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Postby PoliticallyIncorrect » 04/ 15/ 12 11:02 am

styky wrote:Someone needs to sit these simpletons down and explain what an election is and why we have them.


Students to rally in Montreal against Charest’s nine years of government
http://thechronicleherald.ca/canada/867 ... government

The truth is coming out. These protests have nothing to do with paying less than $1 a day extra for their tuition. These protesters are pawns of the unions and the separatists.
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Re: Quebec students clash with police at tuition hike rally

Postby styky » 04/ 17/ 12 10:13 am

Graeme Hamilton: Striking Quebec students fail the test of democracy

Graeme Hamilton Apr 16, 2012 – 2:31 PM ET | Last Updated: Apr 17, 2012 7:41 AM ET

I have to confess, I have not been overly sympathetic to the cause of Quebec university students, now into the 10th week of a strike to protest government plans to raise tuition fees. The proposed hikes of $325-a-year over five years will still leave students paying well below the national average and, adjusted for inflation, the same amount as students did back in 1968.

Then I heard Professor Charmain Levy of Université du Québec en Outaouais interviewed on TV Monday, and I reconsidered. A group of students had just barricaded themselves inside the school, in defiance of a Quebec Superior Court injunction issued Friday. That injunction, sought by students who opposed the strike and wanted to resume their educations, ordered the school to reopen Monday and told the student association to end all “intimidation, picketing, threats and demonstrations” aimed at blocking access.

Ms. Levy, a professor in the social sciences faculty, thought it was just super that the defiant students, many of them masked, had prevented entry to the Gatineau campus, ultimately forcing the university to cancel the day’s classes. “Their struggle is peaceful,” she said. “It’s their right — we are in a democracy, after all — to express themselves against this injunction.” The tuition fee issue is “a political question not a legal one.”............http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... democracy/
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Re: Quebec students clash with police at tuition hike rally

Postby styky » 04/ 18/ 12 10:41 am

Students don't know how good they have it

Western provinces are subsidizing cheap tuition in Quebec while their own students pay twice as much to attend university

By L. IAN MACDONALD, Freelance April 18, 2012



What is it about Quebec university students that, from one cohort to the next, they don't know how good they have it?

Nearly 175,000 students are currently boycotting classes, for which they pay only about 10 per cent of the cost, in protest against the Charest government's intention to increase undergraduate tuition fees for Quebec students by $325 a year over the next five years.

In taking to the streets - invading métro stations, disrupting traffic and even sacking the office of Education Minister Line Beauchamp - students have crossed the line from expressing their own freedom of speech and assembly to disrupting the lives of the very citizens and taxpayers who pay their bills.

Beauchamp, for one, isn't for the turning. "Don't expect me to give in to intimidation," she said in a weekend interview.

Good, the government needs to show some steel. This is not Quebec's Arab Spring; it's only a step removed from anarchy.

And here's the thing: even when the tuition increases are fully implemented, for a total increase of $1,625 over the five-year period, Quebec will in all likelihood still have the lowest tuition rates in the country. Only Newfoundland and Labrador is even close to Quebec's rockbottom tuition fees.

The current average undergrad fee in Quebec of $2,519 is less than half the national average of $5,366, according to Statistics Canada. In Ontario, the average tuition is $6,640. In oil-rich Alberta, tuition is $5,662, in Saskatchewan it's $5,601, while in British Columbia it's $4,852.

This is a sore point in Western Canada. The three Western provinces pay the lion's share of equalization, $14 billion a year to six recipient provinces, of which Quebec received $8.5 billion in fiscal 2011, before declining to $7.8 billion in fiscal 2012, for an average of $8.1 billion over the last two years.

At some level, the Western provinces are subsidizing cheap tuition in Quebec, while their own students pay twice as much. In terms of a united federation, the effects are potentially corrosive.

The idea of equalization was to enable recipient provinces to provide comparable services, not cheaper ones.

Quebec insists it allocates its equalization receipts to other services, but there's only one budget and equalization is part of it. If you add $7.4 billion in the current fiscal year, Quebec's equalization transfers from the fees come to $23.7 billion over the last three years, according to Finance Canada.

In all, Quebec derives 25 per cent of its government revenue from federal transfers, twice as much as Ontario and B.C., at 13 and 12 per cent respectively, and 3.5 times as much as Alberta at seven per cent. Which might explain why Quebec has 217 doctors per 100,000 population, second-highest in the country, while Alberta has only 197, just above the national average of 192. These figures are from a 2010 study by Ben Eisen and Mark Milke of the Frontier Centre for Public Policy.

