Ron Paul

[Red Green]

Hey Crunchy Con:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/04/r ... -abortion/

Apparently Ron Paul ain't so pro life after all. Good to see phoneys getting exposed.

You are entering douchebag territory here with your support for Santorum, who I feel is the ultimate douchebag in the race. Suck on the govt teat and then run as a "conservative" who supports more govt and attack the only individual with a rock-solid history of not taking govt money and walking the walk as a true social conservative.

Nice. Hope you're proud.

[Red Green]

Hey Crunchy Con:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/04/r ... -abortion/

Apparently Ron Paul ain't so pro life after all. Good to see phoneys getting exposed.

Not sure what you see as phony .... he says it is a tough one on whether a woman immediately after rape should have the right to get a shot of estrogen which would prevent her from becoming pregnant. A lot of pro life people would agree with him and then there are a lot who would not. It is like the differing beliefs between Catholics and other Christians and pro life people on whether contraception like condoms is wrong or not. Ron Paul is not Catholic. He is running for the nomination to run for President, not Pope of the RCC.

Do you want it to be a crime for a woman to abort who has been raped?

What would you have her charged with and how should she be punished, in your opinion?

+1 on that.

[Charles J. White]

Santorum people are creepy, Santorum actually said that a woman should accept being raped as a gift from god because of what it can produce. I hope in my heart of hearts that Santorum one day is in prison and when he is having a penis inserted in his @ss someone can lovingly whisper in his ear 'accept this gift from god, accept it'...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaPKt3c8S-w

[Red Green]

Santorum people are creepy, Santorum actually said that a woman should accept being raped as a gift from god because of what it can produce. I hope in my heart of hearts that Santorum one day is in prison and when he is having a penis inserted in his @ss someone can lovingly whisper in his ear 'accept this gift from god, accept it'...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaPKt3c8S-w

Santorum is the only one who managed to get me cursing at the TV. Total douchebag. That f'er would have me chair or the AZ campaign to elect Obama if he were the nominee for the GOP.

[free_life2]

We, the founders of Veterans for Ron Paul 2012, Natha...n Cox and Adam Kokesh, invite you to join us for a veterans and active duty march for Ron Paul on President's Day, Monday, February 20th. We hope to send the message from now until "Super Tuesday," March 6th, that RON PAUL IS THE CHOICE OF THE TROOPS! We have applied for a proper permit from the Parks Department and DC MPD.

At noon, we will gather at the Washington monument and have a chance for people who have won speaking slots* to speak. at 1400 hours, (2pm) we will form up on 15th St NW facing North towards Constitution Ave NW. Each squad leader will go down their squad to verify proof of service***** for every veteran and active duty person in their squad. Marchers are encouraged to wear something symbolic of their support for Ron Paul, and their service. We will step off towards the White House, turn left on Pennsylvania Ave, and come to a halt at 1600. We will do an about face, and present a hand salute to a folded American flag for as many seconds as troops have died since President Obama took office, then march silently back to the Washington monument and fall out. We are currently working on arrangements and special guests for a reception that evening.

We first thought that if we only had a platoon-sized element, we could pull this off and send a powerful message. It seems now, that we will at least have hundreds marching with us. Can you imagine if we had 1,000 in formation? How many will join us in demanding that Ron Paul be recognized as the choice of the troops?

ATTIRE: Anyone who intends to march in the formation should be of a generally neat and orderly appearance. Think military-approved civilian attire. The organizers of this event reserve the right to ask anyone to modify their appearance, or step out of the formation if their attire is deemed to not be in the spirit of the event. Of course wearing of uniform items is encouraged, so long as it is done in a way that respects the general dignity of the uniform. Tattered uniform items, items with excessive patches unrelated to military service or the event, and clothing articles bearing messages unrelated to the event, may all be grounds for asking someone to step out of the formation or modify their appearance.

ACTIVE DUTY: Active duty troops are invited to participate in full recognition of the regulations regarding political speech. WE ARE NOT encouraging active duty personnel to come in uniform. Each individual needs to use his/ her discretion and weigh the risk of attending this event wearing whatever it is that you decide to wear. Do what your OWN conscious tells you. It is an absurd proposition to say that members of the military supporting candidates in uniform would be construed to represent official positions of the government and rules regarding free speech for members of the military have only been used to silence dissent and keep the true will of the troops from being relevant in the American political discourse. Well, NOT ANY MORE!

NON-MILITARY: Family members are invited to march behind the formation, and members of KIA families are invited to place their hands on the folded flag during the salute. Supporters are encouraged to line the route of the march and be present for the ceremony at the White House. If you are a KIA family member and would like to be involved in the ceremony, please email vfrp2012@gmail.com

WEBSITE: If someone would like to create a proper website, we have parked the domain: ronpaulisthechoiceofthetroops.com

TRANSPORTATION & LODGING: For more information about transportation or lodging, please see the map:
http://g.co/maps/5h3ax
and contact Tom Cahalan and Jonathan Woodruff at:
vfrp.logistics@gmail.com

JESSE THORSEN: For those of you who don't know/ haven't heard about Jesse Thorsen Check out this video:
http://youtu.be/bs6-sQ3kuD8

ANNOUNCEMENT: To see Adam Kokesh's original announcement of the event at a bar in Manchester:
http://youtu.be/v0LxI7_v9vA
(thanks for getting this over 50K views in two weeks!!!)

