OK, men, what if your wife elects to end a doomed pregnancy?

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You've just been told that your unborn child is badly malfomed with zero chance of survival to full term. Your previously pro-life wife decides to end the pregnancy now rather than go through a stillbirth. What do you do?

Leave the murdering bitch.
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21%
Stay & make her understand that she has done wrong and needs to repent.
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No votes
Pretend it didn't happen & never speak of it again
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No votes
Give her the emotional support she needs to put this devastating experience behind her & move on.
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Total votes : 14

Postby Post Tenebras Lux » 10/ 31/ 10 3:44 pm

By the way, I did ask my wife what she would do (though I knew the answer already), and here is what she said.

"I would carry the child to term, even if the doctors told me it was going to be still-born. It wouldn't be the first time doctors have been wrong, and furthermore, God is bigger than the doctors."

If you make choices based on convictions rather than convenience then you don't need to revisit every question as it comes up.

Your principles carry you through the questions of life.
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Postby doggedlyright » 10/ 31/ 10 3:44 pm

I will answer you being a pro-life man.

One, the gift of life is from God and should only be taken away by God.

I would sit down with my wife and discuss the issue. I would simply say that regardless of the probable outcome for the baby, it would not be our choice or right to kill the baby.

I would suggest she continue with the birth. If we only have a few hours, few days, or even a few years with the baby, that is God's will. I would enjoy and cherish every minute of that time.

God's plans are not always immediately good for someone. The obstacles and challenges he puts in front of you are to assist you in your growth as a person and spiritual individual.

Your choices for a vote do not quite fit my view.

But you poll choices are telling as to how you view a spouse.
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Postby Post Tenebras Lux » 10/ 31/ 10 3:46 pm

doggedlyright wrote:I will answer you being a pro-life man.

One, the gift of life is from God and should only be taken away by God.

I would sit down with my wife and discuss the issue. I would simply say that regardless of the probable outcome for the baby, it would not be our choice or right to kill the baby.

I would suggest she continue with the birth. If we only have a few hours, few days, or even a few years with the baby, that is God's will. I would enjoy and cherish every minute of that time.

God's plans are not always immediately good for someone. The obstacles and challenges he puts in front of you are to assist you in your growth as a person and spiritual individual.

Your choices for a vote do not quite fit my view.

But you poll choices are telling as to how you view a spouse.

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Postby Fabulous Fred » 10/ 31/ 10 3:58 pm

Post Tenebras Lux wrote:By the way, I did ask my wife what she would do (though I knew the answer already), and here is what she said.

"I would carry the child to term, even if the doctors told me it was going to be still-born. It wouldn't be the first time doctors have been wrong, and furthermore, God is bigger than the doctors."

If you make choices based on convictions rather than convenience then you don't need to revisit every question as it comes up.

Your principles carry you through the questions of life.


You reminded me of a family I knew who faced a crisis about 15 years ago. The wife was pregnant with her 3rd child when it was discovered she had an early stage aggressive cancer. The doctors told he she could not be treated while she was pregnant and that she needed to get an abortion so they could begin to treat her.

She rejected their advice and refused to abort her baby, she knew the risk she took. Her baby was born healthy and she began a losing fight for her own life. She fought like a tiger for about 2 years and then succumbed.

This woman is as valiant and courageous as any war hero I have read about. Her love for her baby was so great that she gave her own life to see this angel come into the world. She never backed down, she never recanted her decision. Words cannot do justice to her, many of you will understand completely.
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Postby Post Tenebras Lux » 10/ 31/ 10 3:59 pm

Here is an interesting quote on this subject...

A man worth his salt will not try to evaluate the value of his life in comparison to that of his wife or children. He will simply die for his loved ones. He will play the part of the man and willingly sacrifice his life for those dependent on him. He will give up his seat on the lifeboat for them; he will face death and make any sacrifice for those that God has placed under his protection. Just as every man should know that it is his duty to die for his wife and children, every wife should know that that it is her duty to sacrifice for the child she has nurtured in her womb. Sacrifice is implicit to the Christian definition of mother.

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Quoted in: Why the Life of the Mother is Not a Valid Exception for Abortion
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Postby dwday » 10/ 31/ 10 4:17 pm

doggedlyright wrote:I will answer you being a pro-life man.

One, the gift of life is from God and should only be taken away by God.

I would sit down with my wife and discuss the issue. I would simply say that regardless of the probable outcome for the baby, it would not be our choice or right to kill the baby.

I would suggest she continue with the birth. If we only have a few hours, few days, or even a few years with the baby, that is God's will. I would enjoy and cherish every minute of that time.

God's plans are not always immediately good for someone. The obstacles and challenges he puts in front of you are to assist you in your growth as a person and spiritual individual.

Your choices for a vote do not quite fit my view.

