How best to fund & support the Lemire Appeal ?

[fourhorses]

How best to fund and support the Lemire Appeal ?


Jay Currie has a <a href=http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/i-go-away-for-a-day/>post </a>

Now, this is not good news for Marc Lemire. He has had to carry the costs of this farce to this point and now he is going to have to bear the costs of an appeal. We all need to figure out how best to fund Marc’s appeal and we need to pursuade the Canadian Civil Liberties Association, the BC Civil Rights Association and the various press and media councils in Canada to apply for intervenor status.

This is no longer Marc Lemire vs the CHRC.

Lemire has carried the ball on his own, for a long time now. Many have expressed the desire to see the Lemire decision appealed by the CHRC, to have s13 adjudicated before a real court, as well as having the corruption and malfeasance of the CHRC brought to light, without Roo Rules covering up.





This is now We the People vs the CHRC.
This is our opportunity to stand up and be counted, or forever hold our tongues.
We won't get a better shot at it than this !




As Currie notes, We the People all need to figure out how best to fund and support Marc’s appeal on our behalf.

[styky]

What happened to the fund that Ezra had going?

[fourhorses]

Money will be a critical factor here. As noted in the above, interveners will also be required.


Let us consider just the preliminary paperwork costs:

Lemire's side will need to submit to the court a copy of all the evidence in his case, plus all the transcripts and rulings. That will be at least 5 copies of each, plus copies for every intervener group who may wish to help.

That alone will amount to 10,000 - 20,000 pages.
Binders, tabs, sorted etc - that's $5,000 - $10,000 just in paper costs, (without labour or legal costs) to submit the existing defense.

They also have to prepare a response to the CHRC, filing fees etc.

[fourhorses]

What happened to the fund that Ezra had going?

Dunno


I reckon the bill will come in somewhere between $50,000 - $100,000.
Lemire might have a closer handle on this, and others who have been through the Appeals process can shed some light, but I don't think I am far off.

[Harry Abrams]

How best to fund and support the Lemire Appeal ?

Bake sales, car washes, raffles and talent nights are pretty good.

Back when I was a youngster, my B'nai Brith youth group peddled kosher salamis door-to-door. It was moderately successful too.

[Gerry T. Neal]

Bake sales, car washes, raffles and talent nights are pretty good.

Come and hear Harry Abrams play the accordian everybody. All proceeds go to the Marc Lemire appeal fund.

[Harry Abrams]

Bake sales, car washes, raffles and talent nights are pretty good.

Come and hear Harry Abrams play the accordian everybody. All proceeds go to the Marc Lemire appeal fund.

Oh crap... my lederhosen are still at the cleaners!

[goldhound]

How best to fund and support the Lemire Appeal ?

Bake sales, car washes, raffles and talent nights are pretty good.

Back when I was a youngster, my B'nai Brith youth group peddled kosher salamis door-to-door. It was moderately successful too.

I was not aware that Witch hunters had such a talent for sarcasm

[Connie Fournier]

OK, that made me laugh.

But, to get back to the topic, I think there are a couple of things we need to do right off the bat.

The first thing is that we have to do is stop this campaign of defamation that is still going on against Marc Lemire.

He was investigated by the CHRC and Richard Warman for six years and they couldn't find a single thing he wrote that violated Section 13. Marc Lemire has a cleaner record than almost any blogger on either side of this debate.

So, when we read a post by someone on our side and they are calling Marc an "alleged anti-Semite", or a white supremacist...or if they start their sentence with "I wouldn't allow Marc Lemire in my house but...", or if they simply "distance themselves" from Marc Lemire by reporting the story without mentioning his name, we need to call them on it.

We need Marc to win this battle for us, and he is going to need money to win it. Our side needs to grow some gonads. Are the censors going to try to smear us for siding with Lemire? Probably. But the Nazi smear has jumped the shark. Lemire has been cleared by the most anti-hatespeech organization in the country, so not one reasonable-minded person is going to think that you support hate speech just because you support Marc.

But, every time you start a sentence about Marc Lemire with the words, "I don't agree with what he stands for, but...", you are doing damage to the freespeech cause. Potential donors are obviously not going to support Marc Lemire in this effort if they think they are sending money to a "Nazi". I know I wouldn't.

So, if you really want to win this battle, support Marc Lemire and call other freespeechers out if they don't support him.

This battle is important. Let's win it.

[Harry Abrams]

Potential donors are obviously not going to support Marc Lemire in this effort if they think they are sending money to a "Nazi". I know I wouldn't.

