Ice-free Arctic -- 6000 years ago

[styky]

Ice-free Arctic -- 6000 years ago

By Dennis T. Avery
web posted November 21, 2011

Perhaps the silliest thing about the modern global warming debate is that we're trying to evaluate major climate changes in eye-blinks of time such as 10 or 30 years. The big Ice Age cycle lasts about 90,000 years, the last one ended about 12,000 years ago. El Ninos last a year of two and change nothing, climate-wise. The Weather Channel can (sort of) predict ten days out.

Yet the UN panel's claims of man-made warming are based on an "unprecedented warming" that was only 22 years long, 1976–1998. There's been no trace of a warming trend since. There was, however, an earlier "unprecedented warming" from 1915–1940 -- before the Industrial Revolution started seriously raising the C02 levels. ..................http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/ ... arctic.htm

[wallstone]

While the warmists wail and gnash their teeth over today's supposed warming Arctic ocean there is very little mention by way of rebuttal of the tiny 100 foot RCMP ship St Roch that traversed the NOrthwest Passage from west to east and then from east to west back in 1940 and 1942. For that to have happened the arctic was obviously warmer 70 years ago than it is today. Of course facts never matter to the warmists.

[smallLliberal]

That Avery is a real expert on the climate.
His Hudson Institute is funded by chemical and oil companies. He is a professional BS'er.

"Avery studied agricultural economics at Michigan State University and the University of Wisconsin." (CGFI bio.)

http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/person ... php?id=921

He jumped from being a government policy analyst to working for the companies he was watching over.

The Hudson Institute is funded by many firms whose products are excluded from organic agriculture: eg, AgrEvo, Dow AgroSciences, Monsanto, Novartis Crop Protection, Zeneca, Du Pont, DowElanco, ConAgra, and Cargill.

Before joining Hudson, Avery served from 1980-88 as the senior agricultural analyst for the U.S. State Department where he was involved in assessing the foreign policy implications of food and farming developments.

Funny how all these deniers are never actually currently employed in anything except as a Professional Lobbyist. Amazing that nobody is paying them to do actual science. Except this guy was never actually a scientist ... he just plays one on the Internet.

[Julian]

That Avery is a real expert on the climate.
His Hudson Institute is funded by chemical and oil companies. He is a professional BS'er.

"Avery studied agricultural economics at Michigan State University and the University of Wisconsin." (CGFI bio.)

http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/person ... php?id=921

He jumped from being a government policy analyst to working for the companies he was watching over.

The Hudson Institute is funded by many firms whose products are excluded from organic agriculture: eg, AgrEvo, Dow AgroSciences, Monsanto, Novartis Crop Protection, Zeneca, Du Pont, DowElanco, ConAgra, and Cargill.

Before joining Hudson, Avery served from 1980-88 as the senior agricultural analyst for the U.S. State Department where he was involved in assessing the foreign policy implications of food and farming developments.

Funny how all these deniers are never actually currently employed in anything except as a Professional Lobbyist. Amazing that nobody is paying them to do actual science. Except this guy was never actually a scientist ... he just plays one on the Internet.

Anytime you care to address the facts feel free to do so. You are incapable. Smear is the only tool in the liebral toolbax.

The fact that the "climate scientists" are the leeches living off of junk science in dollar amounts that dwarf the oil industry means nothing to you because facts don't matter.

Scientists who do real science, the science that exposes the a.g.w. lie do not get grants, do not get advancement within the scientific hierarchy because they, like anyone who dare to say anything remotely anti-Darwinian, are heretics who shall be punished.

[styky]

Warming oceans signal fishery changes, study says
Study co-authored by UBC scientists says Canada must adapt
CBC News
Posted: Nov 21, 2011 12:23 AM ET
Last Updated: Nov 21, 2011 12:21 AM ET
Warming temperatures in the world's oceans will cause major changes for the fishing industry, according to a study published Sunday involving a University of British Columbia researcher.

The study — a collaboration among economists, biologists and climate-change scientists co-authored by UBC's Rashid Sumaila and published in the journal Nature — says there are already signs some fish species are leaving their usual surroundings for cooler waters.

While the scientists' perspectives may conflict, Sumaila told CBC News, they all agreed on one thing: "Climate change is only going to complicate our problems. There is overfishing. It's fundamental that we deal with that."

The study he co-authored found some species are starting to leave tropical areas where signs of a warming ocean are most acute. Modelling shows temperate waters like those on Canada's coasts will experience an influx of those fish, while species currently here move farther north to the even colder waters of the Arctic.

Canada's fishing industry will need to adapt, Sumaila said.

"For example, if you think about sardines on the Pacific Coast here: Whenever the temperatures are a bit higher, we see more sardines moving from Mexico through the U.S. to Canada."

That also means taking the pressure off native species by reducing overfishing, Sumaila said.............................http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story ... shing.html

[styky]

Now if you want to see the numbers................http://junksciencearchive.com/MSU_Temps ... _Look.html

[dpwozney]

Warming temperatures in the world's oceans will cause major changes for the fishing industry, according to a study published Sunday involving a University of British Columbia researcher.

The oceans are not warming.

Ocean temperatures can be measured adequately only by the Argo buoy network.

The Argo buoys have been operational only since 2003.

According to the Argo temperature measurements, the world’s oceans have not been warming since Argo became operational in 2003.

[smallLliberal]

The Argo buoys have been operational only since 2003.

The British Navy has data going back 100's of years.

[dpwozney]

The Argo buoys have been operational only since 2003.

The British Navy has data going back 100's of years.

Before 2003, “ocean temperatures were gathered by various methods - usually collected by ships in popular commercial shipping lanes - that lacked uniformity, sufficient geographical coverage, and the ability to measure temperature much beneath the surface”, according to David Evans here.

[styky]

The Argo buoys have been operational only since 2003.

The British Navy has data going back 100's of years.

In terms of time 100 years is dick all.

[wallstone]

The Argo buoys have been operational only since 2003.

The British Navy has data going back 100's of years.

In terms of time 100 years is dick all.

In geologic time 100 years is the blink of an eye. Of course all legit earth scientist knows that simple fact but
the fraudsters want to cherry pick their data when it comes to warming issues.

[Brexx]

This should be no surprise. 6000 years ago was during the holocene maximum, the warmest period in our current interglacial period. It was a period roughly between 9000 and 5000 years ago and was warmer than the present.