What party is for freedom

[Edward Kennedy]

The people of "untario" , especially those who have voted for other parties than the PCPO, would best be advised to research the statements of party principles to see who is freedom and who is not.

Looking at a membership form for the PCPO I see number one says,

"we believe in freedom of speech....and in the rule of law"

Then I see listed down the page;

"we believe that government should serve the people..."

"we believe in the ethical and accountable execution of the business of government

"we believe that...the right to private property are essential to ...politiical freedom"



These are not all of them but it is plain to see that many lieberal leftists including mcsquinty would disagree with most of the listed, considering their record.

[Angleland]

The people of "untario" , especially those who have voted for other parties than the PCPO, would best be advised to research the statements of party principles to see who is freedom and who is not.

Looking at a membership form for the PCPO I see number one says,

"we believe in freedom of speech....and in the rule of law"

Then I see listed down the page;

"we believe that government should serve the people..."

"we believe in the ethical and accountable execution of the business of government

"we believe that...the right to private property are essential to ...politiical freedom"



These are not all of them but it is plain to see that many lieberal leftists including mcsquinty would disagree with most of the listed, considering their record.

What does the federal one say?

[Godwin]

The people of "untario" , especially those who have voted for other parties than the PCPO, would best be advised to research the statements of party principles to see who is freedom and who is not.

Looking at a membership form for the PCPO I see number one says,

"we believe in freedom of speech....and in the rule of law"

Then I see listed down the page;

"we believe that government should serve the people..."

"we believe in the ethical and accountable execution of the business of govern me


"we believe that...the right to private property are essential to ...politiical freedom"



These are not all of them but it is plain to see that many lieberal leftists including mcsquinty would disagree with most of the listed, considering their record.

You believe government should serve the people?

I believe pigs should fly.

The. People?

A policy inevitably helps some individuals and hurts others. A very collectivist concept. Bring on the Volk.
".we believe government should srve the

[doggedlyright]

Edward wrote:

Looking at a membership form for the PCPO I see number one says,

"we believe in freedom of speech....and in the rule of law"

PCPO - may say this but does not act like they do.
CPC - may agree with this but does not act like they do
LPO & LPC - cannot undetstand the meaning of the statement
NDP - after reading the statement believe their rights have been trampled and are considering a HRT complaint.


Then I see listed down the page;

"we believe that government should serve the people..."

Not one of them PCPO, CPC, LPO, LPC and the NDP regonize the people or work for the people.

"we believe in the ethical and accountable execution of the business of government

We could wish that the system perpetuate by PCPO, CPC, LPO, LPC and the NDP party member was not so corrupt.

"we believe that...the right to private property are essential to ...politiical freedom"

Give me a break the only true beleif of the PCPO, CPC, LPO, LPC and the NDP is the confiscation of private property.

Political freedom of the PCPO, CPC, LPO, LPC and the NDP means do want we the elite want or we will cheat, steal. lie and abue the political system to strip you of your poltiical freedom.

[shiva]

Which party believes in Freedom?

This one: http://www.freedomparty.on.ca/

[Edward Kennedy]

I see skepticism and I already know that what is promised by politicians is rarely ever delivered...usually the opposite.

Aside from my rejection of political correctness, my feeling that there were/are some red tories in the party who needed to be expelled did not make me any friends...nor did I expect it to.

Attacks on freedom often come from within an elected party.

I listed the statements, it appears that what everyone is saying is that there are no parties that deliver on these. My knowledge of different people in the party who are defenders of justice, freedom and democracy gives me confidence that while credibility relative exists, it is non existent in the other parties, and according to some here, that does not mean the Freedom Party.

My own reports from people both IN and OUT of the riding, indicate that Randy is doing some things of benefit to the grassroots people that are not publicized. They also indicate the dippers are losing support because their supporters who require assistance received it from Randy.

Is it time to look at the candidate on the slate and disregard the party affiliation? If we had a greener candidate who was more freedom loving and active than any other candidate, would that be the way to vote?

