Mark Steyn: In the Coulter fracas

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Mark Steyn: In the Coulter fracas

Postby Dogpatch » 03/ 25/ 10 3:45 am

IMHO Steyn nails the Coulture issue right on the head.

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I've been traveling for most of the last day and so I'm late getting to the Coulter-cancelled-in-Canada story. Kathy Shaidle has three great round-ups <a href=http://www.fivefeetoffury.com/:entry:fivefeet-2010-03-24-0000/>here</a>, <a href=http://www.fivefeetoffury.com/:entry:fivefeet-2010-03-24-0002/>here</a> and <a href=http://www.fivefeetoffury.com/:entry:fivefeet-2010-03-24-0004/>here</a>. Perhaps my single favourite line came from <a href=http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/013622.html>Kate McMillan</a>:
    See? You can yell "fire" in a crowded theatre after all!
Indeed. If this doesn't kill the <a href=http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OWFjM2EwYjY0ZTM2YzczOTQyNGRjZWE1MWQ3MzRhNjg=>laziest trope</a> of the <a href=http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTJjOTcyZTk5OTY2MjZlYTk2OWU4YTE3MTc0YjJhODE=>brain-dead statist control freak</a>, nothing will. This was a literal re-enactment of the full Oliver Wendell: In Ottawa, the fire alarm was set off even though there was no fire but only a visiting conservative blonde. As Rebekah recounts:
    Then the fire alarm went off. Do you know how loud industrial fire alarms are? Do you know what they sound like when they go on for about ten minutes?!

    People in the auditorium seemed to be very confused about what was going on. It was impossible to tell what was happening outside. The rumors that I collected (true or not I'm not entirely sure) indicated that there were protesters outside yelling "No hate speech on campus", they had barricaded a door, they were pounding on the auditorium door...

    My notes at the time read "We're trapped in here. No bathroom... This might get REALLY interesting."
Another lame argument of the censors is that "hateful words lead to hurtful actions". As Chief Commissar Jennifer Lynch, QC <a href=http://tinyurl.com/69wj4a>says</a>:
    Steyn would have us believe that words, however hateful, should be given free rein. History has shown us that hateful words sometimes lead to hurtful actions that undermine freedom and have led to unspeakable crimes. That is why Canada and most other democracies have enacted legislation to place reasonable limits on the expression of hatred.
But it was not Ann Coulter but François Houle whose words led, very directly and within 48 hours, to actions that undermine freedom. As my old comrade Ezra Levant <a href=http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/story.html?id=2718693>put it</a>:
    In a short speech, Levant said Tuesday was "an embarrassing day for the University of Ottawa and their student body, who could not debate Ann Coulter . . . who chose to silence her through threats and intimidation, just like their vice-president did."

    [Mr. Levant laid the blame squarely on Mr. Houle.]

    "A fish rots from the head down," he said. "Francois Houle got his wish. He telegraphed to the community that the University of Ottawa is not a place for free debate."

    Houle could not be reached for comment on Tuesday night.
Well, there's a surprise. <a href=http://www.ghostofaflea.com/archives/013895.html>Ghost of a Flea</a> writes:
    Mob rule in Ottawa as leftist thugs used violence, intimidation and the threat of anarchy to prevent Ann Coulter from speaking at a local, bush league university.

    That which does not kill you makes Ann Coulter's point.
That's another good line. But I'm not sure that's enough. Our side has all the good lines. The others are either nakedly Orwellian, carrying placards <a href=http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2010/03/ann-coulter-vs-the-mob.html>hailing "Free speech!" even as they threaten violence to silence their opponents</a>, or so pathologically lacking in self-awareness that in the interests of creating "<a href=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ann-coulters-speech-in-ottawa-cancelled/article1509793/>a safe, positive space</a>" they join an ugly mob to crush any dissenters. The University of Ottawa, an institution mired in stultifying conformity and intellectual homogeneity, has just received a <a href=http://conservativeinthecloset.blogspot.com/2010/03/2010-irony-award-goes-to.html>$2.5 million grant to study diversity</a>.

