OUR FIGHT FOR FREEDOMS (Updated)

Documenting free speech attacks by Richard Warman, Warren Kinsella, the Human Rights Commissions and others who would seek to silence conservative discourse in Canada.

OUR FIGHT FOR FREEDOMS (Updated)

Postby WestViking » 04/ 20/ 09 3:18 pm

CONNIE AND MARK FOURNIER HAVE STOOD TALL IN DEFENDING
OUR RIGHT TO THE FREEDOMS OF EXPRESSION, BELIEF, THOUGHT AND
CONSCIENCE BUT THE COURT COSTS AND LEGAL FEES ARE A HEAVY BURDEN.
WE HAVE TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE WITH OUR $5, $10 OR $25. OUR
FREEDOMS ARE NOT FREE. WE HAVE TO FIGHT TO KEEP THEM. NO ONE
NEEDS TO GO BROKE OR DO WITHOUT IF WE EACH DO OUR SHARE.


OUR FIGHT FOR FREEDOMS BEGAN IN JULY 2007

Free Dominion has spent thousands of dollars fighting human rights investigators and in bringing the actions of human rights tribunals to public attention.

In late 2006 a casual browser on the Free Dominion web site decided that posts by a member could be considered discriminatory by the members of a minority group and filed a complaint with the CHRC. The complainant was not a member of the minority group and was not complaining on her own behalf.

In July 2007 the CHRC advised Free Dominion that it was under investigation. FD members were incensed and undertook hundreds of hours of research to establish what the Canadian Human Rights Commission was, how it operates, what similar cases had been investigated and what the result was.

What FD members unearthed appalled the Fourniers. They found out that the majority of similar cases had been filed by a single complainant, and that the Human Rights Commission and Tribunal had never failed to convict someone investigated for alleged ‘hate crimes’.

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FD members felt that the complainant was engaged in a witch hunt using the CHRC to punish those he disagrees with and reacted vocally and angrily. They were appalled at the methods and practices of the complainant and the Canadian Human Rights Commission and Canadian Human Rights Tribunal.

The CHRC suddenly announced that the complaint against Free Dominion had been withdrawn and that the investigation was ended. The Fourniers have been unable to establish any details respecting the complaint, or of the CHRC investigation.
 
The Fourniers waited for ’the other shoe’ to drop, convinced that the attack on Free Dominion was not over.

THEY WERE NOT DISAPPOINTED

In November, 2007 the CHRC serial complainant commenced an action against Free Dominion and the Fourniers alleging that the Free Dominion and eight members had libelled him with remarks on the web site.

The action sat dormant until last fall when the plaintiff demanded that the Fourniers provide him with the names and other personal details of the Free Dominion members referred to in the libel action.

The Fourniers opposed the motion as there was no proof of any libel or other wrong-doing, only the unproven contentions contained in the plaintiff’s statement of claim. The Fourniers went to court and the court ruled against them.

THE COURT DECISION AND OUR POLITICIZED COURTS</center>

In a decision on the plaintiff's Motion before the Ontario Superior Court, Mr. Justice Stanley Kershman, in his reasons for decision, made the following statement:

[33] In the case before the court, we are dealing with an anti-hate speech advocate and Defendants whose website is so controversial that it is blocked to employees of the Ontario Public Service.


This statement is astonishing as the reputations of the parties were not at issue in the hearing. Neither side had made submissions on reputation.

Justice Kershman’s comments politicize the case at bar to the prejudice of the defendants. The comment in the motion decision has politicized and prejudiced the case at the bar and prevents an unbiased hearing of facts at trial. Our justice system cannot allow its courts to engage in character assassination during interim proceedings.

A statement of claim is a declaration by a plaintiff that he intends to present certain evidence to the court in support of his claim but does not empower the plaintiff in any way.

On 24 April 2009 the Fourniers went to court and obtained leave to appeal the Kershman motion decision. They are now preparing their appeal as well as preparing for defence of the original action.