[shiva]

I see skepticism and I already know that what is promised by politicians is rarely ever delivered...usually the opposite.

Aside from my rejection of political correctness, my feeling that there were/are some red tories in the party who needed to be expelled did not make me any friends...nor did I expect it to.

Attacks on freedom often come from within an elected party.

I listed the statements, it appears that what everyone is saying is that there are no parties that deliver on these. My knowledge of different people in the party who are defenders of justice, freedom and democracy gives me confidence that while credibility relative exists, it is non existent in the other parties, and according to some here, that does not mean the Freedom Party.

My own reports from people both IN and OUT of the riding, indicate that Randy is doing some things of benefit to the grassroots people that are not publicized. They also indicate the dippers are losing support because their supporters who require assistance received it from Randy.

Is it time to look at the candidate on the slate and disregard the party affiliation? If we had a greener candidate who was more freedom loving and active than any other candidate, would that be the way to vote?

I'm not sure I completely understand what you're saying but if I understand you correctly, you're suggesting that it is possible for individual candidates to be for freedom even if the party isn't. I believe that's true but because of the way political parties work, it becomes meaningless in terms of those people being able to actually achieve anything.

You mention Randy and suggest that he is making a difference at a grassroots level, and that may be true. He is a very strong personality and stands out on many issues but give me one example of where he is able to be effective and do something meaningful on a big issue? What if, for example, he believed strongly that the party should adapt a 'we'll get rid of the HST' plank in the upcoming election. Would he be able to do it?

Furthermore, how many Randy's would you need before you would see the party change direction? Way too many and most people don't have the stomach to last in a long protracted fight against the status quo who exist and hold most of the influence in the organizational structure of the party, which is where the real power resides.

The answer to your question is in the name of the party itself: You can't ignore the "Progressive" part and I would say far too many of the people who are long time members and supporters would tell you that a lot of who and what the party is, resides in that part of the name.

[Edward Kennedy]

Composition of Revenue for "untario"

Fed payments 20%
Income taxes 26%
Sales tax 18%


These are the biggest money raisers, with other things like fuel taxes in at 3%, EHT at 5% etc.

Do you see where this bastion of lieberal folly would be without the feds, sales tax, and the income tax...that adds up to 64%.

We would be done like a dinner.

[Edward Kennedy]

Now what about composition of total expenses?

Health 39%
Education 13%
Social services 13%


These match the revenue big three.


Others that add to the expense budet are justice at 4% and a mysterious "Other programs at 18%. ENVIROWHACKISM COSTS?

[politics101]

Neither. Both want to ebb away at our freedoms. Conservatives and liberals share more in common than they care to believe.

[Edward Kennedy]

A lot of problems exist for the grassroots citizen because of bureaucrats.

[OC]

The people of "untario" , especially those who have voted for other parties than the PCPO, would best be advised to research the statements of party principles to see who is freedom and who is not.

Looking at a membership form for the PCPO I see number one says,

"we believe in freedom of speech....and in the rule of law"

Then I see listed down the page;

"we believe that government should serve the people..."

"we believe in the ethical and accountable execution of the business of government

"we believe that...the right to private property are essential to ...politiical freedom"



These are not all of them but it is plain to see that many lieberal leftists including mcsquinty would disagree with most of the listed, considering their record.

The PCPO is a socialist party. There is only one party for Freedom in Ontario. It's the Freedom Party of course.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoQtIgB3Udk

[Red Green]

Edward wrote:

Looking at a membership form for the PCPO I see number one says,

"we believe in freedom of speech....and in the rule of law"

What does "rule of law" have to do with freedom of speech? Or any other freedom for that matter? Last I looked Canada defined free speech as speech the govt found acceptable.

[hoarydragon]

freedom party like the libertarian one trick ponies.....decriminalize marihuana

[Red Green]

freedom party like the libertarian one trick ponies.....decriminalize marihuana

And decriminalize speech.

And business.

And social interaction.

And.....

Yeah that would be terrible. Better to have the govt in control of all that.