With only 20 per cent of the daycare-eligible population, Quebec has 50 per cent of all the daycare spaces in the country. Alberta is ranked eighth, and B.C. seventh. Don't get them started out west about Quebec's $7-adaycare. Someone is paying for it.

The point of the study is that these two have provinces, along with Ontario, are actually have-nots when it comes to a range of government services, or at least lagging rather than leading.

Back to the tuition issue. Some of the students actually think university should be free. After all, the CEGEPs are free. Even many private high schools have their tuition subsidized by Quebec, the main reason privateschool enrolment rates in this province are more than twice the national average.

Does lower tuition produce better outcomes in the way of higher participation and graduation rates? Nope. Six provinces have a higher graduation rate, as McGill Principal Heather Munroe-Blum and others have noted.

It's also a given that no student in Quebec is turned away because of need. Student aid already works well here, and will be even more generous because of the government's commitment to allocate 35 per cent of the tuition increase, or nearly $575 of the $1,625 over five years, to the program.

Finally, students are paying less now, adjusted for inflation, than my cohort did in 1968-69, when I was in my senior year on what is now the Loyola campus of Concordia University. Tuition then was $600 per year, and many of us also had bursary money, which naturally became beer money.

All these years later, my 21-year-old daughter is paying less than I did to attend university. And before she transferred to Concordia, she was attending American University in Washington, where the tuition was $34,000 a year.

It helps to have a bit of perspective on this.

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Re: Quebec students clash with police at tuition hike rally

Postby GreyBowel » 04/ 18/ 12 11:16 am

The way this is being handled provides more evidence that the policing at Caledonia was not race-based, but a standard tactic of police/court forces at this time.
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Re: Quebec students clash with police at tuition hike rally

Postby Angleland » 04/ 18/ 12 4:45 pm

Montral gets the best subways-Toronto has to do with crappy steetcars/cattle cars-so does Calgary from what I have seen.

Same applies for education. Quebec gets the best the others can pay for. Now that Ontario has come a cropper under McFLy, we can't pay anymore.
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Re: Quebec students clash with police at tuition hike rally

Postby Machiaveli » 04/ 18/ 12 6:54 pm

Angleland wrote:Montral gets the best subways-Toronto has to do with crappy steetcars/cattle cars-so does Calgary from what I have seen.

Same applies for education. Quebec gets the best the others can pay for. Now that Ontario has come a cropper under McFLy, we can't pay anymore.


Actually our ''Metros'' break down at least once a month. Two years ago I remember them shutting down three days in a row, during rush hour, blaming it on ''humidity''. Gee, that's quite an unpredictable scenario, considering we live on an Island!

And our universities are in poor shape, both in terms of services and infrastructure. One example that IRRITATED me, was having to get a transcript. Took 2 weeks in Montreal, whereas it was on printed on the spot in Toronto. I've attended Universities in Ontario and they are heavenly compared to the ones in Québec.

You get what you pay for...Although I'll be graduating under a heap of debt, I'm glad I did the switch.
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Re: Quebec students clash with police at tuition hike rally

Postby styky » 04/ 19/ 12 12:23 am

Support for students slips in wake of vandalism


By Philip Authier, The Gazette April 18, 2012


Public support for the student protest movement has taken a significant drop in the wake of various guerrilla vandalism tactics.

A Léger Marketing poll produced for the Journal de Montréal shows only 38 per cent of Quebecers support the students in their tuition fee-hike battle with the Quebec government.

That is a seven-per-cent drop from the last Léger poll on the same issue conducted March 28. At that time, 45 per cent supported them.

That means Quebec’s decision to increase tuition by $325 a year, for the next five years, now has the support of 53 per cent of Quebecers. That was the level in March when the debate started. It then slipped to 49 per cent to finally come back up.

According to Léger’s pollsters, there is direct link between the drop in support for students and the increase in vandalism and social disruptions.

“Quebecers do not like squabbles,” said Léger pollster Christian Bourque. “So seeing the movement get more radical displeased them.”

