Canada and SSM,Pedophila,& Sex Trafficking

[mindyrbusiness]

( Adapted from a US. preacher's commentary on Canada's filthy manner of life)

Starting with an aggressive demonstration on Parliament Hill in 1971,(protesting the police gay bathhouse raids) the homosexual activists have gotten a stranglehold on Canada . In rapid succession, the governmental forces of the Canadian provinces and at the federal level gave into every demand, including special employment protection in all government positions, full and open access to the military, promoting homosexual immigration into Canada, and amending the governmental Charters of Rights and Freedoms to add sexual orientation as a protected class.

One of the many ultra-liberal, perverse religious organizations in Canada makes itself very busy promoting the homo cause, including SS marriage. An example of its passionate pleas: The majority of Canadian adults favor SSM [same sex marriage] and regard marriage as a fundamental human right. Many feel that maintaining second-class citizenship for same-sex couples is profoundly immoral. Most feel that granting marriage rights to those same-sex couples who want to marry would strengthen the institution of marriage.

Describing the rapid and eager slide into moral poison on this issue, one religious tolerance group brags about how Canada became only the third political jurisdiction in the world to allow homo couples to marry (behind Holland and Belgium) when the province of Ontario declared such marriages legal in 2003. From there, it was a happy hop, skip and jump to today, where homo marriages are legally allowed in 100% of Canadian jurisdictions:

On 2005-FEB-01, the federal government introduced bill C-38 to legalize SSM from sea onto sea. The main result of the bill would be that about 10% of same-sex couples who wish to get married will be able to do it more conveniently -- without the nuisance of having to leave their province or territory of residence. Also, their status would be raised from simple roommates to a married couple in their province or territory of residence.

As of 2005-JUL-19, courts had ruled that same-sex couples can now marry in eight out of the ten provinces of Canada, and in one out of the three territories. A court case was active at the time in the Northwest Territories. Alberta remained intransigent. Prince Edward Island had announced that it was planning to legalize SSM.

Bill C-38 passed its final vote in the House of Commons during the evening of 2005-JUN-28. The vote was 158 to 133. The bill passed its final vote in the Senate by a vote of 47 to 21 with three abstentions on 2005-JUL-19. It was signed into law on 2005-JUL-20 by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Canada. The Governor General, who usually proclaims legislation, was incapacitated for medical reasons.

As of 2005-JUL-20, 99.6% of the population of Canada lived in a jurisdiction where same-sex couples can marry. On 2005-AUG-19, PEI capitulated, and this became 100%.

But, Canada's wholesale acceptance of homosexual marriage is just the latest in its long and rich history of accepting and promoting sexual perversion. In a paper entitled Canada's Legal Age of Consent to Sexual Activity, published by the fancy Library of Parliament, Parliamentary Information and Research Service, Law and Government Division, the grotesque yet proudly-held history of Canada in refusing to put any restrictions on any sexual activity involving anyone aged 14 or over (or even as young as 12 if deemed consensual) Canadians are big on pomp and circumstance that is, but woefully short on decency and even basic protection of children.

Toronto markets itself as homo friendly: having one of the strongest gay & lesbian communities in all of Canada. Toronto has taken some strong steps in marketing itself to the GLBT community, including hosting the IGLTA Convention in 2009. Tourism Toronto is also making outreach in marketing to the gay & lesbian community. With gay marriage now legal many of these campaigns have focused not only on some of the arts & entertainment aspects of the city, but also some of the newly-developed gay wedding and marriage services offered in Toronto. Of course, lets not forget Remingtons, the local strip club that is famous the world over for their beautiful erotic dancers from all over Canada

Homos have a 3-point agenda: 1) decriminalize sodomy, 2) add to the protected classes as victims like blacks, and 3) criminalize Gospel preaching against homosexuals.

On April 28, 2004, Canada passed a law making any criticism of homosexuals a crime punishable by fines and imprisonment. The churches and preachers of Canada tried massive last-minute lobbying and protests on Parliament Hill to defeat the bill -- too little, too late!

