Trayvon Martin

[NeoLuddite]

I've recently read/watched many comments on this young man's recent untimely death in Florida.
Somewhat concerned by the lack of topical commentary here on FD
Tend to agree that the shooter exceeded reasonable moral/ethical boundaries.
Yes, the guy may have been spooked (oops! Bad choice of words!) but there's no compelling evidence that he or his family were in any imminent danger. Further, the guy did have a few past brushes with the law.

Sadly, Obama is now in the media mix - stirring up the race issue, and quite deliberately so. (His mentor Saul Alinsky must be proud)

In any case a double standard seems to be at work here.

[Ogopogo]

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0312/lowry032312.php3

Sharpton is right

By Rich Lowry

http://www.JewishWorldReview.com | What is true of the stopped clock is also true of the perpetually aggrieved, shamelessly exploitative publicity hound: Through sheer chance, he occasionally will be right.

The Trayvon Martin case appears to be one of those instances for Al Sharpton. The longtime provocateur and MSNBC host has a leading role in the protests over the lethal shooting of the 17-year-old Martin at the hands of a zealous Neighborhood Watch volunteer in the Florida community of Sanford.

During halftime of the NBA All-Star Game, Martin left the home of his father's girlfriend to walk to the local 7-Eleven for Skittles and iced tea. It was about 7 p.m., and he caught the attention of 28-year-old George Zimmerman, who had taken it upon himself to patrol the neighborhood armed with a gun. He considered Martin suspicious and called 911, which dispatched police. Ignoring the 911 operator's urging not to pursue Martin, Zimmerman followed the young man, got into an altercation with him and shot him dead.

Zimmerman claims Martin attacked him from behind, and he fired in self-defense. But while he was on the line with 911, Zimmerman was the one chasing Martin. At the same time, Martin talked on his cellphone to his girlfriend, complaining of a man watching him. She told him to run away, which he apparently did during the interval Zimmerman was on with 911. The girlfriend claims she heard Martin say, "What are you following me for?" before the call went dead.

The tape of another 911 call from a neighbor has yells of "help" in the background before the gunshot. We may never know what exactly happened in the altercation. We do know this: Through stupendous errors in judgment, Zimmerman brought about an utterly unnecessary confrontation and then -- in the most favorable interpretation of the facts for him -- shot Martin when he began to lose a fistfight to him.

Florida has a "Stand Your Ground" law that stipulates that someone doesn't have to retreat and can use deadly force if facing a threat of death or bodily harm. It is one of the reasons that the police didn't press charges against Zimmerman. But the law is not meant to be a warrant for aggressive vigilantism. It was Martin, chased by a stranger who wasn't an officer of the law, who had more reason to feel threatened and "stand his ground" than Zimmerman.

So, Sharpton and his usual complement of allies are right about this: The Sanford police appear to have made the wrong call in letting Zimmerman off. Of course, the usual suspects can't leave it at that. In their telling, the case is a wholesale indictment of American society.

One MSNBC anchor compared the case to the notorious lynching of Emmett Till in 1950s Mississippi. On a visit from Chicago, the 14-year-old Till talked to a white woman and was subsequently murdered, mutilated and thrown in a river. His murderers got off. The Till case exposed a system built on injustice and hatred. The Orlando suburbs in the 2010s aren't remotely comparable, and George Zimmerman manifestly did not set out that night to kill Trayvon Martin, or he wouldn't have bothered to call the police.

News accounts tend to leave out that Zimmerman is a mixed-race Hispanic. That doesn't mean he can't be a racist. (Although it's murky, it sounds as if he mutters a racial epithet on the 911 call.) But a Hispanic-on-black killing lacks the narrative clarity of a white vigilante chasing down Trayvon Martin in the tradition of the worst practices of the Jim Crow South.

The attention devoted to the case has forced the chief of police of Sanford to step aside temporarily, and it's hard to see the grand jury that is now looking into the shooting not handing down charges against Zimmerman. If so, he shouldn't be effectively tried during street protests or on cable TV. There's already been enough vigilantism in Sanford, Fla.

