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Postby styky » 04/ 26/ 12 8:24 pm

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Arctic faces 'significant challenges'

Polar year conference hears that global warming puts survival of some unique species at risk

By WILLIAM MARSDEN, The Gazette April 25, 2012

MONTREAL - A unique, all-season study of the effects of global warming in the Arctic Ocean shows that climate change is reducing biodiversity and posing "significant challenges to the survival of some of the Arctic's unique marine species."

The study also shows that climate change is resulting in the increased distribution, through the Arctic food chain, of contaminants such as methyl mercury.

The $40-million study, which was conducted by 10 scientific teams from 27 countries, spent 2007-2008 studying open water along what are called flaw leads, or breaks in multi-year ice.

"The Arctic Ocean is definitely changing on a whole lot of different fronts," professor David Barber of the University of Manitoba said.

The study was released Tuesday at the Polar Year conference in Montreal. The data was gathered aboard the research icebreaker Amundsen in the Amundsen Gulf, south of Banks Island in the eastern Beaufort Sea.

Scientists explained that with ice coverage and ice thickness reaching record lows over the last decade, the energy dynamics of the Arctic Ocean are changing, with profound effects on weather, ocean currents and plant and animal life.

With more solar energy piercing the open waters, ice melt also can affect the carbon exchange between the ocean and the atmosphere.

With longer and warmer summers, more carbon dioxide can escape into the atmosphere, while in the winter the colder open water can absorb more CO2.

This carbon can then drop with the heavier water to the bottom of the sea and remain there for years.

Professor Tim Papakyriakou, also of the University of Manitoba, said that scientists are not certain about how much CO2 is being stored in the water and how much is being released into the atmosphere.

What they did discover is that winter processes can be as important as summer processes in this carbon exchange. "We still don't know which is dominant," he said.

Scientists also discovered that the open water is becoming a "breeding ground" for underwater storms or eddies.

This can bring more nutrients into the Arctic water, swelling the populations of local fish such as Arctic cod and attracting invasive species.

The Polar Year conference comes at a time when studies indicate that interest in the Arctic among the general population is waning.

Yet, scientists found a glimmer of hope in the fact that, since February, individual Canadians sent donations totalling $12,000 to help fund a High Arctic research station after the federal government stopped financing it last year.

Professor James Drummond, of Dalhousie University, said in an interview that the money will help send a student to the Polar Environment Atmospheric Research Laboratory (PEARL) at Eureka on the western coast of Ellesmere Island.

The research station had received $1.5 million a year since 2005 from the Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences (CFCAS) to maintain its permanent research station at Eureka.

The federal government created CFCAS in 2000 with a $110-million grant. The foundation has spent $5.5 million funding the PEARL project.

But the Conservative government decided last year not to fund the foundation as of March 1 this year, which means no more money for PEARL.

Drummond, who heads the PEARL project, said while the amount of money is small, it was nevertheless significant that more than 150 Canadians reacted to the government's decision by sending donations for PEARL to the foundation. Individual donations ranged from $5 to $1,000.

Dawn Conway, executive director of the foundation, said the donations came to the foundation despite the fact CFCAS did not advertise.

The federal government's decision to stop funding this work came at a critical time for PEARL's research into the ozone layer.

Drummond said that last year the hole in the ozone over the Arctic was larger than it has ever been and it is vital that the world permanently monitors this striking ozone depletion.

The government argues it is creating a research station at Cambridge Bay, which is about 1,000 kilometres south of Eureka.

"It's like predicting the weather in Montreal by collecting weather data in Georgia," Drummond said.

He said PEARL also is a vital station for the verification of data collected by satellites orbiting over the Arctic.

He said that unless satellite data on atmospheric science is verified by Earth-based stations, nobody can be sure if the data is accurate. The position of PEARL's High Arctic station is ideal for satellite verification, he said.

On April 30, PEARL will cease full-time, year-round operations.

Conway said Canadians can make donations to the PEARL project by sending cheques directly to CFCAS or by donating through the website, Canadahelps.org.

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Postby styky » 04/ 27/ 12 11:59 am

NASA | Warm Ocean Currents Cause Majority of Ice Loss from Antarctica
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Postby styky » 05/ 01/ 12 1:28 pm

Warm Ocean Currents (Not Global Warming) Cause Majority of Ice Loss from Antarctica

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Postby styky » 05/ 03/ 12 8:49 pm

Sea-level rises 'may not be as high as worst-case scenarios have predicted'

New research suggests Greenland's glaciers are slipping into the sea more slowly than previously thought
Damian Carrington
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 3 May 2012 19.01 BST

Sea-level rises are unlikely to be as high as worst-case scenarios have forecasted, suggests new research which shows that Greenland's glaciers are slipping into the sea more slowly than was previously thought. But the scientists warned that ice loss still sped up by 30% and is driving rises in sea levels that endanger low-lying coasts around the world.

Along with Antarctica, the loss of ice from the huge Greenland ice cap is the biggest direct contributor to rising sea levels, pouring 250bn tonnes of water into the oceans each year. But the complexity of glacier dynamics has meant predictions of future losses as the global warming continues have been wide-ranging and controversial. The new work used for the first time satellite data to track the progress of over 200 individual Greenland glaciers between 2000 and 2010.

"Previous studies only had a couple of observations from big glaciers," said Twila Moon, at the University of Washington in Seattle, who led the research. "We found we are certainly not on the worst-case scenario, but the glaciers are speeding up and we see no sign of that stopping."