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Re: Quebec students clash with police at tuition hike rally

Postby PoliticallyIncorrect » 04/ 19/ 12 7:29 am

A Léger Marketing poll produced for the Journal de Montréal shows only 38 per cent of Quebecers support the students in their tuition fee-hike battle with the Quebec government.
I don't understand how could anyone support these "students" at this point?
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Re: Quebec students clash with police at tuition hike rally

Postby styky » 04/ 19/ 12 7:52 pm

150 arrested during escalating Quebec student protest
The Canadian Press GATINEAU, Que.
Published Thursday, Apr. 19, 2012 8:15PM EDT
Last updated Thursday, Apr. 19, 2012 8:19PM EDT
Increasingly nasty skirmishes in Quebec between police and student protesters resulted in 150 arrests in one spot Thursday, in a province filled with politically charged anti-tuition demonstrations.

The arrests came at the Universite du Quebec at Gatineau, where authorities described scenes of vandalism and considerable damage............http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... le2408306/
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Re: Quebec students clash with police at tuition hike rally

Postby styky » 04/ 20/ 12 9:45 pm

Chaotic scene mars Charest's Plan Nord event

A demonstrator throws a rock towards the police line during a student demonstration outside the Montreal Convention Centre against hikes to university and college tuition fees Friday, April 20, 2012 in Montreal. (Paul Chiasson / THE CANADIAN PRESS)..............http://m.ctv.ca/topstories/20120420/cha ... 20420.html
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Re: Quebec students clash with police at tuition hike rally

Postby free_life2 » 04/ 21/ 12 4:19 pm

Cut all the professors salaries in half, problem solved. They mostly are all socialists anyways and so should be happy to do a little to end elitism.
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Re: Quebec students clash with police at tuition hike rally

Postby styky » 04/ 23/ 12 6:03 pm

Perhaps given the fact that these are educated people they could have done this long before they were arrested forever changing their ability to cross the border for spring or any other break. :roll:


Quebec students agree to call truce in effort to resolve strike over tuition hike
Rhéal Séguin
QUEBEC CITY— Globe and Mail Update
Published Monday, Apr. 23, 2012 3:29PM EDT
Last updated Monday, Apr. 23, 2012 4:55PM EDT
Quebec student associations have accepted the Quebec government’s invitation calling for a 48-hour truce in their protest movement that has recently sparked violent clashes with police in a last ditch effort to resolve the ten-week strike over university tuition fees.

If more more time was needed to reach a solution, the student leaders said they would even be willing to extend the truce. ................http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... le2411323/
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Re: Quebec students clash with police at tuition hike rally

Postby styky » 04/ 26/ 12 9:32 am

Montreal police and protesters rage through the night as tuition march turns violent

James Mennie, Peggy Curran, Katherine Wilton, Anne Sutherland, Karen Seidman and Monique Muise, Postmedia News Apr 26, 2012 – 7:51 AM ET
MONTREAL — Montreal is waking up to a morning of smashed windows, vandalized cars and questions about how a protest degenerated into yet another violent clash between police and demonstrators.

Anger over a short lived effort to put an end to the tuition crisis through negotiations bubbled over Wednesday night when a hastily-organized demonstration turned ugly and police used batons, pepper spray and percussion bombs to disperse the crowd.

After two hours of peaceful protest, police declared the march illegal and the situation unravelled quickly. A car was set on fire at a major downtown intersection and chaos ensued as the police started to push the crowd back using whatever tools they had in their arsenal.

Onlookers blamed a small group of protesters for instigating the trouble.

A standoff between mounted police and taunting protesters brought the crowd, estimated at about 5,000, to a dead halt and then the police intervention squad moved in banging their shields.

Police in full riot gear marched the the street in an area that was soon thick with pepper spray.

Within the crowd, some people were wearing ski goggles and masks as they ran away from police who had ordered the crowd to disperse around 10:15 p.m. Not long after the vandalism started.

Police said there were arrests but couldn’t say how many. They also couldn’t yet say if there were injuries, but both seemed inevitable as the night wore on.........http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/26 ... s-violent/
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Re: Quebec students clash with police at tuition hike rally

Postby styky » 04/ 26/ 12 12:23 pm

Black Bloc tactics used in Montreal riot, police say
Updated: Thu Apr. 26 2012 10:12:58

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Montreal police said Thursday the riot that took place overnight Wednesday occurred because Black Bloc tactics were used to cause mischief and damage to the downtown.

Violence erupted in the streets of Montreal Wednesday night after talks broke down between student groups and the Quebec government, eventually leading to 85 arrests and significant damage to buildings and vehicles in the downtown.

Several police officers were also injured in the riot that left the city stunned Thursday.............http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/ ... algaryHome
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Re: Quebec students clash with police at tuition hike rally

Postby styky » 04/ 26/ 12 3:37 pm

What they want and what they need are two entirely different things. What's needed is a good slap upside the head and a taste of reality. I'd like to some of these fools not only lose their year but lose their funding.