Sexual trafficking (report from http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/tiprpt/2008/105386.htm)

Canada is a source, transit, and destination country for men, women, and children trafficked for the purposes of commercial sexual exploitation and forced labor. Women and children are trafficked primarily from Asia and Eastern Europe for sexual exploitation, but victims from Africa, Latin America, and the Caribbean also have been identified in Canada. Many trafficking victims are from Thailand, Cambodia, Malaysia, Vietnam, and South Korea, in addition to Russia and Ukraine. Asian victims tend to be trafficked more frequently to Vancouver and Western Canada, while Eastern European and Latin American victims are trafficked more often to Toronto and Eastern Canada. A significant number of victims, particularly South Korean females, are trafficked through Canada to the United States. Canada is a source country for sex tourism, and NGOs report that Canada is also a destination country, particularly for sex tourists from the United States. Canadian girls and women, many of whom are aboriginal, are trafficked internally for commercial sexual exploitation. NGOs report that Canada is a destination for foreign victims trafficked for labor exploitation; many of these victims enter Canada legally but then are unlawfully exploited in agriculture and domestic servitude.

[T.G.]

Yes, all the pathologies feed off each other, facilitated by the ruling class up above.

[Scanner]

There is a major flaw in the reasoning above, namely, pedophilia and human trafficking are both illegal (and never likely to be legal), while SSM is both popular and legal.

The items are not related, and conflating them is a thinly disguised smear.

There is one area I do partially agree with in the article, those people who wish to preach or otherwise speak out against SSM should not be open to prosecution. Freedom of speech means free speech even for (perhaps especially for) those we disagree with.

[Julian]

There is a major flaw in the reasoning above, namely, pedophilia and human trafficking are both illegal (and never likely to be legal), while SSM is both popular and legal.

The items are not related, and conflating them is thinly disguised smear.

There is one area I do agree with the partially article, those people who wish to preach or otherwise speak out against SSM should not be open to prosecution. Freedom of speech means free speech even for (perhaps especially for) those we disagree with.

Ssm is not popular. Very few gays get married in Canada, it is a political and philosophical issue driven by gay activists and their supporters in and out of government office, not one based upon need or desire.

[Scanner]

Julian:"Ssm is not popular. "

Empirically false. Angus Reid polled Canadians in 2005 (when it was more controversial) and showed a 55% majority in favour of it, with only 38% opposed. I'll look for more recent numbers, but strongly suspect that the margin in favor is even larger now.

[FiscalConservative]

( Adapted from a US. preacher's commentary on Canada's filthy manner of life)

Starting with an aggressive demonstration on Parliament Hill in 1971,(protesting the police gay bathhouse raids) the homosexual activists have gotten a stranglehold on Canada . In rapid succession, the governmental forces of the Canadian provinces and at the federal level gave into every demand, including special employment protection in all government positions, full and open access to the military, promoting homosexual immigration into Canada, and amending the governmental Charters of Rights and Freedoms to add sexual orientation as a protected class.

One of the many ultra-liberal, perverse religious organizations in Canada makes itself very busy promoting the homo cause, including SS marriage. An example of its passionate pleas: The majority of Canadian adults favor SSM [same sex marriage] and regard marriage as a fundamental human right. Many feel that maintaining second-class citizenship for same-sex couples is profoundly immoral. Most feel that granting marriage rights to those same-sex couples who want to marry would strengthen the institution of marriage.

Describing the rapid and eager slide into moral poison on this issue, one religious tolerance group brags about how Canada became only the third political jurisdiction in the world to allow homo couples to marry (behind Holland and Belgium) when the province of Ontario declared such marriages legal in 2003. From there, it was a happy hop, skip and jump to today, where homo marriages are legally allowed in 100% of Canadian jurisdictions:

On 2005-FEB-01, the federal government introduced bill C-38 to legalize SSM from sea onto sea. The main result of the bill would be that about 10% of same-sex couples who wish to get married will be able to do it more conveniently -- without the nuisance of having to leave their province or territory of residence. Also, their status would be raised from simple roommates to a married couple in their province or territory of residence.

As of 2005-JUL-19, courts had ruled that same-sex couples can now marry in eight out of the ten provinces of Canada, and in one out of the three territories. A court case was active at the time in the Northwest Territories. Alberta remained intransigent. Prince Edward Island had announced that it was planning to legalize SSM.

Bill C-38 passed its final vote in the House of Commons during the evening of 2005-JUN-28. The vote was 158 to 133. The bill passed its final vote in the Senate by a vote of 47 to 21 with three abstentions on 2005-JUL-19. It was signed into law on 2005-JUL-20 by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Canada. The Governor General, who usually proclaims legislation, was incapacitated for medical reasons.