*RALLY SPEAKERS: We decided to not invite anyone to speak, but rather to allow those who are most invested in this event to define the message behind the message. To win a speaking slot, you must win the poster contest,** the bit.ly link-back contest,*** or the YouTube video contest.**** Each speaking slot is 4 minutes long and the winner can designate someone to speak on their behalf. While we encourage everyone to enter the poster and video contests to compete for cash prizes, we request that only veterans and those with a direct connection to military service speak at the rally. Of course, as the organizers, we reserve the right to disqualify anyone from anything if we feel they are not contributing to the spirit and central message of this event. Speakers will be announced on February 17th.

**POSTER CONTEST: We need a powerful graphic for this event. If you're ready to step up, please email entries to vfrp2012@gmail.com. Be sure to include the date, time, full title and sub-title, (that's RON PAUL IS THE CHOICE OF THE TROOPS, subtitle: march on the White House.) Please include the original files so that it can be adapted to other graphics. The organizers of this event will determine the winners after consulting with the community in the next couple weeks (by February 7th or so) or as the printing schedule dictates. The winner will get a speaking slot at the rally and $100.

***BIT.LY LINK-BACK CONTEST: A contest for people that can't make videos! Just go to http://bitly.com/ and create a unique link for this event page. Then get people to click on it! (That's the hard part.) Send us the link (vfrp2012@gmail.com) to your link's "Info Page" by midnight on February 16th.

****YOUTUBE VIDEO CONTEST: This is where the money's at and how we're really going to make this idea really take off! Make a video promoting this event that includes: the times (rally at noon, march at 2) the location (Washington Monument to the White House) and the reason! The video must have the link to the Facebook event in the description and be emailed to vfrp2012@gmail.com to be entered in the contest. We'll do our best to promote all serious entries fairly. The winners will be determined by whichever videos have the most views as of Friday, February 17th. First place prize: $1000, second place prize: $500, five runner-up prizes: $100. The top 18 video-makers will also win a speaking slot at the rally!
See current entries here:
http://www.adamvstheman.com/veterans-ma ... st-entries

*****PROOF OF SERVICE: Proof of service will be required to march in the formation. We will accept DD-214 with matching ID, military ID, VA ID, or a photograph which clealy shows (proves) you at your respective duty station - (whether overseas or in the States) IN A CLEARLY ON-DUTY Situation.

[free_life2]

Final Results. They want us to believe that Ron Paul only gained 88 new supporters in Nevada since 2008? What a crock.

[Ben Kenobi]

You are entering douchebag territory here with your support for Santorum

What, you're gonna call to have me banned? Already been banned by Newt supporters who couldn't handle the truth. Apparently, Paul supporters are cut from the same cloth.

Suck on the govt teat and then run as a "conservative" who supports more govt and attack the only individual with a rock-solid history of not taking govt money and walking the walk as a true social conservative.

Ron Paul just admitted to doing abortions. Yeah, I have a problem with that. You don't - that's fine, but I do. Yes, I happen to believe that it is essential to get it right fiscally, but you can't get there when you are too busy paying for other people's abortions. Abortion funding is about the least fiscally wise policy ever. A third of my generation is gone - killed off. I'm a survivor of the largest holocaust in world history.

[Ben Kenobi]

Look I believe the bible teaches life begins before conception (read Jer 1:5 - don't know anyone who teaches this but myself though)

You're not the only one who believes and teaches this. I have to scurry off here in a bit.

I don't hear any one running for President advocating a law that would punish a woman who was raped for having an abortion.

Rape - is something that by definition a woman is not responsible. The one responsible for the abortion is the doctor who performs the abortion. Let's draw an analogy here - we don't charge the patient for undergoing medically unnecessary surgery. We charge the doctors. You address the demand side of this by giving women a way out that doesn't involve suction vacuum machines.

And if the woman isn't being charged the law has no teeth, no purpose.

The law on the books previous charged the doctors only. If enforced - it would have teeth aplenty. Go after the doctors - abortions went up 10x with legalization. You won't stop all of them - but you will stop most.

Bet dollars to donuts neither Santorum and Gringrich would answer the question differently about a woman immediately getting a shot estrogen after being raped, if you have some evidence of the opposite show us.

Santorum has already said that he believes that personhood begins at conception.