Half of the ice lost from Greenland is due to simple melting where meltwater flows directly into the sea as temperatures rise, while the other half is due to the increased flow of glaciers, which leads to more icebergs calving into the sea. The new study, published in the journal Science on Thursday, focused on the latter effect. Moon said: "We found, contrary to conventional wisdom, that glaciers have rapid and large changes in speed.".................http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... d-glaciers
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Postby RedDog » 05/ 03/ 12 8:55 pm

Currently showing minus 70c at Vostok Station this very minute. Still not melting.
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Postby styky » 05/ 03/ 12 9:12 pm

RedDog wrote:Currently showing minus 70c at Vostok Station this very minute. Still not melting.



You know if ever I come to wondering what is the temperature in Vostok I know that posting an article on the freezing melting thread will provide for me with it post haste. :lol:
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Postby RedDog » 05/ 03/ 12 9:28 pm

styky wrote:
RedDog wrote:Currently showing minus 70c at Vostok Station this very minute. Still not melting.



You know if ever I come to wondering what is the temperature in Vostok I know that posting an article on the freezing melting thread will provide for me with it post haste. :lol:

Well admittedly that's an extreme. Amundsen-Scott Station is only minus 59c. Great evening for a family skate or perhaps a sleigh ride and wiener roast. :D
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Postby styky » 05/ 10/ 12 4:06 pm

Discovered: New Site of Potential Instability in West Antarctic Ice Sheet the Size of New Jersey
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Postby styky » 05/ 28/ 12 11:01 am

Heavy sea ice could mean slight delay in offshore Arctic drilling
By Kim Murphy

May 25, 2012, 8:11 p.m.

SEATTLE -- The heaviest polar ice in more than a decade is clinging to the northern coast of Alaska and could postpone the commencement of offshore oil drilling in the Arctic until the beginning of August — a delay of up to two weeks, Shell Alaska officials said Friday..........................http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nati ... 0238.story
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Postby Narrow Back » 05/ 30/ 12 9:38 am

I guess the imminent demise of mankind depends on whether the President is a Republican or a Democrat.

Mother Nature sure is fickle!


EARTH SUMMIT? WHAT EARTH SUMMIT?

I mentioned here yesterday that President Obama has gone silent about climate change, and is not currently planning to attend the Rio Earth Summit next month, which is the 20th anniversary of the Earth Summit that started the who UN climate change circus and bestowed on us the infamous Kyoto Protocol, which I have elsewhere described as the most feckless diplomatic product since the Kellogg-Briand Pact of 1928 that promised to end war.

Back in 1992, President Bush faced an onslaught from environmental groups to pressure him into attending the Rio meeting, including this video voiced by Darth Vader himself that 10 environmental groups sponsored as an ad in movie theaters:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2 ... summit.php
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Postby RedDog » 05/ 30/ 12 9:50 am

Minus 72ºc and clear at Vostok Station. You'll need a flamethrower to clear the windshield this morning. I stand to be corrected but I believe that equates to minus 100ºF.

Still, a balmy minus 65ºc at Amundsen-Scott Station. They always have the great vacation conditions.

Still no melting. Still lying.
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Postby Narrow Back » 06/ 03/ 12 10:52 pm


THIS IS JUST TOO FUNNY

Can I give a Power Line Green Weenie Award in reverse? This news item is just too perfect:

Headline: Heavy ice could delay start of Shell Alaska’s Arctic drilling

BY KIM MURPHY

LOS ANGELES TIMES

SEATTLE – The heaviest polar ice in more than a decade could postpone the start of offshore oil drilling in the Arctic Ocean until the beginning of August, a delay of up to two weeks, Shell Alaska officials said. . .

“We’re seeing multiyear ice that they’ve not seen in such large quantities in over a decade, and it could impact our ability to start the well,” Slaiby said. Of particular concern, he said, is the region of the Chukchi Sea around the company’s Berger Prospect – potentially the crown jewel of the company’s offshore oil inventory – which in normal years would be accessible by mid-July. This year, it may be unreachable until late July or early August.

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Postby styky » 06/ 07/ 12 4:19 pm

Arctic bloom: Record phytoplankton growth found under Arctic ice

Margaret Munro, Postmedia News Jun 7, 2012 – 4:13 PM ET | Last Updated: Jun 7, 2012 4:22 PM ET
The most intense phytoplankton bloom recorded on Earth occurred under the Arctic ice last summer — a finding that has stunned seasoned polar scientists.

“The ice was over a metre thick,” says Kevin Arrigo at Stanford University, leader of the international team that reported Thursday finding the massive bright green algal bloom beneath the ice.

It turns out that first-year polar ice — long considered impenetrable to sunlight — can create ideal conditions for growing phytoplankton, the single-celled plants crucial to the Arctic food chain.

“It’s like the perfect environment,” says Arrigo.

The team was on a U.S. icebreaker smashing its way across the Chukchi Sea between Siberia and Alaska last July when equipment used to measure phytoplankton went “haywire.”

“We thought there was something wrong with the instruments,” Arrigo told Postmedia News......................http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/06/07 ... rctic-ice/
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Postby RedDog » 06/ 07/ 12 4:23 pm

Vostok Station showing minus 89c (feels like -126f) :shock: Dropping to minus 91c later. Still no melting. :D

http://www.wimp.com/antarcticaweather/
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Postby styky » 06/ 07/ 12 5:05 pm

RedDog wrote:Vostok Station showing minus 89c (feels like -126f) :shock: Dropping to minus 91c later. Still no melting. :D

http://www.wimp.com/antarcticaweather/


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