[ccurrie]

Hard to believe I'm agreeing with Geraldo.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/you-can ... -shooting/

[Peter O'Donnell]

I think when there are large social problems in society, small-scale anomalies are easy to find. Here's what I mean.

It would surprise nobody with half a brain to consider that American "whites" (nowadays a rather amorphous term) have a justified fear of black youth crime. Thus they tend to look upon black teens with some suspicion and apprehension, especially if black youth appear in certain contexts. Life experience will help most people deduce fairly rapidly what is really happening in encounter situations. Two black kids in a mall acting a bit rambunctious might not merit much extra attention. One black youth walking through a white neighbourhood at night might merit unprovoked attention (in other words, just his presence is the anomaly, not his behaviour).

Now even if we assume that almost all encounters will end with a rational solution that conforms to the actual situation, if we have millions of such encounters spread over the entire population, a Zimmerman style over-reaction (if this is the case) is almost a certainty over a period of time. There are bound to be some people armed with guns who are more trigger-happy than is ideal. There are bound to be some cases of mistaken intentions or some cases where external circumstances intrude (past events of the day, alcohol, you name it).

One could only get a balanced view of this one case if one considered all other cases including all the times black teens robbed or beat up white people and there were various reactions including no reactions (other than perhaps going to the hospital or the morgue afterwards).

Some of those kids might look like Obama's son as well.

But I don't draw too many big-time conclusions from this one event at all. Racism is in part the exercise of smearing all people of a given race with the characteristics of some members. It becomes inevitable when the frequency rises to a certain thresh-hold value. This is why Muslims are being culturally profiled as terrorists, not because we are racist, but because the odds change in their cases. We don't have the same background suspicion about Hindus or other visible minority groups (minorities here, not in India) with regard to terrorism because the odds don't change in our estimation.

Stereotypes are not overcome in one day because somebody gave a speech. They don't change because somebody passed a law. They change slowly over time when objective evidence for the stereotypes begins to change visibly. For example, in British Columbia, Chinese Canadians used to be viewed as poor people. Nowadays, I would venture to suggest, they are viewed as wealthy. This is not due to racism but due to common observational skills. If black teenagers (and black people in general) want to be perceived as non-violent and unthreatening, then ... well you can finish that sentence without my help (and I can stay out of the HRT kangaroo court that seeks to discourage us from using our common sense).

[wireq2001]

OKAY

Lemme get this straight...

17 year old Black kid is in a "Gated Community" where he obviously doesn't belong at 2 A.M.
(WTF is a 17 year old Black kid doing out at that time of night other than CASING out the joint where at least 8 other crimes have been recently committed? )

Challenged by a legitimate Hispanic "Neighbour Watch" representative.

Flees....

Then ambushes the Hispanic Neighborhood Watch guy

NUTS him from behind.

Splits the back of his bean.

And then sets upon him pummeling him repeatedly in the face...all the while the Neighborhood Watch Hispanic guy is on the phone to 911.

Finally....the the Watch guy has had enough...

In fear of his life from the DERANGED Psychotic 17 year old trespasser, he pulls out "Old Glory"...and the PERP dies of LEAD poisoning.

Am I missing something?

[wireq2001]

ORLANDO - A witness we haven't heard from before paints a much different picture than we've seen so far of what happened the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.

The night of that shooting, police say there was a witness who saw it all.

Our sister station, FOX 35 in Orlando, has spoken to that witness.

What Sanford Police investigators have in the folder, they put together on the killing of Trayvon Martin few know about.

The file now sits in the hands of the state attorney. Now that file is just weeks away from being opened to a grand jury.

It shows more now about why police believed that night that George Zimmerman shouldn't have gone to jail.

Zimmerman called 911 and told dispatchers he was following a teen. The dispatcher told Zimmerman not to.

And from that moment to the shooting, details are few.

But one man's testimony could be key for the police.

"The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said.

Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.

The witness only wanted to be identified as "John," and didn't not want to be shown on camera.

His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman's claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.

"When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point," John said.

Zimmerman says the shooting was self defense. According to information released on the Sanford city website, Zimmerman said he was going back to his SUV when he was attacked by the teen.