In June, you said, "I believe that any doctor who performs an abortion should be criminally charged for doing so." You would allow no exceptions for cases of rape and incest?
SANTORUM: You know, the US Supreme Court on a recent case said that a man who committed rape could not be killed, could not be subject to the death penalty, yet the child conceived as a result of that rape could be. That to me sounds like a country that doesn't have its morals correct. That child did nothing wrong. That child is an innocent victim. To be victimized twice would be a horrible thing. It is an innocent human life. It is genetically human from the moment of conception. And it is a human life. And we in America should be big enough to try to surround ourselves and help women in those terrible situations who've been traumatized already. To put them through another trauma of an abortion I think is too much to ask. And so I would absolutely stand and say that one violence is enough.

Q: The FDA has said that Plan B, the morning-after pill, can be sold over the counter. Are you in favor?
SANTORUM: No, I’m not. I agree that it is an abortifacient, and that it’s dangerous to give a dose of hormones equivalent to one third of a whole series of birth control pills to someone without any kind of doctor supervision.

CASEY: Yes, I’m in favor. I think what emergency contraception is contraception.

Q: But you do believe life begins at conception?

CASEY: I do.

Q: If this was fertilized, would you call it abortion?

CASEY: The science is clear on this. It is contraception, and I support it. I think we’ve got to make it widely available, and I think that’s one of the ways we reach common ground on the very tough issue of abortion: emergency contraception can reduce the number of abortions and unwanted pregnancies. That’s what we should emphasize.

SANTORUM: The science is clear. In fact, it is an abortifacient in certain circumstances.

Santorum's also an incrementalist - he has supported things like the Hyde Amendment etc which does have exceptions in order to move towards the ultimate goal of eliminating abortion outright.

[Ben Kenobi]

Caveat - I was a Cain supporter prior - I liked Cain's stances on getting rid of the tax codes. Santorum was always my number 2. I can agree with you that his record is not as good as Ron Paul's on the fiscal aspect of things - but he's the best social conservative left in the race. His fiscal record is better than Newt and Romney, IMHO.

[Red Green]

Final Results. They want us to believe that Ron Paul only gained 88 new supporters in Nevada since 2008? What a crock.

Nevada is mob territory just like Illinois. You can't take any election there seriously.

[Red Green]

You are entering douchebag territory here with your support for Santorum

What, you're gonna call to have me banned? Already been banned by Newt supporters who couldn't handle the truth. Apparently, Paul supporters are cut from the same cloth.

Where did I say that I want you banned? I am saying you're acting like a douchebag. I would prefer you keep posting douchebag posts because you provide really good material for discrediting the whole SoCon bible-thumper Christian Taliban thing.

Suck on the govt teat and then run as a "conservative" who supports more govt and attack the only individual with a rock-solid history of not taking govt money and walking the walk as a true social conservative.

Ron Paul just admitted to doing abortions. Yeah, I have a problem with that. You don't - that's fine, but I do. Yes, I happen to believe that it is essential to get it right fiscally, but you can't get there when you are too busy paying for other people's abortions. Abortion funding is about the least fiscally wise policy ever. A third of my generation is gone - killed off. I'm a survivor of the largest holocaust in world history.

OK where did Dr. Paul ever say he performed an abortion? I read once that he, as a intern, walked in on an abortion and was so upset by it that he swore he would never be involved in one again.

So yeah, go ahead and think the guy who thumps a bible and collects a govt cheque is the real deal but I'll put my money on a man who has walked the walk, refused govt money when it was left on the table for him to take and supports real liberty rather than some phoney megalomaniac who wants a fascists theocratic state.

[free_life2]

Kenobi knock it off with the falsehoods.... no one is calling for you to be banned and Ron Paul has never performed an abortion.

As for Santorum, I would like to have him asked the question if he would stop a woman who been raped from immediately being able to get an estrogen shot. He would either avoid answering or answer just like Ron Paul. That is what Ron Paul said and the rest is make believe bull you are adding.

[Ben Kenobi]

So yeah, go ahead and think the guy who thumps a bible and collects a govt cheque is the real deal but I'll put my money on a man who has walked the walk, refused govt money when it was left on the table for him to take and supports real liberty rather than some phoney megalomaniac who wants a fascists theocratic state.

Which is why I supported Cain? If I wanted more government - why on earth was I backing the one outsider who wanted to upend the system?

As for Ron Paul - last I checked he was on a congressional pension. Cain was not.

[Ben Kenobi]

As for Santorum, I would like to have him asked the question if he would stop a woman who been raped from immediately being able to get an estrogen shot. He would either avoid answering or answer just like Ron Paul. That is what Ron Paul said and the rest is make believe bull you are adding.

I quoted Ron Paul's and Santorum's respective answers. Santorum stated that the morning after pill is an abortifacient, whereas Ron Paul said he would administer it in certain circumstances.

You're welcome to speculate all you want - but the evidence is right here. Paul had a golden opportunity to affirm the principle that the unborn are persons from conception onwards. He did not.

[DA_Champion]

Rick Santorum claims to value life between conception and birth.

Unfortunately, he doesn't value most other human life. His priority as president would be to start as many wars as possible.

He also lacks any coherent economic policy, which is statistically equivalent to supporting mass death at home. A poor economy leads to fewer childbirths, lower life expectancy, more suicides, et cetera.