But you could point out the ironies forever, and the other side wouldn't care. Because they don't want to win the debate, they want to win, period. And that's a big difference. As I wrote in The National Post eight years ago - August 5th 2002:
    The aim of a large swathe of the left is not to win the debate but to get it cancelled before it starts. You can do that in any number of ways -- busting up campus appearances by conservatives, "hate crimes" laws, Canada's ghastly human-rights commissions, the more "enlightened" court judgments, the EU's recent decision to criminalize "xenophobia," or merely, as the Times does, by declaring your side of every issue to be the "moderate" and "nonideological" position...
The quality of your argument is only important if you want to win by persuasion. But it’s irrelevant if you want to win by intimidation. I’m personally very happy to defend my columns in robust debate, but, if Canada believed in robust debate, we wouldn't have these "human rights" commissions or university administrators like the wretched M Houle in the first place. The morons who shut down Ann Coulter last night don't care that they made her point for her, anymore than those Muslim agitators in the streets of London fretted about the internal contradictions of threatening to kill anyone who says they're violent.

Freedom of speech is in grave peril in Canada. In the Coulter fracas, almost all the major societal institutions behaved poorly:

1) François Houle symbolizes a decadent academy that is the very antithesis of honest enquiry and intellectual debate that the university is supposed to represent.

2) The Ottawa Police have declared that there is no equality before the law. If you belong to certain groups, they'll stand by as the mob shuts you down.

3) The dinosaur media are vast lumbering eunuchs too cowed by political correctness to do even elementary research. Fatima Al Dhaher, the poor wee thing traumatized by Ann Coulter's camel joke, turns out to be <a href=http://blazingcatfur.blogspot.com/2010/03/poor-fatima-al-dhaher-girl-offended-by.html>a Jew-hater who wants to eliminate the State of Israel</a>. But that's too complicated for the media to fit into their Sesame Street narratives.

Between them, the media, the law and the education system are actively shriveling Canada's liberties. It doesn't lead anywhere good: Ghost of a Flea's title - "<a href=http://www.ghostofaflea.com/archives/013895.html>Fascist Canada</a>" - is no exaggeration. If you say, "Oh, c'mon, if you're not a troublemaker like Coulter or Levant or <a href=http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/2886/128/>Guy Earle</a> or <a href=http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/01/the-case-for-the-seeing-eye-horse/>Douglas McCue</a>, Canada's very pleasant", well, so were large parts of Mussolini's Italy and Franco's Spain. But they were not free, and few pre-Trudeau Canadians would have entertained trading ancient liberties for soft totalitarianism euphemized as "diversity".

The saddest aspect of this sad day is the number of people who've sent e-mails denouncing the Ottawa bullies but ending with the words "If you print this, please don't mention my name." Don't you realize that that's part of the problem? In a sane world, it would be François Houle and Fatima Al Dhaher and <a href=http://sharpe-stick.blogspot.com/2010/03/university-of-ottawa-disgraced.html>Susan Cole</a> who would be ashamed to have their names mentioned. But they're not. They're proud to nail their colours to the masts of state censorship, Israeli eliminationism, and mob violence - while your support for free speech and other traditional liberties can only be expressed sotto voce and anonymously. That right there tells you how much of Canada you've already lost.
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Re: Mark Steyn: In the Coulter fracas

Postby Maikeru » 03/ 25/ 10 4:08 am

Mark Steyn wrote:They're proud to nail their colours to the masts of state censorship, Israeli eliminationism, and mob violence - while your support for free speech and other traditional liberties can only be expressed sotto voce and anonymously. That right there tells you how much of Canada you've already lost.
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Postby EdS » 03/ 25/ 10 5:15 am

<b>Dogpatch</b>, please do not "quote" articles, but rather simply post them. This is because "quoting" an article in it's entirety, displays the article in a tiny font that some of us with poor eyesight, cannot see. As well, you failed to give any source URL, which would allow us to immediately go to the source to read it.
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Postby styky » 03/ 25/ 10 5:37 am

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Postby CdnRepublican » 03/ 25/ 10 5:51 am

2) The Ottawa Police have declared that there is no equality before the law. If you belong to certain groups, they'll stand by as the mob shuts you down.
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Police coercion under state management and PC control ? Or inaction which is the same  :-k   Hmm who would ever have thought that would happen.

