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[The Devil's Advocate]

I had Baptists come to my door and ask me if I died tonight, would I be sure I was going to Heaven. I said *Yes, wouldnt you?*

We had a civil discussion and I thanked them for caring enough to come by.

I have to hand it to you, you're more polite than I would have been. I don't take sales calls from my front door for anyone, I don't care what they're selling.

[Connie Fournier]

I once read a book where someone was discussing social engineering and he said that the social engineers want us to have to say that if someone believes Ronald McDonald is god, that is every bit as valid as our belief in Christ. I don't think that Principled Conservatives should demand that other people play this game. And, at the same time, I don't think that we need to be so rude to each other that we think we have to put the hammer down on other people everytime they speak of their faith.

[The Devil's Advocate]

I once read a book where someone was discussing social engineering and he said that the social engineers want us to have to say that if someone believes Ronald McDonald is god, that is every bit as valid as our belief in Christ. I don't think that Principled Conservatives should demand that other people play this game. And, at the same time, I don't think that we need to be so rude to each other that we think we have to put the hammer down on other people everytime they speak of their faith.

So are you saying you think not all beliefs are equally valid? How does that effect someone's right to hold them, if at all?

[Yoda]

not all beliefs are equally valid?

Heavens, no

[The Devil's Advocate]

not all beliefs are equally valid?

Heavens, no

Interesting. Strictly speaking as beliefs, I would think they would be. After all, it's not like they necessarily have to be actually true to qualify as being a belief. Someone, or a great deal of someones, just have to think they're true.

[Yoda]

not all beliefs are equally valid?

Heavens, no

Interesting. Strictly speaking as beliefs, I would think they would be. After all, it's not like they necessarily have to be actually true to qualify as being a belief. Someone, or a great deal of someones, just have to think they're true.

A lie is the truth to those who believe it to be the truth
But it does not fool everyone
Just the fool(s)

[Connie Fournier]

If you are going to tell me that you think that Christianity is every bit as valid as Atheism, TDA, I am going to openly call you a liar.

Everybody is entitled to their own beliefs, and they are entitled to think that they are correct in those beliefs.

I think your Atheistic beliefs are invalid. But, I would fight tooth an nail against anyone saying you couldn't hold them.

Get the difference?

[Post Tenebras Lux]

If you are going to tell me that you think that Christianity is every bit as valid as Atheism, TDA, I am going to openly call you a liar.

Everybody is entitled to their own beliefs, and they are entitled to think that they are correct in those beliefs.

I think your Atheistic beliefs are invalid. But, I would fight tooth an nail against anyone saying you couldn't hold them.

Get the difference?

Or as my wise old daddy used to say, "Son, everyone has the right to be wrong. They just don't have the right to make you wrong as well."

[The Devil's Advocate]

If you are going to tell me that you think that Christianity is every bit as valid as Atheism, TDA, I am going to openly call you a liar.

Everybody is entitled to their own beliefs, and they are entitled to think that they are correct in those beliefs.

I think your Atheistic beliefs are invalid. But, I would fight tooth an nail against anyone saying you couldn't hold them.

Get the difference?

I do. I mistook your use of the word valid. Although I will say that, as a skeptic, I do look at beliefs different than someone who happens to believe one or more of them. And as you might expect, I don't think skepticism is a belief, it's the exact opposite of a belief, in my point of view.

[Post Tenebras Lux]

If you are going to tell me that you think that Christianity is every bit as valid as Atheism, TDA, I am going to openly call you a liar.

Everybody is entitled to their own beliefs, and they are entitled to think that they are correct in those beliefs.

I think your Atheistic beliefs are invalid. But, I would fight tooth an nail against anyone saying you couldn't hold them.

Get the difference?

I do. I mistook your use of the word valid. Although I will say that, as a skeptic, I do look at beliefs different than someone who happens to believe one or more of them. And as you might expect, I don't think skepticism is a belief, it's the exact opposite of a belief, in my point of view.

DA - everybody is a "believer". It is just that as a skeptic you choose to believe in other things than someone else. But you are no less a believer.

Quite apart from any religious connotation, philosophically speaking, it is impossible to believe in nothing.

[The Devil's Advocate]

If you are going to tell me that you think that Christianity is every bit as valid as Atheism, TDA, I am going to openly call you a liar.

