Is it over for Harper… It might be…

[Soulforger]

I don’t see a majority for Harper anymore and he will probably get less seats than in the last election. This should force the Conservatives to get rid of Harper.

With two weeks to go I have seen the Cons run one of the worst elections in recent memory.

Being disgraced by a Green party that promised to eliminate the deficit faster than Harper, causing the Cons to announce they would eliminate the deficit one year sooner.

Using the RCMP to bounce a couple of students out for having a face book photo with another leader.

Smearing a woman and a conservative in Ontario, at the same time, will not play out well and will drive so many more conservative women back to the Liberals.

If the Guelf University story is correct they have proven how scared they are of real democracy. It should not be hard to get confirmation because apparently quite a few people were there.

Then there is the dispute of local ridings not conducting open nomination processes where those seeking the nomination are questioning the process.

Then there is the issue of Bruce Carson having 5 fraud convictions working with Harper as a close advisor.

Then there was the call for “costume ethnic people” to attend a rally.

This all looks terrible for Democracy and Freedom and yet it is examples of the Con problems in the Election.

[styky]

Even if any of what you've said is true and I'm not buying it, the Liberals and the NDP and still come across as whining fools with a worse record than the CPC. Get used to saying Prime Minister Harper because he will still be the leader on May 3rd.

[politics101]

Harper is a pragmatist. He's politically astute. He knows what buttons to press to win. Conversely, he's well aware of what issues he needs to avoid in order to win.

[MikeNB]

I don’t see a majority for Harper anymore and he will probably get less seats than in the last election. This should force the Conservatives to get rid of Harper.

With two weeks to go I have seen the Cons run one of the worst elections in recent memory.

Being disgraced by a Green party that promised to eliminate the deficit faster than Harper, causing the Cons to announce they would eliminate the deficit one year sooner.

Using the RCMP to bounce a couple of students out for having a face book photo with another leader.

Smearing a woman and a conservative in Ontario, at the same time, will not play out well and will drive so many more conservative women back to the Liberals.

If the Guelf University story is correct they have proven how scared they are of real democracy. It should not be hard to get confirmation because apparently quite a few people were there.

Then there is the dispute of local ridings not conducting open nomination processes where those seeking the nomination are questioning the process.

Then there is the issue of Bruce Carson having 5 fraud convictions working with Harper as a close advisor.

Then there was the call for “costume ethnic people” to attend a rally.

This all looks terrible for Democracy and Freedom and yet it is examples of the Con problems in the Election.

This post is as pathetic and out of context as iggy's debating.

[Soulforger]

MikeNB usually it helps to back up your opinion with more than a one liner. This is not twitter.

Out of context? Your not debating any of my points.

What do you actually take issue with?

Elizabeth May did release a platform that promised to eliminate the deficit faster than the Conservative budget projected. Then the next day Harper came out and promised to cut more to eliminate the deficit a year ahead of the budget he just released.

She really did shame him into getting his fiscal room cleaned up.

The RCMP even admitted that they exceeded their role by throwing two students out of a rally for Harper. Harper's paranoid staff got worried when they saw a picture of her on Facebook with Iggy.

Helena Guergis in the news and the claims she is making should be addressed. If the RCMP have cleared her of any wrong doing then don't judge her. I think it is awful if someone tries to ruin your life because it is politically convenient.

The fact that the allegations against her were hidden and took so much of an effort to find out, is not justice and it certainly is not the Canada I want.

Last night the Guelf University news story shows just how ravenous the Cons are about attacking any voter turnout that may not go their way. We hover around 50% voter turnout so what is the big deal in trying to get more people to engage the Democratic system. This is not Haiti.

So what about Bruce Carson? Do you feel he did not have 5 fraud convictions? How about working as a close advisor to Harper?

Or perhaps you are disputing the notion that there were people upset with the process of running local MP candidate nominations?

And this is just during the election with two weeks to go...

[MikeNB]

MikeNB usually it helps to back up your opinion with more than a one liner. This is not twitter.

Out of context? Your not debating any of my points.

What do you actually take issue with?

Elizabeth May did release a platform that promised to eliminate the deficit faster than the Conservative budget projected. Then the next day Harper came out and promised to cut more to eliminate the deficit a year ahead of the budget he just released.

She really did shame him into getting his fiscal room cleaned up.

The RCMP even admitted that they exceeded their role by throwing two students out of a rally for Harper. Harper's paranoid staff got worried when they saw a picture of her on Facebook with Iggy.

Helena Guergis in the news and the claims she is making should be addressed. If the RCMP have cleared her of any wrong doing then don't judge her. I think it is awful if someone tries to ruin your life because it is politically convenient.

The fact that the allegations against her were hidden and took so much of an effort to find out, is not justice and it certainly is not the Canada I want.