Sanford police say Zimmerman was bloody in his face and head, and the back of his shirt was wet and had grass stains, indicating a struggle took place before the shooting

[Edward Kennedy]

It is not hard with the recent unprovoked attacks by black bigots against other races across the USA to understood what happened. The shooting is an understandable consequence of the fear blacks have imposed on other races by their racism, hatred, and criminality imposed openly on other races.

[smallLliberal]

OKAY

Lemme get this straight...

17 year old Black kid is in a "Gated Community" where he obviously doesn't belong at 2 A.M.
(WTF is a 17 year old Black kid doing out at that time of night other than CASING out the joint where at least 8 other crimes have been recently committed? )

Challenged by a legitimate Hispanic "Neighbour Watch" representative.

Flees....

Then ambushes the Hispanic Neighborhood Watch guy

NUTS him from behind.

Splits the back of his bean.

And then sets upon him pummeling him repeatedly in the face...all the while the Neighborhood Watch Hispanic guy is on the phone to 911.

Finally....the the Watch guy has had enough...

In fear of his life from the DERANGED Psychotic 17 year old trespasser, he pulls out "Old Glory"...and the PERP dies of LEAD poisoning.

Am I missing something?

I am not sure if you are missing something .. or making something up.

all the while the Neighborhood Watch Hispanic guy is on the phone to 911.

The 911 operator told this jerk to stop following the kid ... why did he not obey the operator?

Where the hell did you get all these questionable "facts" from?

[smallLliberal]

Despite being told by the dispatchers not to engage the teen, Zimmerman left his car and approached Martin. Neighbors called into 911 to report a scuffle, some cries for help, and gunshots.

This jerk was in no danger ... he instigated the whole thing. He could have stayed in his car til the cops got there. Screw that guy.

and Jeb Bush is absolutely correct on this:

ARLINGTON — Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said Friday that the “stand your ground” self-defense law he signed while in office should not apply to the case of a teenager who was killed by a neighborhood watch volunteer in his home state.
“This law does not apply to this particular circumstance,” Bush said after an education panel discussion at the University of Texas at Arlington. “Stand your ground means stand your ground. It doesn’t mean chase after somebody who’s turned their back.”

[tango37]

It's truly disgusting to see the asswipes at CNN giving this wall to wall coverage as if there weren't thousands of way more important issues. Of course the despicable race pimps, Sharpton and Jackson, are doing all they can to milk this. Jackson is saying that blacks are under attack and is predicting a long,hot summer. The truth is that its completely the reverse. Blacks are 39 times more likely,per capita, to commit a violent crime against whites than vice-versa. Expect to see an increase in the number of flash mob attacks by juvenile miscreants on innocent citizens. As for the actual case, everything will come out in the wash. The pressure now is such that a charge of murder against "hispanic white" Zimmerman is all but inevitable.
Remember the Duke Lacrosse fiasco where media pressure turned it into a three ring circus and the accused were in fact found innocent after all the facts came out. And the dufus in the White House couldn't help but to inject himself into this by saying that he wished that he had a son that looked like Trayvon. Ok well, the photo of Trayvon being shown by the media is not what he looked like in 2012.

[Edward Kennedy]

OKAY

Lemme get this straight...

17 year old Black kid is in a "Gated Community" where he obviously doesn't belong at 2 A.M.
(WTF is a 17 year old Black kid doing out at that time of night other than CASING out the joint where at least 8 other crimes have been recently committed? )

Challenged by a legitimate Hispanic "Neighbour Watch" representative.

Flees....

Then ambushes the Hispanic Neighborhood Watch guy

NUTS him from behind.

Splits the back of his bean.

And then sets upon him pummeling him repeatedly in the face...all the while the Neighborhood Watch Hispanic guy is on the phone to 911.

Finally....the the Watch guy has had enough...

In fear of his life from the DERANGED Psychotic 17 year old trespasser, he pulls out "Old Glory"...and the PERP dies of LEAD poisoning.

Am I missing something?

I am not sure if you are missing something .. or making something up.

all the while the Neighborhood Watch Hispanic guy is on the phone to 911.