No slippery slopes of course exist outside the febrile minds of those savage barbaric fascist  'conservatives'.

Who elected 'students' at a 3rd rate Univ, with 4th rate 'minds' the keepers of knowledge and truth ?





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Postby Edward Kennedy » 03/ 25/ 10 6:18 am

HATE CRIME IN PROGESS!!!!!!!

I hate lynch the grinch. I hate Francois A. Hole. I hate rock the jock.
I hate annie the liar mclellan. I hate turdcitylieberal. I hate hrc employees, lawyers, pseudo judges. I hate mcsquinty the serial liar. I hate slitherman. I hate cretin, martin, and turdeau.

I hate fascists. I hate pimps. I hate drug dealers.
I hate baby torturers/murderers.

The above groups overlap in many ways.
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Postby styky » 03/ 25/ 10 6:24 am

EdS wrote:<b>Dogpatch</b>, please do not "quote" articles, but rather simply post them. This is because "quoting" an article in it's entirety, displays the article in a tiny font that some of us with poor eyesight, cannot see. As well, you failed to give any source URL, which would allow us to immediately go to the source to read it.

:offtopic: I know but humour me. :-k

EdS it's much easier to see if you go into your profile and tick on FDSimple. You then have an all white page. I also use the magnifier download from Firefox which allows me to increase the letter size more than 200% and it can be changed page to page if you want.
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Postby Edward Kennedy » 03/ 25/ 10 6:26 am

styky wrote:
EdS wrote:<b>Dogpatch</b>, please do not "quote" articles, but rather simply post them. This is because "quoting" an article in it's entirety, displays the article in a tiny font that some of us with poor eyesight, cannot see. As well, you failed to give any source URL, which would allow us to immediately go to the source to read it.

:offtopic: I know but humour me. :-k

EdS it's much easier to see if you go into your profile and tick on FDSimple. You then have an all white page. I also use the magnifier download from Firefox which allows me to increase the letter size more than 200% and it can be changed page to page if you want.


Does that mean if someone posts the pictures of lieberals, that we will be able to see all the fungii and boogers hanging off their carcasses?
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Postby styky » 03/ 25/ 10 6:29 am

Edward Kennedy wrote:
styky wrote:
EdS wrote:<b>Dogpatch</b>, please do not "quote" articles, but rather simply post them. This is because "quoting" an article in it's entirety, displays the article in a tiny font that some of us with poor eyesight, cannot see. As well, you failed to give any source URL, which would allow us to immediately go to the source to read it.

:offtopic: I know but humour me. :-k

EdS it's much easier to see if you go into your profile and tick on FDSimple. You then have an all white page. I also use the magnifier download from Firefox which allows me to increase the letter size more than 200% and it can be changed page to page if you want.


Does that mean if someone posts the pictures of lieberals, that we will be able to see all the fungii and boogers hanging off their carcasses?

It makes it clearer it doesn't give you visions :lol:
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Postby J.B. Stone » 03/ 25/ 10 6:01 pm

This is just about the FUNNIEST thing that has happened since I started posting here.

Who would have EVER thought that the person who threw down the biggest gauntlet for defending Free Speech in Canada would be a skinny American chick who did so by saying NOTHING at all.....???

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Postby Dogpatch » 03/ 25/ 10 9:20 pm

EdS wrote:<b>Dogpatch</b>, please do not "quote" articles, but rather simply post them. This is because "quoting" an article in it's entirety, displays the article in a tiny font that some of us with poor eyesight, cannot see. As well, you failed to give any source URL, which would allow us to immediately go to the source to read it.


I'll take that under advisement.
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Postby Dogpatch » 03/ 25/ 10 9:22 pm

Dogpatch wrote:
EdS wrote:<b>Dogpatch</b>, please do not "quote" articles, but rather simply post them. This is because "quoting" an article in it's entirety, displays the article in a tiny font that some of us with poor eyesight, cannot see. As well, you failed to give any source URL, which would allow us to immediately go to the source to read it.


I'll take that under advisement.


EdS, I did give the link, however, since your eyes are tired, I have to excuse you.
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