Everybody is entitled to their own beliefs, and they are entitled to think that they are correct in those beliefs.

I think your Atheistic beliefs are invalid. But, I would fight tooth an nail against anyone saying you couldn't hold them.

Get the difference?

I do. I mistook your use of the word valid. Although I will say that, as a skeptic, I do look at beliefs different than someone who happens to believe one or more of them. And as you might expect, I don't think skepticism is a belief, it's the exact opposite of a belief, in my point of view.

Sorry, I just thought of something I wanted to add. Hopefully it doesn't muddy the waters furthur, as it were.

I'm considering, as a skeptic, the point of view that all beliefs are inevitably false. Doesn't that sound like a skeptic, saying that all beliefs are eventually proven untrue? That being the case, you could say that they are all equally valid--or equally unvalid, in that way. Their validities all equal zero.

[Winston Smith]

Here we all are were clubbing each other over the heads with 100 pound bible quotes and in general referencing secularist articles who seek to destroy the Christain faith of the world and satan laughs his burnt up ass off.

The only one who "won" that mess was satan, make no mistake, best intentions be damned.

It should be embarrassing for all.

[The Devil's Advocate]

If you are going to tell me that you think that Christianity is every bit as valid as Atheism, TDA, I am going to openly call you a liar.

Everybody is entitled to their own beliefs, and they are entitled to think that they are correct in those beliefs.

I think your Atheistic beliefs are invalid. But, I would fight tooth an nail against anyone saying you couldn't hold them.

Get the difference?

I do. I mistook your use of the word valid. Although I will say that, as a skeptic, I do look at beliefs different than someone who happens to believe one or more of them. And as you might expect, I don't think skepticism is a belief, it's the exact opposite of a belief, in my point of view.

DA - everybody is a "believer". It is just that as a skeptic you choose to believe in other things than someone else. But you are no less a believer.

Quite apart from any religious connotation, philosophically speaking, it is impossible to believe in nothing.

I occasionally make assumptions, but I can't think of anything that I truly "believe" in, like that I have faith in. Do you mean it like I have trust in things?

[Narrow Back]

If you are going to tell me that you think that Christianity is every bit as valid as Atheism, TDA, I am going to openly call you a liar.

Everybody is entitled to their own beliefs, and they are entitled to think that they are correct in those beliefs.

I think your Atheistic beliefs are invalid. But, I would fight tooth an nail against anyone saying you couldn't hold them.

Get the difference?

I do. I mistook your use of the word valid. Although I will say that, as a skeptic, I do look at beliefs different than someone who happens to believe one or more of them. And as you might expect, I don't think skepticism is a belief, it's the exact opposite of a belief, in my point of view.

Sorry, I just thought of something I wanted to add. Hopefully it doesn't muddy the waters furthur, as it were.

I'm considering, as a skeptic, the point of view that all beliefs are inevitably false. Doesn't that sound like a skeptic, saying that all beliefs are eventually proven untrue? That being the case, you could say that they are all equally valid--or equally unvalid, in that way. Their validities all equal zero.

Someone answers you simply and honestly. You respond by being pedantic.

[The Devil's Advocate]

If you are going to tell me that you think that Christianity is every bit as valid as Atheism, TDA, I am going to openly call you a liar.

Everybody is entitled to their own beliefs, and they are entitled to think that they are correct in those beliefs.

I think your Atheistic beliefs are invalid. But, I would fight tooth an nail against anyone saying you couldn't hold them.

Get the difference?

I do. I mistook your use of the word valid. Although I will say that, as a skeptic, I do look at beliefs different than someone who happens to believe one or more of them. And as you might expect, I don't think skepticism is a belief, it's the exact opposite of a belief, in my point of view.

Sorry, I just thought of something I wanted to add. Hopefully it doesn't muddy the waters furthur, as it were.

I'm considering, as a skeptic, the point of view that all beliefs are inevitably false. Doesn't that sound like a skeptic, saying that all beliefs are eventually proven untrue? That being the case, you could say that they are all equally valid--or equally unvalid, in that way. Their validities all equal zero.

Someone answers you simply and honestly. You respond by being pedantic.

I was trying to make sure Connie understood my point of view and where it was coming from. If that's hair-spliting to you then so be it.