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Re: Ron Paul

Postby Julian » 02/ 07/ 12 12:02 pm

In spite of his myriad of flaws, at this point in time Ron Paul is by far America's best hope for salvation.

So, what can be done about it? Nothing? That's what I thought. America isn't a Republic any more and hasn't been for far longer than most people care to admit to. The USA is a defacto fascist nation. America has become the bad guy, how the hell did that happen? (I'll wager many people here have some damned good ideas about that)
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Re: Ron Paul

Postby free_life2 » 02/ 07/ 12 4:22 pm

Romney's lead dips despite wins: Reuters/Ipsos poll

Ron Paul is in second place nationally in this poll.

Despite his strong showing in early voting contests in the race for the Republican presidential nomination, Mitt Romney's support among Republicans nationwide has dipped slightly during the past month, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Tuesday.

Romney was backed by 29 percent of Republican voters in the telephone poll conducted February 2-6, down from 30 percent in a survey in early January. The former Massachusetts governor's three rivals in the race to oppose President Barack Obama in November were in a close race for second, the poll showed.

Texas Congressman Ron Paul's support grew by 5 percentage points to 21 percent, moving him into second place and ahead of former House of Representatives speaker Newt Gingrich, whose support slipped to 19 percent from 20 percent.

Former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum also rose by 5 points to reach 18 percent, just behind Gingrich, according to the poll.

The results suggest that Romney -- despite his vast advantages in organization, fundraising and momentum after victories in New Hampshire, Florida and Nevada - still has many doubters among Republicans nationwide.

The Reuters/Ipsos poll also showed Obama's approval rating ticking upward during the past month, a period in which favorable reports on the economy seem to have given his re-election effort some momentum.

Obama's approval rating in the new poll is 48 percent, up from 47 percent in January. His disapproval rating is higher, however: 49 percent, unchanged from last month.

The telephone poll of 1,033 adults included 881 registered voters, of whom 503 were Democrats, 405 Republicans and 125 independents.

The margin of error was plus or minus 3.1 percentage points for all respondents, 3.3 points for registered voters, 4.4 points for Democrats, 4.9 points for Republicans and 9.6 percent for independents.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/ ... 4720120207
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Re: Ron Paul

Postby Red Green » 02/ 07/ 12 4:47 pm

Dr. Paul needs to win a state to capitalize on this. I'm not sure which state he really has a chance in though.
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Re: Ron Paul

Postby Red Green » 02/ 07/ 12 5:55 pm

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So yeah, go ahead and think the guy who thumps a bible and collects a govt cheque is the real deal but I'll put my money on a man who has walked the walk, refused govt money when it was left on the table for him to take and supports real liberty rather than some phoney megalomaniac who wants a fascists theocratic state.


Which is why I supported Cain? If I wanted more government - why on earth was I backing the one outsider who wanted to upend the system?

As for Ron Paul - last I checked he was on a congressional pension. Cain was not.


If I am not mistaken, Dr. Paul has refused to take the pension that is offered to him, which would be considerable given his length of service in the HoR. Do you think douchebag Santorum would do that? I bet he's collecting from his time in the Senate.
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Re: Ron Paul

Postby Hubert Mitchell » 02/ 07/ 12 7:07 pm

DA_Champion wrote:Rick Santorum claims to value life between conception and birth.

Unfortunately, he doesn't value most other human life. His priority as president would be to start as many wars as possible.

He also lacks any coherent economic policy, which is statistically equivalent to supporting mass death at home. A poor economy leads to fewer childbirths, lower life expectancy, more suicides, et cetera.


Yes and some of the things he has said would have to be withdrawn as pres, due to the other world players not likely to go along with his tough talk to get elected.
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Re: Ron Paul

Postby free_life2 » 02/ 07/ 12 7:31 pm

Red Green wrote:
Ben Kenobi wrote:
So yeah, go ahead and think the guy who thumps a bible and collects a govt cheque is the real deal but I'll put my money on a man who has walked the walk, refused govt money when it was left on the table for him to take and supports real liberty rather than some phoney megalomaniac who wants a fascists theocratic state.


Which is why I supported Cain? If I wanted more government - why on earth was I backing the one outsider who wanted to upend the system?

As for Ron Paul - last I checked he was on a congressional pension. Cain was not.


If I am not mistaken, Dr. Paul has refused to take the pension that is offered to him, which would be considerable given his length of service in the HoR. Do you think douchebag Santorum would do that? I bet he's collecting from his time in the Senate.


Ron Paul is the only one I believe who has refused the pension.

Wonder if Cain is getting a Federal Reserve pension? :-s
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Re: Ron Paul

Postby free_life2 » 02/ 09/ 12 9:16 pm

This is why Ron Paul will WIN!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_Iji3xF ... r_embedded

How many delegates do they actually have, watch the whole video and hear what most don't even know. :D

Ron Paul Secretly Won the Caucuses

They all laughed at Ron Paul. They all laughed when he took a stage in Minnesota, having come in a solid second place, and reminded the faithful of a "little thing called delegates!"