As of 2005-JUL-20, 99.6% of the population of Canada lived in a jurisdiction where same-sex couples can marry. On 2005-AUG-19, PEI capitulated, and this became 100%.

But, Canada's wholesale acceptance of homosexual marriage is just the latest in its long and rich history of accepting and promoting sexual perversion. In a paper entitled Canada's Legal Age of Consent to Sexual Activity, published by the fancy Library of Parliament, Parliamentary Information and Research Service, Law and Government Division, the grotesque yet proudly-held history of Canada in refusing to put any restrictions on any sexual activity involving anyone aged 14 or over (or even as young as 12 if deemed consensual) Canadians are big on pomp and circumstance that is, but woefully short on decency and even basic protection of children.

Toronto markets itself as homo friendly: having one of the strongest gay & lesbian communities in all of Canada. Toronto has taken some strong steps in marketing itself to the GLBT community, including hosting the IGLTA Convention in 2009. Tourism Toronto is also making outreach in marketing to the gay & lesbian community. With gay marriage now legal many of these campaigns have focused not only on some of the arts & entertainment aspects of the city, but also some of the newly-developed gay wedding and marriage services offered in Toronto. Of course, lets not forget Remingtons, the local strip club that is famous the world over for their beautiful erotic dancers from all over Canada

Homos have a 3-point agenda: 1) decriminalize sodomy, 2) add to the protected classes as victims like blacks, and 3) criminalize Gospel preaching against homosexuals.

On April 28, 2004, Canada passed a law making any criticism of homosexuals a crime punishable by fines and imprisonment. The churches and preachers of Canada tried massive last-minute lobbying and protests on Parliament Hill to defeat the bill -- too little, too late!

Sexual trafficking (report from http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/tiprpt/2008/105386.htm)

Canada is a source, transit, and destination country for men, women, and children trafficked for the purposes of commercial sexual exploitation and forced labor. Women and children are trafficked primarily from Asia and Eastern Europe for sexual exploitation, but victims from Africa, Latin America, and the Caribbean also have been identified in Canada. Many trafficking victims are from Thailand, Cambodia, Malaysia, Vietnam, and South Korea, in addition to Russia and Ukraine. Asian victims tend to be trafficked more frequently to Vancouver and Western Canada, while Eastern European and Latin American victims are trafficked more often to Toronto and Eastern Canada. A significant number of victims, particularly South Korean females, are trafficked through Canada to the United States. Canada is a source country for sex tourism, and NGOs report that Canada is also a destination country, particularly for sex tourists from the United States. Canadian girls and women, many of whom are aboriginal, are trafficked internally for commercial sexual exploitation. NGOs report that Canada is a destination for foreign victims trafficked for labor exploitation; many of these victims enter Canada legally but then are unlawfully exploited in agriculture and domestic servitude.

I see no link between homosexuality and sex trafficking in this article. If anything, it's heterosexual sex trafficking that this text speaks of, which is already illegal and the traffickers should probably be beheaded.

If you're trying to come up with some sort of coherent "canadaletseveryonedowhattheywant" argument, it's not very cohesive nor well thought out. There are laws in place for human trafficking and sexual exploitation, if you have any tips or information about anyone engaging in these activities, why don't you notify the police?

[Brown envelope]

Julian:"Ssm is not popular. "

Empirically false. Angus Reid polled Canadians in 2005 (when it was more controversial) and showed a 55% majority in favour of it, with only 38% opposed. I'll look for more recent numbers, but strongly suspect that the margin in favor is even larger now.

Um, no.

First of all, how was the question posed? I think a majority of Canadians will support SSM civil unions, but not strictly SSM. Secondly, what the U.S. has demonstrated in regards to SSM is that what people say on the phone to a pollster and what they vote on are completely different. Calfornia voted against SSM twice for Pete's sake and the gay activists had to do the Canadian thing and take the state to court. States like Virginia with Democrat senators have squashed SSM by large margins.

[Scanner]

Brown Envelope:"Um, no."

Uh..Yeah. Just a quick google search turned up a range of polls from the last three years showing between 60-80% in favour. But don't take my word for it, I'm sure your google works just as well as mine.

Brown Envelope:"First of all, how was the question posed? I think a majority of Canadians will support SSM civil unions, but not strictly SSM. Secondly, what the U.S. has demonstrated in regards to SSM is that what people say on the phone to a pollster and what they vote on are completely different. Calfornia voted against SSM twice for Pete's sake and the gay activists had to do the Canadian thing and take the state to court. States like Virginia with Democrat senators have squashed SSM by large margins."

