservatives reply that they are simply using their majority to pass the budget bill, and other major legislation, before the House rises for the summer in four weeks.

Welcome to majority government, the new normal in Ottawa. Or as Stephen Harper put in his campaign refrain: “A strong, stable, national, Conservative majority government.” He ran on it, and he won on it, in a realignment election. Get used to it.

In addition to the budget bill, the Conservatives are also going to pass new copyright legislation, and an immigration bill, before the summer.

And this week, there’s back-to-work legislation to end the railway strike at Canadian Pacific. This isn’t the first time the Tories have intervened to end strikes, and it inevitably raises questions about interfering with the collective bargaining process. But both sides in the CP dispute admit they were getting nowhere on the issue of pension funding. The NDP, as the champions of organized labour, are obvious champions of that banner. But at the end of the day, they’re on the wrong side of the issue.

In a country whose economy is built on transportation, the railways are an essential service. Half of container shipments to the Port of Montreal, for example, go on by rail to the United States.

The back-to-work bill will be law by Thursday. Lisa Raitt, who stumbled badly in her first cabinet post at Natural Resources, has stepped up her game as labour minister, and has emerged as one of the government’s rising stars. Similarly Rona Ambrose, who was badly roughed up as environment minister, has come into her own at Public Works, usually a graveyard of political careers. And Diane Finley, over at Human Resources and Skills Development, rolled out the complex EI changes without serious incident.

How the EI changes play out over the summer remains to be seen, especially in Atlantic Canada, famously dependent on EI for seasonal workers, especially in the fishery. When processing plants are importing guest workers, there’s an incentive problem in the local labour force. The Conservatives have eight out of 10 seats in New Brunswick, and they may catch some flak. It was Harper, as Opposition leader, who once lamented a culture “of dependency” in that province. He wasn’t wrong.

With a majority House, Harper is able to move on entitlement reform, such as EI and OAS, in a way he couldn’t have in the two previous minority governments. Come to that, he announced the OAS changes in a speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos last January, so that by the time of the budget in late March, the change from age 65 to 67 was already old news.

When there was a question of renewing the health accord with the provinces when it expires in 2014, Harper didn’t call a federal-provincial conference, he simply had Finance Minister Jim Flaherty inform his provincial colleagues that Ottawa was refunding health care transfers at the current growth rate of six per cent for three years and three per cent beyond that. Take it or leave it. They took it. And the whole health care consulting industry went out of business.

There’s nothing unusual in what’s going on in Ottawa this spring. It’s called majority government.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/calle ... story.html
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Re: Canada's Opposition are Enemies of Canada

Postby Crush » 06/ 01/ 12 10:29 pm

Dogpatch wrote:With a majority House, Harper is able to move on entitlement reform, such as EI


Oh wow EI is an entitlement now according to some joke of a columnist? I guess automobile insurance is also an entitlement. Replace the I with E. Automobile Entitlements.

The only thing that is entitlement is the paycheck of benefits and savings pension of a civil servant. That's the ONLY real-world entitlement the gov't gives out. I get my money stolen from my household to give to other people to fund their lifestyles. When you ask them why they should be doing the work they are doing, they say that the are 'entitled' to it.

The gov't feels they are 'entitled' to take our money. Then they turn around around and when someone in very hard times (something that.. well lets be honest many on the forum here don't understand because they are living off the gov't.. that's ok i know the real stats), then they want to take that little crumb that the private sector worker pays into and hire more civil servants to police us and make sure that we are working the jobs that they see fit. More civil servants.

Or how about the gov't stop letting thousands of world trash show up at our airports daily looking for handouts and free services.

But no. The gov't is going after the ONLY crumb that the private sector worker gets. His EI insurance that he pays into.. err.. sorry his ENTITLEMENT. Lol..wow. People are so sick and poisoned. The media has trained Canadians well to turn against good other Canadians who support the whole gov't scam.
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Re: Canada's Opposition are Enemies of Canada

Postby One Truth » 06/ 01/ 12 11:01 pm

Hodgson wrote:This is why the budget bill needs to be slammed through.


Man, what's come over you?

That the opposition parties are fools, I agree. But a 400 page bill? We need another impossible-to-unravel law passed?