They were serious about it. Paul's people believe that they understand the delegate process, and that the media does not. There is truth here: The delegate process is confusing, and I assume that Paul supporters have used their four years of organizing and studying in a fruitful manner. In an e-mail to supporters, they try to get granular about what's occuring.

We are confident in gaining a much larger share of delegates than even our impressive showing yesterday indicates. As an example of our campaign’s delegate strength, take a look at what has occurred in Colorado:

- In one precinct in Larimer County, the straw poll vote was 23 for Santorum, 13 for Paul, 5 for Romney, 2 for Gingrich. There were 13 delegate slots, and Ron Paul got ALL 13.

- In a precinct in Delta County the vote was 22 for Santorum, 12 for Romney, 8 for Paul, 7 for Gingrich. There were 5 delegate slots, and ALL 5 went to Ron Paul.

- In a Pueblo County precinct, the vote was 16 for Santorum, 11 for Romney, 3 for Gingrich and 2 for Paul. There were 2 delegate slots filled, and both were filled by Ron Paul supporters.

- We are also seeing the same trends in Minnesota, Nevada, and Iowa, and in Missouri as well.

For this to stick, Paul's activists have to show up at the next votes -- small affairs, not much media, happening in March -- and control the delegate process. Then they have to show up at conventions and repeat it. This is actually doable.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/ ... me_oneline
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Re: Ron Paul

Postby free_life2 » 02/ 09/ 12 9:22 pm

Israel against Ron Paul Ad The most hated video on You Tube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmm3i81v ... r_embedded

over 4600 people dislike what Gary Bauer the knob has to say in this video
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Re: Ron Paul

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Re: Ron Paul

Postby Red Green » 02/ 09/ 12 10:32 pm

free_life2 wrote:Israel against Ron Paul Ad The most hated video on You Tube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmm3i81v ... r_embedded

over 4600 people dislike what Gary Bauer the knob has to say in this video


Gee, foreign Jews launching an ad campaign against Ron Paul. Why am I not surprised :roll: :roll:

And Gary Bauer always was a douchebag.
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Re: Ron Paul

Postby Red Green » 02/ 09/ 12 11:26 pm

free_life2 wrote:This is why Ron Paul will WIN!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_Iji3xF ... r_embedded

How many delegates do they actually have, watch the whole video and hear what most don't even know. :D

Ron Paul Secretly Won the Caucuses

They all laughed at Ron Paul. They all laughed when he took a stage in Minnesota, having come in a solid second place, and reminded the faithful of a "little thing called delegates!"

They were serious about it. Paul's people believe that they understand the delegate process, and that the media does not. There is truth here: The delegate process is confusing, and I assume that Paul supporters have used their four years of organizing and studying in a fruitful manner. In an e-mail to supporters, they try to get granular about what's occuring.

We are confident in gaining a much larger share of delegates than even our impressive showing yesterday indicates. As an example of our campaign’s delegate strength, take a look at what has occurred in Colorado:

- In one precinct in Larimer County, the straw poll vote was 23 for Santorum, 13 for Paul, 5 for Romney, 2 for Gingrich. There were 13 delegate slots, and Ron Paul got ALL 13.

- In a precinct in Delta County the vote was 22 for Santorum, 12 for Romney, 8 for Paul, 7 for Gingrich. There were 5 delegate slots, and ALL 5 went to Ron Paul.

- In a Pueblo County precinct, the vote was 16 for Santorum, 11 for Romney, 3 for Gingrich and 2 for Paul. There were 2 delegate slots filled, and both were filled by Ron Paul supporters.

- We are also seeing the same trends in Minnesota, Nevada, and Iowa, and in Missouri as well.

For this to stick, Paul's activists have to show up at the next votes -- small affairs, not much media, happening in March -- and control the delegate process. Then they have to show up at conventions and repeat it. This is actually doable.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/ ... me_oneline


I've been reading more on this. Good find FL2, even I didn't know the strategic advantage the Paul campaign had secured.
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Re: Ron Paul

Postby free_life2 » 02/ 10/ 12 1:39 am

Maybe he and his people will outsmart all these others with their dirty tricks and their media stooges. It may be the best thing going they don't think he can win.
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Re: Ron Paul

Postby Red Green » 02/ 10/ 12 10:02 am

free_life2 wrote:Maybe he and his people will outsmart all these others with their dirty tricks and their media stooges. It may be the best thing going they don't think he can win.


Back in 2008 there was a big push at the meetings I went to for RP people to become Precinct Committeemen. The thought was that it was not enough to win the primaries but make sure the delegates are RP faithful because you can't trust the delegates unless you own them.
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Re: Ron Paul

Postby free_life2 » 02/ 10/ 12 3:19 pm

There is all this speculation that it will be a brokered convention. That can only come about as I understand it if no candidate has a majority after the first round of votes. But I also read about a Superdelegate brokered convention that left me unclear as to if that is even possible with the GOP. The the party powerful will do all they can to keep Ron Paul from winning and this could be a nasty affair.
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Re: Ron Paul

Postby free_life2 » 02/ 10/ 12 4:39 pm

GOP Strategist: Ron Paul Will Be on GOP Ticket

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StQr-dlx ... e=youtu.be

If Romney asks Paul to run as his VP, do you think Ron Paul would accept?
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