A bit late.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Lemire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritage_Front

[Connie Fournier]

Potential donors are obviously not going to support Marc Lemire in this effort if they think they are sending money to a "Nazi". I know I wouldn't.

A bit late.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Lemire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritage_Front

I don't believe anything I read on wikipedia. At my school, we are not allowed to use it as a source.

[cinyc]

Money will be a critical factor here. As noted in the above, interveners will also be required.


Let us consider just the preliminary paperwork costs:

Lemire's side will need to submit to the court a copy of all the evidence in his case, plus all the transcripts and rulings. That will be at least 5 copies of each, plus copies for every intervener group who may wish to help.

That alone will amount to 10,000 - 20,000 pages.
Binders, tabs, sorted etc - that's $5,000 - $10,000 just in paper costs, (without labour or legal costs) to submit the existing defense.

They also have to prepare a response to the CHRC, filing fees etc.

I'm curious: Why should Lemire be required to submit most of this instead of the CHRC, who decided to appeal in the first place?

[fourhorses]

Money will be a critical factor here. As noted in the above, interveners will also be required.


Let us consider just the preliminary paperwork costs:

Lemire's side will need to submit to the court a copy of all the evidence in his case, plus all the transcripts and rulings. That will be at least 5 copies of each, plus copies for every intervener group who may wish to help.

That alone will amount to 10,000 - 20,000 pages.
Binders, tabs, sorted etc - that's $5,000 - $10,000 just in paper costs, (without labour or legal costs) to submit the existing defense.

They also have to prepare a response to the CHRC, filing fees etc.

I'm curious: Why should Lemire be required to submit most of this instead of the CHRC, who decided to appeal in the first place?

The CHRC will submit their evidence pertaining their charge against him on hate speech, but they certainly won't submit what Lemire has uncovered and brought forth as evidence on the CHRC's corruption and malfeasance.

Much of the CHRC game strategy relies upon targeting poor and non-legally represented respondents. The CHRC has effectively an unlimited budget when compared to even the average citizen. I suspect they lack the talent available in the pool of the private sector.


MacLeans/Steyn had the financial resources, the staffing and the where-with-all to mount a formidable challenge. MacLeans would have also had the support of the MSM and their whole case right up to the federal level would have been one big advertising bonus. MacLeans was dropped on that basis, nothing to do with merits of the case.

[WestViking]

This is our fight.

Marc Lemire is the closest of anyone to getting CHRA s 13 before a real court for a review. Hundreds of victims of the HRCs and thousands of us in the HRC sights need to have s 13 and the HRC methods exposed to a real court with real rules.

The CHRC and Warman have not only failed to show Marc Lemire is guilty of anything other than defending himself, but wound up getting themselves in a world of hurt. It is our duty to intensify that hurt by supporting Marc Lemire with every $5 bill we can spare and then figure out how we can scrounge up a few more $5 bills for the cause.

[fourhorses]

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Friday, October 02, 2009


Rally the Troops for Free Speech - A campaign for intervenor status in the Judicial Review of Warman v. Lemire



The CHRC has mounted a Kamikaze effort to defend the odious Section 13 (1). It is imperative that we ask those organizations who support 13 (1)'s repeal to seek Intervenor Status in the upcoming judicial review of Warman v. Lemire .

Do your bit, write the organizations listed below, where appropriate ask if they plan to seek official status at the judicial review, offer to assist if at all possible with a donation. Nag Harper, nag Nicholson nag your MP, nag the members of the Justice Committee. Send a letter to the editor of your local daily, or write your favourite columnist.

This is your fight, take a swing and make it count for Free Speech. Let our opponents know that we will not negotiate and we will not beg for what is rightfully ours.

Canadian Civil Liberties Association
506 – 360 Bloor Street West
Toronto, ON M5S 1X1
Phone: 416-363-0321
Fax: 416-861-1291
email: mail@ccla.org

Canadian Constitution Foundation
National Office (Alberta)
Suite 240, 1830 - 52 Street SE
Calgary, AB T2B 1N1
Phone: (403) 313-1318
Fax: (403) 313-1380
Email: info@CanadianConstitutionFoundation.ca

BC Civil Liberties Association
550 - 1188 West Georgia Street
Vancouver, BC V6E 4A2
Tel: 604.687.2919
Fax: 604.687.3045
Email: info@bccla.org

The Canadian Association of Journalists
Algonquin College
1385 Woodroffe Avenue, B224
Ottawa, ON K2G 1V8
Telephone 613-526-8061
Fax: 613-521-3904

