Ed Stelmach blames Climate Change denial on Wildrose loss.

[Hodgson]

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/politi ... story.html

EDMONTON — Danielle Smith’s position on climate change — not allegations of bigotry in the Wildrose party — killed her chance to end the Progressive Conservative dynasty, says former Tory premier Ed Stelmach.

Alberta’s 13th premier said he was confident his party....

[Hodgson]

One thing I think we can all agree on.....getting rid of this moron was worth whatever the price.

[Faramir]

Could be true. Suzuki is Canada's most trusted person.

Then again it could be her support of private delivery. We don't really know because none of the polls really asked those questions.

[Hodgson]

Also...polls don't work anymore....

[Sneaky]

One thing I think we can all agree on.....getting rid of this moron was worth whatever the price.

as he proved once again that the "Special Ed" moniker fit perfectly.

A lot of people I know quite well chastised me for supporting Wildrose. That, combined with other casual conversations prior to the election, I can safely say that there isn't a bit of truth that climate change denial was the #1 reason people wouldn't vote Wildrose. It wasn't #2 or #3 or ......

#1 was easily the typical fear-mongering lines about the religious right and the conscience rights platform was all the proof many needed. Off the mark stereotyping to be sure but still the fear-mongering done by the campaign workers that I know personally for the PC candidate in my riding in the last week was relentless and very effective.

[doggedlyright]

I think the polling was rather accurate.

What you are not taking into consideration is the consequences to our current political structure and our parties if Wildrose was elected and implemented their policies.

First, the plan clearly stated that the elected representatives worked for the people and the people would determine any pay raises. and the use of recall

Second, politicians were to be paid for the position and receive no additional money for sitting in committees.

Thirdly, they proposed asking the people on key issues via referendum.

Fourthly, I believe Wildrose would have invoked the not withstanding clause on programs such as bilingualism, multi culture and Equalization.


My gut feel is the political parties across this country orchestrated an attack against Wildrose. My gut feel is it was led from Ottawa and downtown Toronto. My gut tells me they utilized firms from the USA to ensure that Wildrose was destroyed for this election. My gut tells me there was huge voter fraud in this election. My gut tells me they will work for the next 4 years to get within the powers of Wildrose to weaken it and make it like any other political party ... corrupt and useless.

From this event, the robocall issue, the muzzling of MP's by Harper, the outright pilfering of taxpayer monies by all political parties, there is no true electoral democracy in this country. The political parties and the politicians arfe not there for the people only for themselves and their friends.

If one is to vote, the selection should be based on which politician will misuse the taxpayers' monies the least. Terrible statement on our system of goverance.

[Hodgson]

That's a lot of feelings in your gut.

Fact is...the polls were horribly, horribly wrong.

Everything else is speculation.

[doggedlyright]

the fact of the matter is this .... a Wildrose victory was and is a direct threat to Harper and all political parties.


The staus quo would have changed. They tried the same thing with Reform and CSIS. It did not work in the long run.

The reform movement was destroyed when Harper when the leaderhsip of the Alliance and welcoming in the red try horde into positions of importance.

The corruption has only gotten worse with our political system since Harper has taken a prominent role

Now you can begin the bashing

[Faramir]

One thing I think we can all agree on.....getting rid of this moron was worth whatever the price.

as he proved once again that the "Special Ed" moniker fit perfectly.

A lot of people I know quite well chastised me for supporting Wildrose. That, combined with other casual conversations prior to the election, I can safely say that there isn't a bit of truth that climate change denial was the #1 reason people wouldn't vote Wildrose. It wasn't #2 or #3 or ......

#1 was easily the typical fear-mongering lines about the religious right and the conscience rights platform was all the proof many needed. Off the mark stereotyping to be sure but still the fear-mongering done by the campaign workers that I know personally for the PC candidate in my riding in the last week was relentless and very effective.

Interesting you say that. I wonder if it really was due to "bozo" remarks...or was the Redford campaign gonna look tooth and nail for any evidence whatsoever in someone's past in the WRA of social conservatism and play the fear card anyways. If it wasn't those two candidates it would have been someone else.

Smith had class (which is sadly often the case with conservatives) and refused to play dirty.

[catonist]

Fact is...the polls were horribly, horribly wrong.

Do you really think the polls were wrong? That's a sincere question, not rhetorical.

The theory I think might have the most weight is that the polls were correct insofar as they were reporting voter intentions at any one time. But that media reporting on the polls failed to consider that a) Liberal voters might migrate en masse to the Conservatives on election day, and b) large numbers of undecided might do the same.

[Hodgson]

The polls had no reflection of the results and are thus useless.

[pirapoi]

The polling for the Libs and NDP was close, although both were overestimated by a couple of points.

PC 44% (actual vote) 33% polls = 11%
WR 34% (actual vote) 41% polls = 7%

That's an 18% difference.

[smallLliberal]

I would guess Climate Change was only one of 3 or 4 issues that scared people away.

Believe it or not yourself, most Canadians really do think the climate is all f'd up.

[Smaug]

Believe it or not yourself, most Canadians really do think the climate is all f'd up.

Most do not. Some do. There are people out there who still believe in global warming, but they are usually not very analytical in nature.

[Julian]

Most Canadians realize the agw hysteria is a compete fabrication and a U.N. conspiracy against the free industrialized world.

That is what "most" Canadians know. ... then there are the cement heads....