The 911 operator told this jerk to stop following the kid ... why did he not obey the operator?

Where the hell did you get all these questionable "facts" from?

Only person around here who not only lies and makes things up but also misses everything is YOU.

[Edward Kennedy]

Scroll down to the one comment to this article and I find that is the ONLY viable response to these cowardly animals. Kill em. You are entitled to in self defense. Violence should always be the last resort but when nothing else works, violence is the tool that should be used.
As for the resident lieberal, take a midnight stroll in the jane/Finch corrider and then come back here with your bigotted lies and tell me your experiences. Take your girlfriend along for the ride.
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BLACKS ATTACKING WHITES are CALLED “FLASH MOBS”. WHITES ATTACKING BLACKS are CALLED “HATE CRIMES”.
June 4, 2011
By CMAC

AMERICAN THINKER

By John T. Bennett

If we’re going to have a conversation about race, we should include violent black mobs in the list of conversation topics. After all, recent mob violence is the closest our nation has come to widespread racial strife in over 50 years.

If mobs of white youths were going about chanting the phrase “white boys,” beating mostly on blacks and attacking black-owned businesses, then the nation would pay attention. Academic, media, political, and legal elites would be calling for symposia, expanded reporting, legislation, and lawsuits.

In fact, a mob of black youths in Philadelphia went about chanting the phrase “black boys,” beating mostly on whites, and attacking businesses. The same kind of racial mob violence has occurred in Las Vegas, and just last week in New York City. Few are paying attention, and liberal elites are largely silent.

Of course, liberal elites are quick to associate white violence with right-wing politics or white supremacy. But what happens when mob violence is carried out by favored minority groups or liberal constituents?

Time and again over the last few years, mobs of black youths attacked mostly white victims in Philadelphia. There were at least 6 such mob scenes in Philadelphia during 2009 and 2010.[1] These black mob attacks, euphemistically named “flash mobs,” have not received anything close to the attention they deserve. In one attack, a mob of blacks beat a young white woman senseless — a mob that had chanted “black boys” and “burn the city,” according to the New York Times.[2] The 27-year-old woman, Anna Taylor, was attacked viciously last March. According to local news reports, “a large group of male and female juveniles ganged up on her, kicking and punching her until she fell to the ground, where they continued to kick her in the face and head.”[3] Someone in the mob punched her so hard, the punch “split her upper lip so severely that much of it was hanging from her face and she was unable to speak.” Some reporting has, amazingly, made the simple observation about the racial make-up of these mobs: that they are “mostly African American.”


These horrible mob attacks must be viewed in the larger context of interracial violence in America. Department of Justice statistics show that 33% of white murder victims are killed by a non-white while only 8% of black murder victims are killed by a non-black.[4] Even greater disparities exist in violent crime and robbery.[5] The disparity in interracial crime is certainly indicative of some form of extremism, racial hostility, or selective targeting. The mobs reflect something worse: organized and widespread anti-white ethnic violence.

Mobs of black youths have taken to randomly attacking pedestrians and businesses. This problem is nightmarish in its implications: a subset of the population has no self-control, was not raised to control violent impulses, and evidently gets pleasure out of hurting other people — particularly people of other races. This type of person usually has done nothing to create anything of value, but rather destroys for pleasure. They organize using social media, and their goal is mayhem. They have been coddled and socialized by the welfare state and public education system. With an aggressive sense of entitlement, and no regard for others, they will predictably become more violent. The mobs reflect an undesirable character type, and the vast majority of those in “flash mobs” are of the same race.

Now, the cultural enrichment of “flash mobs” is spreading to New York City. In Greenwich Village last week, security video captured “a group of youths climbing on counters, throwing chairs and throwing tables in a violent attack on workers” at a Dunkin’ Donuts. This was the second such attack on Greenwich Village businesses in a week. Watching the video, one is struck by the extraordinarily callous behavior of the teens, who were all black — a fact not mentioned in any of the reporting about that attack. Unlike the case with many acts of violence, certain youths are evidently becoming more and more comfortable with public, organized group violence. When we see behavior this terrible, political elites often ask about root causes: What kind of environment did the attackers come from? What kind of politics or ideology did they have?

