"Principle Test" for CPC Members of Parliament

[RedDog]

It seems more and more everyday, I wonder why I voted for Harper and why I voted period. My entire family is beginning to feel the same way. I would never vote for the other 2 parties, so next election I doubt I will be putting an X for anyone.

It seems more and more evident to me by the day that the wrong people are taking to the streets. What is to become of the future when more and more of the ones paying the freight and doing the lifting just say "screw it"?

[Fairwarning]

It seems more and more everyday, I wonder why I voted for Harper and why I voted period. My entire family is beginning to feel the same way. I would never vote for the other 2 parties, so next election I doubt I will be putting an X for anyone.

It seems more and more evident to me by the day that the wrong people are taking to the streets. What is to become of the future when more and more of the ones paying the freight and doing the lifting just say "screw it"?

That's true RD.

But if I'm not happy with my current conservative govt and certainly would never vote for the alternatives, what can a person do? Send an email to my MP?...I'm sure he will regard my letter as important. I know it's an old cliche, but politicians screw us over everytime. If it isn't a liberal, it's a conservative and vice versa....Ottawa just reeks. But than we're back to what you said, it's like I'm giving up.

[wildernessvoice]

It seems more and more everyday, I wonder why I voted for Harper and why I voted period. My entire family is beginning to feel the same way. I would never vote for the other 2 parties, so next election I doubt I will be putting an X for anyone.

The last time I felt this way was when Preston Manning brought the Reform option to Ontario.
They were heady days when the loyal yeoman, out doing the work of the new party, were called bigots and racists.
We never flinched.
Who would have guessed that the Ontario members would bring down the Reform Party a few years later.
If the West had said NO to Ontario wanting in I believe there would still be a strong Reform element in Ottawa.

[Godwin]

It seems more and more everyday, I wonder why I voted for Harper and why I voted period. My entire family is beginning to feel the same way. I would never vote for the other 2 parties, so next election I doubt I will be putting an X for anyone.

The last time I felt this way was when Preston Manning brought the Reform option to Ontario.
They were heady days when the loyal yeoman, out doing the work of the new party, were called bigots and racists.
We never flinched.
Who would have guessed that the Ontario members would bring down the Reform Party a few years later.
If the West had said NO to Ontario wanting in I believe there would still be a strong Reform element in Ottawa.

People should have guessed. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? Protest movements arise reformers are sent to Ottawa or provincial capitals and integrated into the system or marginalized and destroyed. Particularly easy in a first past the post system. Perhaps a bit harder in a proportional rep system.

What do you need to know that was not covered by the Iron Law of Oligarchy. Assume politicians act in their own self interest. That is not the same as acting in your interest. When one comes along who is an outlier, such as Ron Paul,
compare and contrast.

Don't vote it only enourages them. And its bad for the enviornment. Driving increases your carbon footprint.

[Godwin]

All the MPs are gutless and must toe the party line- None would dare vote against
anything the 'Don' orders - F*** the constituents - They are like a 16 year old
who just got laid - They just want to get back in-
That is the basic trouble with our so called democracy-
I have voted Conservative all my life-
I am starting to agree with Connie-
Harper is a power mad martinet -
I honestly don't know what to do with my vote-
I sure hate to waste the privilege of voting

" the lesser evil is not the same as marginally acceptable."

Priviledge? Hardly.

Voting makes you complicit.

[Hodgson]

Here's some cheese for all your whine....

[Faramir]

Principles MPs would have left the party when O'Connor threw social conservatives under the bus. Apparently golden pensions trump principle.

[Angleland]

I will say little in defenc ef Ontario normally but the people who initially joined Refrom were sincere and got things going from scratch including several large rallies in the GTA. But then Manning and his drones began to stick their ore in and strove to micromanage things. The John Gamble nomination nullification was a farce. After the 1993 election, the drama in Reform wAs tiresome. Indiviudals were installed and then pirched invariably getting accused of sexual harrassment, homosexual pedophila or stealing money. As the next election neared, Manning crowned the once and future Liberal Joe Peschisolido, a law grad who managed moma and dada's apartment buildings, as his Ontario Savior. He did such a great job, Reform did not win one single seat in Ontario - including the Mighty Joe who had sworn he would not run as a candidate when Presto crowned him.

Back to the present, it's too bad there are not a few MP's with any guts from the classes of 2004 and 2006 who are obviously going to get their MP pensions. But maybe they hope for that cabinet appointment.

As for the USA stuff, if sovereignty wa sgoing to be surrendered, the least they could have done is get us the benefits of being a satrapy (labour mobility) and not just the disadvantages.

[Peter O'Donnell]

So now it's let them eat cheese, instead of cake?

You'll be a Senator in no time, Hodgson.

[Smaug]

Does anyone have a link to this omnibus bill with budget measures attached (it is not a budget by the way just has financial measures attached), particularly that portion that supposedly allows U.S. agents to police Canadian citizens on Canadian soil?

[Connie Fournier]

Here's some cheese for all your whine....

Here is a new avatar for you:

[Narrow Back]

Here's some cheese for all your whine....

Here's something for you. All this CPC salad tossing must leave a terrible taste in your mouth. Then again... you probably like it.

[WarHawkster]

being the devil's advocate that I am, i'd like to hear the other side of the story. i haven't been much up on canadian politics lately, what is the gov'ts rationale on this issue? it sounds bad to me, and i don't like it one bit, but i'm not prepared to jump on the bandwagon just yet.

for me it's a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils. i'll still end up voting for the CPC because i know how dangerous the other guys are. if the NDP get in it could quite possibly mean i lose a job, so i am quite willing to hold my nose and vote CPC.

i understand why many are dissatisfied with the conservatives, but you are never going to see a 100% principled conservative party, and if you did, they would never be elected, period. anything else is just wishful thinking. we live in a country that has some very backward veiws about economics and government, and it's not going to get any better when the younger generations begin to have more influence. just look at paybec and the student protests.

people in my generation (i'm 24) are enamoured with Obama, the green party, the NDP, and socialism in general. that's not going to change over night. democracy in this country doesn't exactly have a bright future, so i think a little authoritarianism is called for.

[Hodgson]

Bravo

[Jean]

I love the US but their cops have no bussiness in Canada. It's already hard enough to trust our own cops...