The questions for different pollsters will be worded differently, but as an aggregate they show broad support. One interesting poll of Canadan Catholics showed majority support for SSM among them (UBC conducted that one). In exactly zero cases was there anything less than 55% support - and that was the one I quoted from Angus Reid.

Now you may not want to believe the polls - fair enough, but absent any evidence that SSM is unpopular, and given a wide range of polls that show it is either popular or VERY popular, I'll side with the evidence.

[Lee Enfield]

On same sex marriage, I say forget about it. There is more important issues that should be discussed that are not being discussed because of the endless bickering on the S.S.M issue. America right now is an excellent example.

[Brown envelope]

Brown Envelope:"Um, no."

Uh..Yeah. Just a quick google search turned up a range of polls from the last three years showing between 60-80% in favour. But don't take my word for it, I'm sure your google works just as well as mine.

Brown Envelope:"First of all, how was the question posed? I think a majority of Canadians will support SSM civil unions, but not strictly SSM. Secondly, what the U.S. has demonstrated in regards to SSM is that what people say on the phone to a pollster and what they vote on are completely different. Calfornia voted against SSM twice for Pete's sake and the gay activists had to do the Canadian thing and take the state to court. States like Virginia with Democrat senators have squashed SSM by large margins."

The questions for different pollsters will be worded differently, but as an aggregate they show broad support. One interesting poll of Canadan Catholics showed majority support for SSM among them (UBC conducted that one). In exactly zero cases was there anything less than 55% support - and that was the one I quoted from Angus Reid.

Now you may not want to believe the polls - fair enough, but absent any evidence that SSM is unpopular, and given a wide range of polls that show it is either popular or VERY popular, I'll side with the evidence.

Your Google must not be the same as mine, because what I am finding as far as 2004 Ipsos Reid those opposed still were on top, an Environics Research Group (CBC run poll) in 2005 said the same thing. As I said, I believe if the issue was black and white, Canadians would oppose SSM. If the term 'civil union' was used a majority of Canadians would support that...it all depends on how the question is asked which of course is never revealed.

[Scanner]

Brown Envelope:"because what I am finding as far as 2004 Ipsos Reid those opposed still were on top, an Environics Research Group (CBC run poll) in 2005 said the same thing"

Angus Reid 2012 had a solid 60% in favour of SSM. I think the ship has sailed (and is already in the West Indies) on civil unions vs marriage.

That all said, my original point is that the above article is a weak and sad attempt to lump the legal (and I maintain, popular) SSM with illegal and unpopular pedophilia and human trafficking.

There is no major (or even minor) party in Canada that sees a reason to overturn SSM, and equally no party that finds any reason to question the illegality of pedophilia or human trafficking.

So there simply is no slippery slope.

[richardson]

20 years ago SSM was illegal and unpopular. The change came about through a concerted and intense effort. Mindyrbusiness's post points out, in part, that the same concerted and intense effort can be seen in other areas. It's just beginning, but we have learned to read the signs.

[Brown envelope]

20 years ago SSM was illegal and unpopular. The change came about through a concerted and intense effort. Mindyrbusiness's post points out, in part, that the same concerted and intense effort can be seen in other areas. It's just beginning, but we have learned to read the signs.

Twenty years ago? It was unpopluar less than a decade ago.

[Scanner]

Brown Envelope:"Twenty years ago? It was unpopluar less than a decade ago"

Agreed, but I think there are major, and comprehensive differences between SSM and human trafficking/pedophilia that render any equation of them little short of insane.

SSM is extending a right to consenting adults already enjoyed by other consenting adults.

Extending the inherently conservative institution of marriage to gays has tangible benefits to both the couples who marry and as a consequence to society.

There is s manifest unfairness to excluding people from a secular offering of the institution (religious versions are obviously different - and their ability to exclude as they see fit should not be infringed).

But none of those arguments are possible with pedophilia or human trafficking.

[richardson]

Brown Envelope: you're right, of course. I couldn't remember when the first court case was. That marriage meant a man and a woman, and not two of the same sex, was so manifestly reasonable, so tangibly essential to society, that the vast majority of society could not imagine what that little fringe group was up to.
And once more, little fringe groups are up to it again.