Quebec's protesting students: Who are they, and what do they want?

By: Stefani Forster, The Canadian Press
MONTREAL - Two of them study French literature, one is a musician and another will be teaching high school next year.

What do these young people have in common?

All are students involved in the protest movement that is sweeping the province and garnering some international attention.

They oppose Quebec's tuition hike, which would see university fees rise about 75 per cent over the next five years to about $3,800 a year.

The increase would still leave Quebec with some of the country's lowest university rates, prompting many observers to wonder: Why are these students protesting so aggressively?

The Canadian Press contacted students through their involvement in Facebook groups and student associations, asking them to explain why they became involved in the movement and what results they want to achieve.

In light of recent protests that have become disruptive, some did not want to be publicly associated with the movement and refused to be interviewed. Two asked, after having already been interviewed, to have their names removed. One asked not to be photographed.

Here are six students who were willing to publicly share their stories.

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Catherine Cote-Ostiguy

Master's student in French literature at McGill University

Age: 25

Career aspirations: Wants to work in the publishing industry after finishing her thesis.

Involvement: Active in the movement since its inception. Her poem-turned-YouTube video, called Speak Red, has almost 50,000 views to date. It's based on the classic Quebecois poem "Speak White," first recited in 1970 as a complaint against anti-francophone prejudice.

What she wants: Says ongoing events are not just a student movement, but a social movement with tuition fees being the first step. Says the government no longer reflects the people's will, and the protest goal is to "take back our society."

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Nick Lanctot

Third-year music student at CEGEP de Saint-Laurent

Age: 20

Career aspirations: Unsure of his future goals, but would like to make a living by playing, writing and teaching music.

Involvement: Hails from the West Island of Montreal. Says he had never been involved in activism or interested in politics until entering CEGEP and becoming friends with students who – unlike himself – struggled financially and became active in the anti-tuition protests.

What he wants: Tuition hike doesn't personally affect him as his parents pay for his education, but says he's protesting to support his fellow students. Believes the protests have taken on a broader, social scope against the ''the capitalist system in place right now.''

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Hardial Rosner

Third-year Spanish major at Concordia University

Age: 22

Career aspirations: Originally wanted to go into politics, but says she now wants to practise human-rights law.

Involvement: A self-described communist who joined the student protests while attending Dawson College. Says her parents – who were involved in the Marxist-Leninist Party in the 1980s in Winnipeg – influenced her values and sense of social activism.

What she wants: Tuition freeze; ideally, tuition ''should be free across the planet,'' but freezing current fees is a small step of what she sees as a larger goal. Says it also isn't just about the money, but about standing up to a government she believes has taken too many liberties against people.

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Elizabeth Foley

Third-year education student at Universite de Montreal

Age: 25

Career aspirations: Has tentative plans to become a high-school teacher by the fall of 2013.

Involvement: As a student and future teacher, says she is passionate about making education accessible. When the tuition hike was announced in 2011, she worried it would prevent certain people from going to school and began attending her university's information sessions.

What she wants: Tuition freeze. Also believes the protests have become part of a larger, societal issue. Is calling on the government to stop placing capital interests ''above the interests of the people.''

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Ethan Feldman

Fourth-year philosophy major at McGill University

Age: 23

Career aspirations: Uncertain about his plans, but is looking to pursue further graduate studies in philosophy and teaching.

Involvement: First covered the student hikes while writing for the McGill Daily newspaper. As the paper's resident rabble-rouser, became more actively involved as the protest movement grew.

What he wants: Says the protests over tuition hikes are part of what has become a bigger movement that is exposing broader social injustices in the province. Says re-freezing tuition would be a great first step, but wants the government to recognize and re-evaluate its ''capitalist policies.''

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Rosalie Dion-Picard

Master's student in French literature at Universite de Montreal

Age: 24

Career aspirations: Wants to pursue her PhD in French literature or be a CEGEP teacher.

Involvement: Has had a role in student activism since joining her junior-college student union and participating in the 2005 Quebec strike against budget cuts to the loans and bursaries program. Sought to be part of the student mobilization when the hike was announced last year.

What she wants: Tuition fees to stay as they are. She would at least like to see a lowering of the hike or an extension of the five-year phase-in period. Has bigger goals — says the protests have raised social consciousness and Quebec needs to ''have a vision'' about the kind of province it wants to be.
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