Examples are numerous: Before having any facts, liberal elites like Paul Krugman blamed the Arizona shootings on “toxic rhetoric” and the “climate of hate” created by Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and conservatives. When lone extremists commit violence against abortion doctors, organizations like NOW blame the “pro-life” movement. When there is some fanciful, theoretical possibility that returning veterans could be recruited by extremist organizations, the Department of Homeland Security takes note. In 2009, the DHS released a report claiming that “the return of military veterans” could expand the pool of extremists.[6] DHS was so eager to make connections between politics and violence they concluded that “white supremacist lone wolves pose the most significant domestic terrorist threat.”[7] If this is the way liberal elites make connections between politics and violence, then shouldn’t they respond to black “flash mobs” in a similar manner?

Yet, the racial aspect of the “flash mob” phenomenon is not seriously covered in the mainstream media. This is proof of systematic racial bias in reporting, and a failure of leadership across the board in our society. The mainstream media is in effect using a filtering process that downplays violence by blacks against whites. The result is that a significant social problem is not being addressed.

The media filtering process undermines society’s interest in safety. When the majority ethnic group is being attacked in potentially catastrophic racial group violence, the press has a duty to report the underlying facts. Flash mobs are the closest our nation has come to widespread racial strife in over 50 years. Flash mobs, if unaddressed, will evolve into further racist attacks against whites. By failing to report acts of ethnic violence, by any race, the press fails part of its role in our democracy. Moreover, if our legal, political, and academic leadership had more intellectual and moral integrity, the “flash mob” would be taken as seriously as “hate speech,” racial profiling, and other non-violent offenses against minority feelings.

Notes

[1] Kitty Caparella and Stephanie Farr, Another Flash Mob Rocks South Street; In the ‘Tsunami,’ Chants of ‘Burn the City!’, Philadelphia Daily News, Mar 22, 2010. 8.

[2] That reporting is corroborated. See Kitty Caparella and Stephanie Farr, Another Flash Mob Rocks South Street; In the ‘Tsunami,’ Chants of ‘Burn the City!’, Philadelphia Daily News, Mar 22, 2010. 8.

[3] Ibid., 8.

[4] Violent State Prisoners and Their Victims, Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics 5, July 1990 quoted in James B. Jacobs and Kimberly Potter, Hate Crimes: Criminal Law and Identity Politics 17 (1998).

[5] Ibid., 17.

[6] Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment. Office of Intelligence and Analysis Assessment. U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security. Apr. 7, 2009. 2.

[7]Ibid., 7.



One Response to “ BLACKS ATTACKING WHITES are CALLED “FLASH MOBS”. WHITES ATTACKING BLACKS are CALLED “HATE CRIMES”. ”
GENE WILLIS on August 25, 2011 at 7:20 pm
if you are armed,i sujest taking deadly action until these animals are exterminated.police are usless,and the political aholes are as dead as corpses.if you are aPROCHED BY MORE THEN ONE BLACK PERSON,PULL YOU’R WEAPON AND DO NOT HIESITATE TO SHOOT TO KILL!YOU’R SURVIVAL DEPENDS ON IT.

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[smallLliberal]

why are you mixing up issues

Can we not just stick to this story instead of dragging up all the other stuff.

The fact is .. this guy was safely in his car with his loaded firearm and the police were on the way. He had no business confronting another citizen.

[smallLliberal]

take a midnight stroll in the jane/Finch corrider

I have ... lived to tell about it. Lots of York students nearby, which is why I used to frequent the area.

Here is a clue about Toronto ... you find trouble if you go looking for it. If you mind your own business it is a very safe city.

[mindyrbusiness]

The fact is a young teen has been shot dead in what seems to be a neighborhood watch gone awry.
Victim is black the shooter is white and Hispanic. The Florida police have to investigate this with absolute political correctness and likely used this Jeb Bush Florida Law as an escape clause. "Cause pimps" such as Al Sharpton,Jesse Jackson & corrupted mass media are prostituting this tragedy for their own gains while inflaming racial tensions.