Aborting father confronts pro-life protesters

[Hailey]

Aborting father confronts pro-life protesters
The following video, only posted on YouTube 3 days ago, has already garnered over 300k views. It was made by aborting father Aaron Gouveia. While his wife was inside a Brookline, MA, mill getting an abortion, he took his cell phone outside to confront pro-life protesters…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEFWDYB0 ... r_embedded

[Smaug]

I turned it off after I heard the guy ranting about his wife going in with a "nearly dead baby".


Yeah, so, like, it's nearly dead. Might as well finnish it off, right

[Edward Kennedy]

A few points here ahole, first, like all wwm cowards, you pro baby torture/murder fools always pick on women to verbally abuse, why do you not have the cajones to confront a man?

Secondly, you are an arrogant prick, thinking that you have the medical expertise to predict a baby will be stillborn or deformed?

Third, you are a damned coward, justifying your lack of courage by blaming the abortion decision on disinformation, but choosing to accept it as a shroud to hide behind to shield your lack of manliness in doing what a father should be doing instead of abusing defenceless women which is PROTECTING YOUR CHILD.

Fourth, save oyur anger for yourself where it rightfully belongs.

Fifth, wimpy white males like oyu make me puke.

Finally, flock off you piece of damned white trash baby torturing murdering cowardly nutless mouse shite.

[dwday]

He didn't make that diagnosis, his wife's doctor did. Edward, I'd be willing to bet that an awful lot of pro-life women would terminate under these circumstances. In my eyes, a husband who wouldn't support her in that decision isn't worth calling a man.

http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejus ... er/?page=1

After extensive testing at a renowned Boston hospital three weeks earlier, we were told our baby had Sirenomelia. Otherwise known as Mermaid Syndrome, it’s a rare (one in every 100,000 pregnancies) congenital deformity in which the legs are fused together. Worse than that, our baby had no bladder or kidneys. Our doctors told us there was zero chance for survival.

I’m not a religious person and I’ve never believed in heaven or hell. But there is a hell on Earth. Hell is sitting next to the person you love most and listening to her wail hysterically because her heart just broke into a million pieces. Hell is watching her entire body convulse with sobs because she’s being tortured with grief. For as long as I live and no matter how many children we have, I will never forget that sound.

[Hailey]

I have to say that I have a richer degree of empathy for this man's presentatio than Ed or others here. I think that this must be a painful chapter in their lives and I don't wish this sadness on them. I do not, however, think it's fair to say that a man who wouldn't support her in that decision isn't worth calling a man. I know people who have carried a pregnancy to term knowing that the child would die simply because they didn't want to the hand that caused the death of the child, they didn't want to believe that there was no hope, and they felt that having the gift of being a mom or a dad to that child even if it did not evolve into a baby born alive was worth it. I have known many pro-life men and women who have carried to term knowing that their baby would pass or their baby would live only a few hours. I think that those fathers are very much men.

[Garden-Gnome]

I have to say that I have a richer degree of empathy for this man's presentatio than Ed or others here. I think that this must be a painful chapter in their lives and I don't wish this sadness on them. I do not, however, think it's fair to say that a man who wouldn't support her in that decision isn't worth calling a man. I know people who have carried a pregnancy to term knowing that the child would die simply because they didn't want to the hand that caused the death of the child, they didn't want to believe that there was no hope, and they felt that having the gift of being a mom or a dad to that child even if it did not evolve into a baby born alive was worth it. I have known many pro-life men and women who have carried to term knowing that their baby would pass or their baby would live only a few hours. I think that those fathers are very much men.

They *were* very much men - but again, they were supporting their woman's decision (or their joint decision). It is men who would NOT support a decision that were being called worthless, if I understand dwday correctly.

[dwday]

I have to say that I have a richer degree of empathy for this man's presentatio than Ed or others here. I think that this must be a painful chapter in their lives and I don't wish this sadness on them. I do not, however, think it's fair to say that a man who wouldn't support her in that decision isn't worth calling a man. I know people who have carried a pregnancy to term knowing that the child would die simply because they didn't want to the hand that caused the death of the child, they didn't want to believe that there was no hope, and they felt that having the gift of being a mom or a dad to that child even if it did not evolve into a baby born alive was worth it. I have known many pro-life men and women who have carried to term knowing that their baby would pass or their baby would live only a few hours. I think that those fathers are very much men.

No argument, Hailey. You misread me: I'm referring to males who would not support their wife in whatever decision she made. I doubt my wife would be one of those who would choose to carry a doomed baby to term, but I would support her decision if that was the case, as I would be supportive of her decision to abort.

[Hailey]

I have to say that I have a richer degree of empathy for this man's presentatio than Ed or others here. I think that this must be a painful chapter in their lives and I don't wish this sadness on them. I do not, however, think it's fair to say that a man who wouldn't support her in that decision isn't worth calling a man. I know people who have carried a pregnancy to term knowing that the child would die simply because they didn't want to the hand that caused the death of the child, they didn't want to believe that there was no hope, and they felt that having the gift of being a mom or a dad to that child even if it did not evolve into a baby born alive was worth it. I have known many pro-life men and women who have carried to term knowing that their baby would pass or their baby would live only a few hours. I think that those fathers are very much men.

