Issue #32- Out

[adamyoshida]

I've managed to post the articles for Issue 32. We're going to have a lot more to come in the next while. I encourage all of you to take a peak- keep watching during the week, as I plan to update twice weekly.

http://www.freedominstitute.ca

I'd also like to invite anyone here to contribute. This is an important time for conservatism in Canada, and I think we could use a good debate.

If someone is feeling really nice, they could post these articles on Free Republic with a link to the site- Free Republic frowns on self-posted articles.

[mingless]

I took a look at the site. Some interesting stuff.

Unfortunately, you also advocate murder. The site is vile and your morals disgusting. The sooner it fails the better.

[Jason Kauppinen]

I took a look at the site. Some interesting stuff.

Unfortunately, you also advocate murder. The site is vile and your morals disgusting. The sooner it fails the better.

Say what????

[pinetree]

Your Oct. 20 article is RIGHT ON!

[mingless]

I took a look at the site. Some interesting stuff.

Unfortunately, you also advocate murder. The site is vile and your morals disgusting. The sooner it fails the better.

Say what????

The stuff about blowing up Chinese astronauts and annexing the moon.

[adamyoshida]

Acting in the interests of Western Civilization is hardly 'murder'- it's sensible foreign policy. Allowing the Chinese to gain mastery of space would be a military disaster on an unimaginable scale. Anything (and I mean, anything) must be done to prevent such a horror from coming to pass.

For those in doubt- I invite you to read the article- it's at: www.freedominstitute.ca

[mingless]

Calling it "Western civilization's best interest" doesn't change anything. Calling it "justifiable pre-emption" doesn't change anything. It's murder. You suggest we should murder people. Not attack them, or fight a war with them, or anything like that - just murder them. It's about that simple.

[Jason Kauppinen]

mingless is right.

There is a huge moral difference between assassinating a soldier or astronaut serving a rival country in peacetime and, for example, assassinating a terrorist plotting to make an attack on the west.

The error that you've made is in treating the two equally. It's a logical error of false equivelency.

[adamyoshida]

Not really. Anyone who is going to harm the United States and the West (and the Chinese Space Program will, in the long term, do that) is a valid target. The real trick would be not getting caught.

As I said, the fragile nature of spacecraft makes this easier.

China is an enemy. Anything does to hinder China, therefore, is a good thing. In my view it's as simple as that.

After all, no one who serves the Chinese Communist government can be considered an 'innocent.'

[mingless]

What kind of fascist are you? Not only do you advocate assassinating the innocent (and yes, Chinese astronauts are innocent, it's not a matter of opinion), you also encourage the government to do more to "create a war atmosphere" and create a national registry of people's skills for drafting them in "time of emergency".

The name "Freedom Institute" is rather dubious, given your rather bizarre values.

[Jason Kauppinen]

After all, no one who serves the Chinese Communist government can be considered an 'innocent.'

Exactly how broad is that definition of yours? Does it include any Chinese not actively trying to overthrow the Chinese Communist government?

[lethbridge_east]

For me we are not at war thus we cannot just go kill people willy nilly and some circumspection should be used.

Is the Chinese space program a propaganda tool? Sure.

Is it enough reason to kill anyone... no. Any more than it would be justifiable to have killed Yuri Gegarin.

At the end of the day we are not at war, the space program of China's is about three decades too late and realistically we could easily punch their lights out up there.

Its over kill (not to stress something).

[adamyoshida]

It would have been perfectly justifiable to have killed Yuri Gagarin, were such a thing possible in 1961. Look at the huge morale boost that the space program gave to the Soviet people, just as the present space program is giving a huge morale boost to the Chinese people.

And yes- I would suggest that any Chinese not actively engaged in the attempted subversion of their government becomes an enemy. But even then, those simply seeking to overthrow the present government and replace it with a new one are, in many ways, equally dangerous.

The long-term goal here must be to see China broken up in several rival (and preferably warring) nations- breaking off Manchuria, Inner Mongolia, and other areas in order to forever prevent the emergence of a Chinese Superpower.

Now, are we going to kill millions of Chinese? No, not unless they say, launch or are found complicit in a nuclear attack. But will some end up dying? Yes. They live in the service of their government and their nation and, God willing, they will die in the service of the same.

China is an enemy. There is no getting around this fact. Ultimately, they are the most dangerous enemy that the United States has ever faced because, if left alone, they could win without firing a shot against America. Given its popularion, size, and resource base, the economic potential of China is probably superior to that of the United States. That means that, left in peace for the next century, the Chinese would probably peacefully overtake the United States. Within a few decades, the combined economic, diplomatic, and military power of China and the European Union will be superior to that of the United States.

That is why action must be taken to destroy China and divide Europe.

[mingless]

Yeah. Hail Freedom!

[mingless]

It would have been perfectly justifiable to have killed Yuri Gagarin, were such a thing possible in 1961. Look at the huge morale boost that the space program gave to the Soviet people, just as the present space program is giving a huge morale boost to the Chinese people.

This is such a morally repugnant view that I can't dignify it with an answer.

And yes- I would suggest that any Chinese not actively engaged in the attempted subversion of their government becomes an enemy.

Fascist thinking.

The long-term goal here must be to see China broken up in several rival (and preferably warring) nations- breaking off Manchuria, Inner Mongolia, and other areas in order to forever prevent the emergence of a Chinese Superpower.

Not going to happen. Unity as an ethic has predominated in Chinese culture since early in the last millennium. As for "(preferably warring)", again, morally repugnant.

They live in the service of their government and their nation and, God willing, they will die in the service of the same.

Sounds like Hitler explaining the Final Solution. After all those darn Jews were all working for the Zionist conspiracy anyway, right?

China is an enemy. There is no getting around this fact.

Why is that? I can think of plenty of ways of getting around this "fact".

Ultimately, they are the most dangerous enemy that the United States has ever faced because, if left alone, they could win without firing a shot against America. Given its popularion, size, and resource base, the economic potential of China is probably superior to that of the United States. That means that, left in peace for the next century, the Chinese would probably peacefully overtake the United States.

This could only occur if the Chinese were to democratize and continue to open their markets to the point where they had a truly free capitalist system - in which case, I fail to see why we should regard them as a threat. They can only overtake the United States by effectively becoming the "new" United States. Either way it'll be the same interests running the show, only they'll have yellow faces. Little substantive change will come into our daily lives.

Within a few decades, the combined economic, diplomatic, and military power of China and the European Union will be superior to that of the United States.

Maybe. So what? How does this affect your life negatively?

That is why action must be taken to destroy China and divide Europe.

Well, they're already working on dividing Europe. Well underway, in fact. All in the name of "Humanity's last best hope".