Simple honesty is dead, I guess.
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Re: Canada's Opposition are Enemies of Canada

Postby Hodgson » 06/ 06/ 12 11:04 am

Dogpatch wrote:It’s called majority governing

By L. Ian MacDonald
The Ottawa Citizen
May 29, 2012

The budget omnibus bill, at 425 pages, has everything including the kitchen sink in it. The environment and energy. Trans-border security arrangements with the United States. New rules for employment insurance benefits. Entitlement reform in raising the threshold for Old Age Security from age 65 to 67.

You name it, it’s in there. The opposition parties want the budget implementation bill broken up into its parts, especially on streamlining environmental reviews. The Harper government has moved the bill through second reading and it’s now before the House Finance Committee pending third and final reading in the House.

As a concession to the opposition complaints about ramming the bill through, the Conservatives set up a subcommittee of the Finance Committee to hear out the environmental and other issues that normally wouldn’t be part of a budget implementation bill.

In addition to eight days of debate on second reading, the government has allocated another six days before the final vote. Before that, Green Party Leader Elizabeth May plans a one-member filibuster, and will propose an unlimited number of amendments to get the environmental stuff out of the budget. Once she rises, she can’t yield the floor or she will lose it. “They can take me out of the House on a stretcher,” she says.

Remember James Stewart on the Senate floor in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington? Same thing.

The opposition understandably holds that the government is limiting debate, and stifling democracy, through time allocation. The Conservatives reply that they are simply using their majority to pass the budget bill, and other major legislation, before the House rises for the summer in four weeks.

Welcome to majority government, the new normal in Ottawa. Or as Stephen Harper put in his campaign refrain: “A strong, stable, national, Conservative majority government.” He ran on it, and he won on it, in a realignment election. Get used to it.

In addition to the budget bill, the Conservatives are also going to pass new copyright legislation, and an immigration bill, before the summer.

And this week, there’s back-to-work legislation to end the railway strike at Canadian Pacific. This isn’t the first time the Tories have intervened to end strikes, and it inevitably raises questions about interfering with the collective bargaining process. But both sides in the CP dispute admit they were getting nowhere on the issue of pension funding. The NDP, as the champions of organized labour, are obvious champions of that banner. But at the end of the day, they’re on the wrong side of the issue.

In a country whose economy is built on transportation, the railways are an essential service. Half of container shipments to the Port of Montreal, for example, go on by rail to the United States.

The back-to-work bill will be law by Thursday. Lisa Raitt, who stumbled badly in her first cabinet post at Natural Resources, has stepped up her game as labour minister, and has emerged as one of the government’s rising stars. Similarly Rona Ambrose, who was badly roughed up as environment minister, has come into her own at Public Works, usually a graveyard of political careers. And Diane Finley, over at Human Resources and Skills Development, rolled out the complex EI changes without serious incident.

How the EI changes play out over the summer remains to be seen, especially in Atlantic Canada, famously dependent on EI for seasonal workers, especially in the fishery. When processing plants are importing guest workers, there’s an incentive problem in the local labour force. The Conservatives have eight out of 10 seats in New Brunswick, and they may catch some flak. It was Harper, as Opposition leader, who once lamented a culture “of dependency” in that province. He wasn’t wrong.

With a majority House, Harper is able to move on entitlement reform, such as EI and OAS, in a way he couldn’t have in the two previous minority governments. Come to that, he announced the OAS changes in a speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos last January, so that by the time of the budget in late March, the change from age 65 to 67 was already old news.

When there was a question of renewing the health accord with the provinces when it expires in 2014, Harper didn’t call a federal-provincial conference, he simply had Finance Minister Jim Flaherty inform his provincial colleagues that Ottawa was refunding health care transfers at the current growth rate of six per cent for three years and three per cent beyond that. Take it or leave it. They took it. And the whole health care consulting industry went out of business.

There’s nothing unusual in what’s going on in Ottawa this spring. It’s called majority government.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/calle ... story.html


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Re: Canada's Opposition are Enemies of Canada

Postby Hodgson » 06/ 06/ 12 11:07 am

Crush wrote:
Dogpatch wrote:With a majority House, Harper is able to move on entitlement reform, such as EI


Oh wow EI is an entitlement now according to some joke of a columnist? I guess automobile insurance is also an entitlement. Replace the I with E. Automobile Entitlements.

The only thing that is entitlement is the paycheck of benefits and savings pension of a civil servant. That's the ONLY real-world entitlement the gov't gives out. I get my money stolen from my household to give to other people to fund their lifestyles. When you ask them why they should be doing the work they are doing, they say that the are 'entitled' to it.