They *were* very much men - but again, they were supporting their woman's decision (or their joint decision). It is men who would NOT support a decision that were being called worthless, if I understand dwday correctly.

I actually think that good people - including married people - can disagree about this. My husband and I would not agree on the best thing to do in this scenario. I don't think that a man who wanted his wife to carry to term and who saw value in being a parent even within the context of only a pregnancy is a worthless guy.

[One Truth]

I'm referring to males who would not support their wife in whatever decision she made.

Leaving aside the nature of the decision and the matter of abortion entirely, how is it that you respect a man who utterly refrains from making any judgment or decision in a pivotal matter of life and death which will effect his wife for the rest of her life? This is the paragon of virtue, while the fellow who's willing to make a stand for what he believes is no man in your eyes?

[dwday]

I have to say that I have a richer degree of empathy for this man's presentatio than Ed or others here. I think that this must be a painful chapter in their lives and I don't wish this sadness on them. I do not, however, think it's fair to say that a man who wouldn't support her in that decision isn't worth calling a man. I know people who have carried a pregnancy to term knowing that the child would die simply because they didn't want to the hand that caused the death of the child, they didn't want to believe that there was no hope, and they felt that having the gift of being a mom or a dad to that child even if it did not evolve into a baby born alive was worth it. I have known many pro-life men and women who have carried to term knowing that their baby would pass or their baby would live only a few hours. I think that those fathers are very much men.

They *were* very much men - but again, they were supporting their woman's decision (or their joint decision). It is men who would NOT support a decision that were being called worthless, if I understand dwday correctly.

I actually think that good people - including married people - can disagree about this. My husband and I would not agree on the best thing to do in this scenario. I don't think that a man who wanted his wife to carry to term and who saw value in being a parent even within the context of only a pregnancy is a worthless guy.

Wanting her to carry to term is one thing, but, ultimately, the decision is the woman's to make. In these circumstances, a guy who won't be supportive of his wife, whether he agrees with her choice or not, is IMO not much of a husband, and I'm just old-fashioned enough to think that the truest measure of a man is how supportive he is of those he loves.

[Edward Kennedy]

What a quandary...what a bloody hell of a situation.

If the child is missing some internal organs, is the baby at an age now that she/he would be dead if that were true?

I do not always trust medical opinions and I still say that nobody ahs the right to terminate the life of an innocent unborn child UNLESS the life of the mother is TRULY endangered, for example, with ectopic pregnancies.

To support one's wife is such a situaiton is to deny and refuse to support the baby, I could not do that UNLESS the pregnancy would put the mother's life at serious risk.

[dwday]

I'm referring to males who would not support their wife in whatever decision she made.

Leaving aside the nature of the decision and the matter of abortion entirely, how is it that you respect a man who utterly refrains from making any judgment or decision in a pivotal matter of life and death which will effect his wife for the rest of her life? This is the paragon of virtue, while the fellow who's willing to make a stand for what he believes is no man in your eyes?

See my previous post. You can spin it as you please, but yes, that's what I believe. Making a 'stand for what you believe' in these circumstances, regardless of how it might affect a woman who loves and depends on you isn't virtue, it's self-righteous pride.

IMHO.

[One Truth]

What a quandary...

If the child is missing some internal organs, is the baby at an age now that she/he would be dead if that were true?

It's no quandary, Ed. You're alive right now, uncertain about exactly how long you've got left, but certain your number's coming and that you lack what would be necessary to keep living beyond that. Same with me. Same with this baby.

If you've ever sat with a loved one as he died, would you have wished for just five minutes less?

[One Truth]

I'm referring to males who would not support their wife in whatever decision she made.

Leaving aside the nature of the decision and the matter of abortion entirely, how is it that you respect a man who utterly refrains from making any judgment or decision in a pivotal matter of life and death which will effect his wife for the rest of her life? This is the paragon of virtue, while the fellow who's willing to make a stand for what he believes is no man in your eyes?

See my previous post. You can spin it as you please, but yes, that's what I believe. Making a 'stand for what you believe' in these circumstances, regardless of how it might affect a woman who loves and depends on you isn't virtue, it's self-righteous pride.

IMHO.

So if you were certain it would lead her into depression and eventual suicide, it's the manly thing to do to go along?

[dwday]

What a quandary...

If the child is missing some internal organs, is the baby at an age now that she/he would be dead if that were true?

It's no quandary, Ed. You're alive right now, uncertain about exactly how long you've got left, but certain your number's coming and that you lack what would be necessary to keep living beyond that. Same with me. Same with this baby.

If you've ever sat with a loved one as he died, would you have wished for just five minutes less?

If you've ever sat with a love one as he died in agony, praying for it to end, yeah, you might very well wish for just five minutes less. In this case, we can't know whether the unborn child is suffering, but we can damn well know the woman we love is suffering in the knowledge that she'll be delivering a corpse, and whether she chooses to go along with her husband's wishes or not, it is her decision to make. If her husband stands in active opposition to that decision, once it's made, she's better off without the prick anyway.