But you poll choices are telling as to how you view a spouse.


Do tell...?


BTW, once again, the poll was concerning what you would do if she went ahead and ended the pregnancy despite your wishes - I get that the choices aren't exhaustive of all of the possibilities, but they never are, are they? I'm still waiting for somebody to tell me what they'd do in that circumstance, rather than just insist that it would never arise.
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Postby D. Johnson » 10/ 31/ 10 4:20 pm

Okay, I'm sick of those whose morals change with each and every situation and story.

I voted for Leave the Murdering Bitch.
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Postby dwday » 10/ 31/ 10 4:22 pm

Post Tenebras Lux wrote:By the way, I did ask my wife what she would do (though I knew the answer already), and here is what she said.

"I would carry the child to term, even if the doctors told me it was going to be still-born. It wouldn't be the first time doctors have been wrong, and furthermore, God is bigger than the doctors."

If you make choices based on convictions rather than convenience then you don't need to revisit every question as it comes up.

Your principles carry you through the questions of life.


Read the article that started this discussion - your cavalier dismissal of that woman's choice as being for 'convenience' reveals a thing or two about your bias.
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Postby D. Johnson » 10/ 31/ 10 4:23 pm

dwday wrote:
Post Tenebras Lux wrote:By the way, I did ask my wife what she would do (though I knew the answer already), and here is what she said.

"I would carry the child to term, even if the doctors told me it was going to be still-born. It wouldn't be the first time doctors have been wrong, and furthermore, God is bigger than the doctors."

If you make choices based on convictions rather than convenience then you don't need to revisit every question as it comes up.

Your principles carry you through the questions of life.


Read the article that started this discussion - your cavalier dismissal of that woman's choice as being for 'convenience' reveals a thing or two about your bias.


It is Convenience.

She didn't want to deal with the situation any longer than she had to.
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Postby Smaug » 10/ 31/ 10 4:24 pm

Honestly the choices are rather sophmoric.

Everyone is going to die anyway. Why can't we kill them when they become irksome?
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Postby Post Tenebras Lux » 10/ 31/ 10 4:29 pm

D. Johnson wrote:
dwday wrote:
Post Tenebras Lux wrote:By the way, I did ask my wife what she would do (though I knew the answer already), and here is what she said.

"I would carry the child to term, even if the doctors told me it was going to be still-born. It wouldn't be the first time doctors have been wrong, and furthermore, God is bigger than the doctors."

If you make choices based on convictions rather than convenience then you don't need to revisit every question as it comes up.

Your principles carry you through the questions of life.


Read the article that started this discussion - your cavalier dismissal of that woman's choice as being for 'convenience' reveals a thing or two about your bias.


It is Convenience.

She didn't want to deal with the situation any longer than she had to.

Right on. You beat me to the answer.
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Postby dwday » 10/ 31/ 10 4:32 pm

Smaug wrote:Honestly the choices are rather sophmoric.


Oh, for pete's sake, of course they are. The intent is to elicit some discussion about what people really would do in that circumstance. So far, the only one who's actually come out and said what they'd do is D. Johnson. Dunno whether he's trolling or serious, but I hope he's not representative of the pro-life men here. So far, though, nobody else has said what they'd do, they've just denied it would arise & sneered at the choices.
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Postby Hailey » 10/ 31/ 10 4:37 pm

dwday wrote:
Smaug wrote:Honestly the choices are rather sophmoric.


Oh, for pete's sake, of course they are. The intent is to elicit some discussion about what people really would do in that circumstance. So far, the only one who's actually come out and said what they'd do is D. Johnson. Dunno whether he's trolling or serious, but I hope he's not representative of the pro-life men here. So far, though, nobody else has said what they'd do, they've just denied it would arise & sneered at the choices.


Unless I missed it I do not believe that D. Johnson said that he would or wouldn't leave his wife.

Whatever he's saying about this subject though he's not trolling. I don't think he's ever trolled on any subject and he's consistently held pro-life views.
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Postby Post Tenebras Lux » 10/ 31/ 10 4:39 pm

What you don't understand is the fact that there are marriages where the couple are firm in their commitment to God and each other.

Once the principles are settled, then it doesn't matter what the issue is that comes up.

But, if you must have my personal answer to the big 'if' you have posted, I would not leave my wife. Committing a second wrong would never erase the first.
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Postby dwday » 10/ 31/ 10 4:40 pm

Hailey wrote:Unless I missed it I do not believe that D. Johnson said that he would or wouldn't leave his wife.

Whatever he's saying about this subject though he's not trolling. I don't think he's ever trolled on any subject and he's consistently held pro-life views.


D. Johnson wrote:Okay, I'm sick of those whose morals change with each and every situation and story.

I voted for Leave the Murdering Bitch.
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