The gov't feels they are 'entitled' to take our money. Then they turn around around and when someone in very hard times (something that.. well lets be honest many on the forum here don't understand because they are living off the gov't.. that's ok i know the real stats), then they want to take that little crumb that the private sector worker pays into and hire more civil servants to police us and make sure that we are working the jobs that they see fit. More civil servants.

Or how about the gov't stop letting thousands of world trash show up at our airports daily looking for handouts and free services.

But no. The gov't is going after the ONLY crumb that the private sector worker gets. His EI insurance that he pays into.. err.. sorry his ENTITLEMENT. Lol..wow. People are so sick and poisoned. The media has trained Canadians well to turn against good other Canadians who support the whole gov't scam.


EI is POISON. It is ruinous and needs to be abolished. If you pay people not to work then guess what....they won't.

I'm glad Harper is slamming this change through in an Omnibus bill. The last thing we need is the leftists in the H of C dragging out the sob stories for weeks on end about how Jimmy Jones who fishes is having his way of life destroyed because Harper doesn't want to give him pogey for 9 months of the year.
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Re: Canada's Opposition are Enemies of Canada

Postby Hodgson » 06/ 06/ 12 11:07 am

One Truth wrote:
Hodgson wrote:This is why the budget bill needs to be slammed through.


Man, what's come over you?

That the opposition parties are fools, I agree. But a 400 page bill? We need another impossible-to-unravel law passed?

Simple honesty is dead, I guess.


What's dishonest about getting stuff done?
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Re: Canada's Opposition are Enemies of Canada

Postby Connie Fournier » 06/ 06/ 12 11:18 am

To me, this has far less to do with the quality of the Opposition than the fact that Harper is deliberately insulting the intelligence of the good CPC MPs that we sent to Ottawa and using them like he would use pawns in a game of chess. We didn't elect those people to send them there to do Stephen Harper's bidding. The voters in Calgary Southwest are not the only Canadians who deserve a voice in the House of Commons.

No matter what you think about the Opposition, it is the CPC Caucus that I want to have a say in how this country is governed. You might not care if legislation is "slammed through" against the wishes of the other Parties...that, it could be argued, is exactly what you expect in a majority government. What we DON'T expect is for our own Conservative Members of Parliament to be marginalized to the point where they go to work and stand when they are told to stand and sit when they are told to sit.

Stephen Harper is NOT more intelligent than all of his caucus put together.
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Re: Canada's Opposition are Enemies of Canada

Postby Smaug » 06/ 06/ 12 11:31 am

Actually, I like the EI reforms. I do understand private sector layoffs and hardships on the idividual .... and that is precisely why these reforms are necesary.

Companies take advantage of the government to subsidies wage costs. Think about this, if a company can hire people seasonaly, year after year they have no incentive to improve working conditions .... no incentive to provide wage circumsatnces that allow workers to take the jobs being offered, no 'pushing' work to low season to keep skilled workers employed all year.

Companies that cannot use the ei system to keep their workers in high unemployment areas will have to change their ways or go out of business because finding workers willing to do crappy jobs will become more difficult.
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Re: Canada's Opposition are Enemies of Canada

Postby Hodgson » 06/ 06/ 12 11:37 am

Connie Fournier wrote:To me, this has far less to do with the quality of the Opposition than the fact that Harper is deliberately insulting the intelligence of the good CPC MPs that we sent to Ottawa and using them like he would use pawns in a game of chess. We didn't elect those people to send them there to do Stephen Harper's bidding. The voters in Calgary Southwest are not the only Canadians who deserve a voice in the House of Commons.

No matter what you think about the Opposition, it is the CPC Caucus that I want to have a say in how this country is governed. You might not care if legislation is "slammed through" against the wishes of the other Parties...that, it could be argued, is exactly what you expect in a majority government. What we DON'T expect is for our own Conservative Members of Parliament to be marginalized to the point where they go to work and stand when they are told to stand and sit when they are told to sit.

Stephen Harper is NOT more intelligent than all of his caucus put together.


There's no "I" in "Team".

We don't need open air dissent in the H of C in order to have a multitude of voices sharing their opinions behind the scenes. If your MP feels they aren't being heard or respected they should leave and sit as an independent.
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