Last night the Guelf University news story shows just how ravenous the Cons are about attacking any voter turnout that may not go their way. We hover around 50% voter turnout so what is the big deal in trying to get more people to engage the Democratic system. This is not Haiti.

So what about Bruce Carson? Do you feel he did not have 5 fraud convictions? How about working as a close advisor to Harper?

Or perhaps you are disputing the notion that there were people upset with the process of running local MP candidate nominations?

And this is just during the election with two weeks to go...

I take issue with your repetitive sophistry throughout this forum.

The Green party's budget is relevent, and caused Harper to immediately release an emergency budget alteration?

The University voting issue is well documented and the Liberals had a similar issue, but the point is that there are guidelines to follow and demanding they be followed is not undemocratic.

Like I said before there are planty of real issues with the Harper govt that should be discussed without coming here and seeing parroted liberal talking points. I've had my say and won't bother anymore because I think you're trolling. I'll leave the veracity of my point to the content of your posts.

[Peter O'Donnell]

The sad thing is that while Harper deserves a setback, the opposition parties are a lamentable bunch and there is no really good outcome that we can hope for. All we can hope for is that win, lose or draw, the CPC will see the need to change course after the election. Whether that means a leadership review, or a change of heart, the integrity of the party requires this to happen, or I believe that the long-delayed vote splitting process of a second party will begin, forces held in check during the past three or four years will naturally spill out into the open. This alternative party would not need to be very successful to kick the foundation out from under the CPC. And if the election leaves the party in a minority situation, that alternative could become a political player very quickly, as an election could follow in less than two years.

I have no animosity towards Stephen Harper, but I can't accept his leadership for a number of reasons that should be fairly obvious by now. If he made a sincere move towards addressing these concerns, I believe he would probably be able to avoid any kind of leadership review questions or party splitting after the election. So we'll see what is really "conservative policy" for this leader in the situation that follows the election. As I say, win, lose or draw, pressure will come to change course.

[Soulforger]

MikeNB the University issue was shown to be a valid election polling station.

As for parroting liberal talking points, I think I am doing a better job than they are at holding Harper to account.

I would like you to keep in mind that I supported Harper for years despite the warnings of some within this community and elsewhere.

Then I watched Harper turn his back on so many issues the Libs are not talking about.

I am mad about record deficits and debt. I am mad about Senator Duffy when so many of us wanted an elected Senate. I am mad at the double standard of Lib corruption being bad while Con corruption appears to be rampant.

Harper lost my support through his actions. A lot of people put a huge effort into getting than man elected only to see his two sides. Democracy is not better under Harper and I don’t see how anyone can claim it has.

Saying the other side is just as bad really is bogus because Harper ran on a platform in 2006 of accountability and fiscal management. So why not hold this man to account? It is the best way for FDers to be heard.

I also do not hear the HST being talked about much by any opposition, even though it was Harper and the Libs who helped cram that down the throats of the people of BC. Why was this done? So Ontario could implement their HST.

It was clear and still is clear in BC that people want to debate this issue. We have had to start up a very costly referendum on the issue just to try and gain some rights and respect as voters. Harper took some of the debate away when he invoked closure on this issue.

Harper may have cut the GST to 5% but he paid the Provincial Government to impalement a tax increase in BC with tax payers dollars.

[winespius]

Harper was in Richmond BC this morning and half his speach was in french...this makes him look silly since 52% of Richmond is chinese...
I don't mind him or any candidates speaking french in Quebec, but in the west the working language is english....

[shiva]

I take issue with your repetitive sophistry throughout this forum.

The Green party's budget is relevent, and caused Harper to immediately release an emergency budget alteration?

The University voting issue is well documented and the Liberals had a similar issue, but the point is that there are guidelines to follow and demanding they be followed is not undemocratic.

Like I said before there are planty of real issues with the Harper govt that should be discussed without coming here and seeing parroted liberal talking points. I've had my say and won't bother anymore because I think you're trolling. I'll leave the veracity of my point to the content of your posts.

This sums up my feelings about these discussions too. I've said before that when I see conservatives overstating, they undermine their own argument. Much like the lefties and the last thing we need is more lefty rhetoric.

[Soulforger]

For once in my life I want a Prime Minister I can respect. I thought I found a potential one in Preston Manning. I have the deepest of respect for the man and some of that respect fell to those in his company. I have spoken in the past about how Democracy in Canada is something less than it should be. Once a majority Government is established it turns into a closed door dictatorship.

The power of the PMO in Canada is greater than the office of the President of the USA. We have so few checks and balances and Harper knows this.

I think that is why we see these issues where 900 students vote and the Government is there to try and stop it. Elections Canada validated that ballot box and the votes cast. Terrible optics when you consider that 900 more voters should be heard in this election.

We have such a low voter turn out as it stands. So why discourage and try to “bully” people away from voting? This is our Governing party. They should win an election based on their record, not based on the fear of the next guy. Yet that has been one of the main thrusts of the Harper campaign.

