New book on Alberta separatism.

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Postby D. Johnson » 08/ 01/ 09 4:23 am

Brown envelope wrote:Alberta got their act together and was debt free when oil was under $50/barrel. Anyone who says Alberta is a success just because of oil is admitting they have no clue what they are talking about.


And Alberta will come back out of debt in the same price range, because first, we must go back into debt before removing those who would have us in debt.
Should the next Alberta election be between a PC party led by Morton, and a Wildrose Alliance party led by Smith. No matter the winner Alberta Separatism will rear its head with more force than seen in the 80's before the winner calls a third election.

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Re: New book on Alberta separatism.

Postby D. Johnson » 08/ 01/ 09 4:25 am

C.Morgan wrote:Michael Wagner has written a good book on the history and future of Alberta separatism.

I am flogging it of course as he covers somebody pretty dear to my heart in it. ;)

Aside from my vanity, it is a good read. While I consider myself to be up on the subject, I learned a few things from the book.

The book is available here:

http://www.freedompress.ca/collections/ ... en-and-now

It is on Amazon and will likely be distributed elsewhere. It looks like the best price is going directly to the publisher.


If you value being such a great part of the Wildrose Alliance so much, why would you continue to post ammunition against yourself? (Asked civilly, I'm beyond pounding my head against the wall now, just trying to figure out...)
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Re: New book on Alberta separatism.

Postby C.Morgan » 08/ 01/ 09 8:52 am

D. Johnson wrote:
C.Morgan wrote:Michael Wagner has written a good book on the history and future of Alberta separatism.

I am flogging it of course as he covers somebody pretty dear to my heart in it. ;)

Aside from my vanity, it is a good read. While I consider myself to be up on the subject, I learned a few things from the book.

The book is available here:

http://www.freedompress.ca/collections/ ... en-and-now

It is on Amazon and will likely be distributed elsewhere. It looks like the best price is going directly to the publisher.


If you value being such a great part of the Wildrose Alliance so much, why would you continue to post ammunition against yourself? (Asked civilly, I'm beyond pounding my head against the wall now, just trying to figure out...)


People will post such things whether I like it or not. I don't hide from my history.

People can read through years of my evolution of political thought and actions on Project Alberta for example, or they can read the book that I linked to.

The book summarizes quite well where I was coming from 10 years ago and where I am today.

I stood before the membership quite recently and was quite handily elected to a board position. In the weeks leading up to the AGM I was working on assuring that the separatist motion was quashed quite openly.

Posting honestly is not posting ammunition against one's self.
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Re: New book on Alberta separatism.

Postby First Lady » 08/ 01/ 09 10:37 am

D. Johnson wrote:If you value being such a great part of the Wildrose Alliance so much, why would you continue to post ammunition against yourself? (Asked civilly, I'm beyond pounding my head against the wall now, just trying to figure out...)


Have you read it yet? I assure you it will stop that pounding in your head.

The section referencing Cory and the Wildrose was shared with the executive prior to publication and there was not one negative comment to be had.

If it gives any ammunition it is to the hardcore separatists who might now see Cory as a traitor.
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Postby D. Johnson » 08/ 01/ 09 12:38 pm

If your memory serves you right, I was very close (in the same campaign room) when Psycho got smeared and had to drop off the face of the planet in a matter of hours, over his posting on internet forums.

Everything that you have posted is easily used against you, and saying that the executive of the party approved the book before publication is only giving Stelmach's handlers more ammo. Imagine this:

Calgary Herald
April 14, 2012
By Joe Dope

WILDROSE ALLIANCE CANDIDATE HAS A HISTORY OF SEPERATIST VIEWS!

In a shocking twist of events in the Calgary-Deerfoot riding, Wildrose Alliance candidate Cory Morgan, husband of Calgary McLeod Wildrose Alliance candidate Jane Morgan, has been found out to have a long history of sepratist activism in the province of Alberta. We were unable to reach Cory Morgan for comment before going to print, but Progressive Conservative candidate " " had this to say: "I think we should take a look at the facts in this matter and try to discern whether his political intentions have changed over time, or if he really is a sepratist!"

Leader of the Sepration Party of Alberta from ____ to ____, and one of its founding members, Mr. Morgan, shortly after leaving the Sepratist Party of Alberta, did join and become a very active member of the Wildrose Alliance Party of Alberta.

Although its hard to say for sure, Mr. Morgan did have a section written about him in a Sepratist compilation that was published in 2009. In fact, this was published with the approval of the Wildrose Alliance board of executives WHILE Cory Morgan was a member of the board. The book _________, also shows some of the history about Wildrose Candidate John Doe in the West Yellowhead riding which erupted last month and apparently has done the party up there quite a bit of damage.

etc. etc. etc.

It could all be completely true, and yet still written to completely destroy you and your wife.

Good luck, you'll need it.
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Postby First Lady » 08/ 01/ 09 1:11 pm

D. Johnson wrote: Everything that you have posted is easily used against you, and saying that the executive of the party approved the book before publication is only giving Stelmach's handlers more ammo.


I never said that.

The party had absolutely no say in what was in or not in the book.
Cory simply got a copy of the manuscript and since it referenced the WAP, he passed that section along to the executive. To which there were no negative comments.

Again, I encourage to read the book. I sure others will and can decide for themselves.

Imagine this:

Calgary Herald
April 14, 2012
By Joe Dope

WILDROSE ALLIANCE CANDIDATE HAS A HISTORY OF SEPERATIST VIEWS!

etc. etc. etc.


Already been done: http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/n ... bffadfd46e

It could all be completely true, and yet still written to completely destroy you and your wife.

Good luck, you'll need it.


The same could be said for a number of PC'ers with separatist leanings. Mark Norris for example.
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Postby First Lady » 08/ 01/ 09 1:13 pm

BTW, Cory was never leader of the SPA. He was leader of the AIP :lol:

(at 29 yrs of age) He's matured a wee bit since then. :D
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Postby DA_Champion » 08/ 01/ 09 7:17 pm

Wow, nationalist leader at 29, very precocious.
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Postby D. Johnson » 08/ 01/ 09 8:21 pm

First Lady wrote:BTW, Cory was never leader of the SPA. He was leader of the AIP :lol:

(at 29 yrs of age) He's matured a wee bit since then. :D


If you didn't get the point in that article that facts dont matter, and if you think I really care, then obviously your over-estimating the journalist profession. Encouraging someone to study a person or cause they dont give a rat's ass about doesn't change the damage that can be done.

" I never said that. "

Didnt say that you or Cory did. I didnt quote anyone, Psycho was never directly quoted either. Mark Norris is already a sunk ship, why would the Journal write an article on it? C Morgan is not yet a sunk ship, I'm just saying he's making it unavoidable. And the "bigger" the party gets, or at least "looks" the more blood they'll look for.

I'd have thought you would have learned by now after the brushes you've already had with the media. What happened to Jeff a few weeks ago still has left some unnerved members and former members.

The advice is be cautious, don't give me more reasons to be stupid.
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Postby BO Supporter » 08/ 07/ 09 10:06 pm

I believe Mr. Norris, as a separatist, went to a federalist party to undermine the reputation of federalists. However, these kind of things, more often than not, backfire.
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