Catholic Civil Rights League
120 Eglinton Ave. East, Suite 500
Toronto, ON
M4P 1E2
Tel: 416-466-8244
email:ccrl@ccrl.ca

Catholic Womens League of Canada
C-702 Scotland Avenue
Winnipeg, Manitoba R3M 1X5
National Office Telephone and Facsimile
Telephone: (204) 927-2310
Toll-free: (888) 656-4040
Facsimile: (204) 927-2321
Toll-free Facsimile: (888) 831-9507
E-mail: national@cwl.ca

Egale Canada
By Phone: (613) 230-1043,(888) 204-7777
By Fax: (416) 642-6435
By Email: egale.canada@egale.ca

PEN Canada
24 Ryerson Ave., Suite 301
Toronto ON M5T 2P3
Phone: 416 703 8448
Fax: 416 703 3870
Email: queries@pencanada.ca

Electronic Frontier Canada, Inc.
20 Richmond Avenue
Kitchener, Ontario
N2G 1Y9
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People to Nag:

Conservative Party of Canada
#1204 - 130 Albert Street
Ottawa, Ontario
K1P 5G4

Toll free: (866) 808-8407
Phone: (613) 755-2000
Fax at: (613) 755-2001

Prime Minister Harper - HarpeS@parl.gc.ca , pm@pm.gc.ca

Rob Nicholson - Nicholson.R@parl.gc.ca

Justice Committee

Conservative MP's
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People to send persuasive but non-threatening letters to:

Canadian Human Rights Commission
344 Slater Street, 8th Floor,
Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1E1,
CanadaTelephone: (613) 995-1151
Toll Free: 1-888-214-1090
TTY: 1-888-643-3304
Fax: (613) 996-9661

*Since the CHRC hasn't provided a direct e-mail address write your favourite government "Neo-Nazi Hate Squad" member: jadewarr@yahoo.ca, jadewarrior@execulink.com, odensrevenge@gmail.com, hanoushi@yahoo.com

Canadian Human Rights Tribunal
160 Elgin Street, 11th Floor
Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1J4
Telephone: (613) 995-1707
TTY: (613) 947-1070
Fax: (613) 995-3484
E-mail: registrar@chrt-tcdp.gc.ca

Canadian Arab Federation
1057 McNicoll Avenue
Toronto, Ontario,
Canada M1W 3W6
T: (416) 493-8635 or 1-866-886-4675
F: (416) 493-9239
E: info@caf.ca

Canadian Islamic Congress
Mrs. Wahida Valiante
Chair & National President
(905) 771-1023
(Cell) 647 802 8024
e-mail:cicnp@canadianislamiccongress.com

Canadian Jewish Congress
National Office
100 Sparks Street, Suite 650
Ottawa, Ontario, K1P 5B7
canadianjewishcongress@cjc.ca
Phone: (613) 233-8703
Fax: (613) 233-8748

B'nai Brith
15 Hove Street
Toronto, Ontario M3H 4Y8
Tel.: (416) 633-6224
Fax : (416) 630-2159
e-mail: mailto:bnb@bnaibrith.ca
or
Michael Mostyn
National Director of Public Affairs
Fuller Bldg. 212-75
Albert Street
Ottawa, Ontario, K1P 5E7
Tel.: (613) 598-0060
Fax: (613) 598-0059
e-mail: ParliamentHill@bnaibrith.ca
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My readers, such good writers, here's an excellent example letter:

" Hello,

It has come to my attention that the Canadian Human Rights Commission has asked for a judicial review of the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal's decision in the case of Warman v. Lemire, which ruled that the application of Section 13(1) of the Canadian Human Rights Act ( pertaining to messages of hate ), and Section 54(1)(c) of the Act were unconstitutional. The Canadian Human Rights Commission apparently disagrees with this decision, and wishes for the application of Sections 13(1) and 54(1)(c) to be continued unabated by the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal.

Now, as the application of these two sections of the CHRA has been seen to lead to a violation of both Canadians' natural and chartered rights to freedom of speech ( in nearly all of the cases brought to Tribunal on behalf of Richard Warman; Warman v. Lemire in particular ), and has led to a massive outcry of public opinion across the country against the existence of these two sections, I would just like to enquire if the BC Civil Liberties Association will be seeking intervenor status in this upcoming judicial review.

You would have my full support, as a resident of British Columbia, and, I am sure, the support of many other British Columbians and Canadians if you were to do so.

Sincerely,

You!