I do not like it and I certainly will call this Government on its records. Even when the opposition is too slow or unwilling to pick up the ball.

The HST in BC is the same with no mention from Iggy because they supported it. I watched the votes on the whole issue and was sickened by it. Only the NDP actually fought for BC on this issue on the Federal stage.

So Harper promising to keep taxes low actually jacked up the price of everything the GST was taxed onto. This has had an impact and our economy is not moving as fast it should. So why should Harper be excluded from this debate?

Why did the people of British Columbia have to force a referendum on this issue when many of the concerns of the people of BC could have been addressed in the House of Commons?

This referendum will cost approx $30 million dollars. It did not need to happen and the people of British Columbia deserved better.

As for shiva, I can't support someone because of a name... Conservative Party does not = Conservative Values. Why be fooled by a name?

[Marshall]

[quote="shiva"][quote="MikeNB"]I take issue with your repetitive sophistry throughout this forum.

The Green party's budget is relevent, and caused Harper to immediately release an emergency budget alteration?

The University voting issue is well documented and the Liberals had a similar issue, but the point is that there are guidelines to follow and demanding they be followed is not undemocratic.

Like I said before there are planty of real issues with the Harper govt that should be discussed without coming here and seeing parroted liberal talking points. I've had my say and won't bother anymore because I think you're trolling. I'll leave the veracity of my point to the content of your posts.[/quote]

This sums up my feelings about these discussions too. I've said before that when I see conservatives overstating, they undermine their own argument. Much like the lefties and the last thing we need is more lefty rhetoric.[/quote]

Well stated and I agree with both comments. What I don't understand is the intent of this thread. Slanted over the top ridiculous statements with little grounding in fact only serves to turn most people off. If that was the objective then I say congratulations to the author.

[Soulforger]

Usually if you disagree it is smart to point out what exactly you disagree with.

Just because you don't like me pointing out their record does not mean their record shouldn't be pointed out.

Clearly the Cons blew it with the HST and now a referendum will cost $30 million dollars. I don't remember anyone running a platform of HST assimilation. The Cons screwed the people of British Columbia into this tax grab.

Invoking closer was done for the benefit of Ontario and at the expense of the people of BC.

[Madrod]

The Liberal government of B.C. screwed the people of B.C. with the HST rip-off.The Cons proposed the change and Campbell rammed it through. Again,a Liberal government that told the people of B.C. one thing during their election, then did the exact opposite after the election.

[MikeNB]

For once in my life I want a Prime Minister I can respect. I thought I found a potential one in Preston Manning. I have the deepest of respect for the man and some of that respect fell to those in his company. I have spoken in the past about how Democracy in Canada is something less than it should be. Once a majority Government is established it turns into a closed door dictatorship.

The power of the PMO in Canada is greater than the office of the President of the USA. We have so few checks and balances and Harper knows this.

I think that is why we see these issues where 900 students vote and the Government is there to try and stop it. Elections Canada validated that ballot box and the votes cast. Terrible optics when you consider that 900 more voters should be heard in this election.

We have such a low voter turn out as it stands. So why discourage and try to “bully” people away from voting? This is our Governing party. They should win an election based on their record, not based on the fear of the next guy. Yet that has been one of the main thrusts of the Harper campaign.

I do not like it and I certainly will call this Government on its records. Even when the opposition is too slow or unwilling to pick up the ball.

The HST in BC is the same with no mention from Iggy because they supported it. I watched the votes on the whole issue and was sickened by it. Only the NDP actually fought for BC on this issue on the Federal stage.

So Harper promising to keep taxes low actually jacked up the price of everything the GST was taxed onto. This has had an impact and our economy is not moving as fast it should. So why should Harper be excluded from this debate?

Why did the people of British Columbia have to force a referendum on this issue when many of the concerns of the people of BC could have been addressed in the House of Commons?

This referendum will cost approx $30 million dollars. It did not need to happen and the people of British Columbia deserved better.

As for shiva, I can't support someone because of a name... Conservative Party does not = Conservative Values. Why be fooled by a name?

This tells a different story about the students and its posted on smalldeadanimals, a popular site with good circulation (hence my earlier "well documented" comment)

http://www.torontosun.com/blogs/thehill ... 03296.html

One thing I've always given Harper a pass on was his clamping down on members speaking. It's very difficult to have an open, communicative govt when the media is so biased and dishonest that it alters the news agaiinst the CPC by default (even with left wing actions) and it manufactures crises at every opportunity.

And BTW I don't support anyone by name and don't support dishonest reporting against any party, despite what solefinger charges against me.

Dishonesty targetting the Liberals does a disservice to conservatism by underming its credibility. I wish the same were the case for false attacks on conservatives but anti-cnservative dishonesty seems to be acceptable now both for individuals and for the media.