WHY THIS BATTLE IS IMORTANT

Democracy is messy. That is why it works. Canadians are exposed to a wide variety of beliefs and views. Politicians express views that cause us to alternately cheer and jeer.

A healthy society must be exposed to opinion it may find repulsive. Citizens need to be able to counter views they find objectionable. Our politicians have stage managed elections to the point that from writ drop to voting day, no citizen voices are heard. The dialogue is restricted to exchanges between politicians and political party spokesmen. Ordinary citizens, electors, are left out and increasingly refuse to participate in a process that shuts out their opinions.

Internet forums, in particular political forums and blogs, are the last refuge of sane patriots, people who care about our nation and our society, people who want to examine issues and seek solutions, people who want to share their ideas and views and hone their knowledge of issues so they can write an informed letter to their paper or representative, and vote with confidence.

Politicians may have shut out the views of electors, in particular views they do not want to deal with, but electors have not shut out politicians. The Internet allows citizens to come together across vast distances and work together to influence our politics and governance. That makes politicians, political parties and vested interests nervous, which is as it should be.

Efforts to censor Internet dialogue amongst law-abiding citizens must end.

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Connie & Mark Fournier

Connie and Mark Fournier founded the Free Dominion web site in January 2001. Although the site is dedicated to promoting principled conservatism, its 9,300 (and growing) membership represents diverse religious and political beliefs. Members visit to discuss and debate a wide range of local, national and international issues and news items from
across Canada and throughout the world.

OUR CHARTER RIGHTS ARE UNDER ATTACK

Free Dominion is under attack for allowing its members to express their opinions and views openly. The web site and some members are accused of libel for expressing their opinions of those who attempt to censor and stifle commentary that they disagree with. The tactic is known as a libel chill and the objective is to run up legal bills for the defendants.

Debate and dialogue on issues of concern cannot be restricted to campaigning politicians or stifled by individuals or groups with an agenda. A healthy democracy requires that we argue and debate with those who seek to make changes to our society, its standards and values.

Canada has tens of thousands of people who have fled nations where they cannot speak freely without the risk of prison, torture or worse. Our freedoms to believe and worship as we wish have been bought by the blood of generations.

If you believe in judicial impartiality, the principles of fundamental justice and in our equality before and under the law, please support the appeal of this decision by visiting http://www.freedominion,ca or drop a cheque or money order to:

Connie Fournier
2000 Unity Road
Elginberg, ON
K0H 1M0
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Postby Maikeru » 04/ 28/ 09 12:54 am

MS KULASZKA: Did it ever occur to you that you could put her security in jeopardy?

MR. WARMAN: Sorry, can you refer me --

THE CHAIRPERSON: Page 12.

MR. WARMAN: No, I don't believe it's the type of letter that would do that.

MS KULASZKA: Then you don't believe the people who frequent this forum would ever do anything to jeopardize her security, correct?

MR. WARMAN: That's not what I said.

MS KULASZKA: The truth is, Mr. Warman, you didn't care, correct?

<a href=http://ezralevant.com/2008/05/richard-warman-puts-teenaged-g.html>MR. WARMAN: If that's a real question and not a rhetorical, the answer is no.
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Postby Edward Kennedy » 05/ 03/ 09 1:51 am

People have always been "funny" when it comes to money. This is true as I have found of any organization. Everyone wants a free ride without paying for the gas or maintenance costs. It has ever been, and so it always will be.

When it comes to freedom of speech, in whatever arena, this is also the case. Thus throughout history, the few have always fought the tyranny of oppression/fascism and have also had to abide the apathy of the herd who see what is right but who do not want to expend the time, effort and $$$ to support what is right.

I speak now of mainstream society where people have no priorities in their personal lives or in the public real world sector.
Please let me know if I said something that offended you. I may want to offend you again sometime.
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Postby Edward Kennedy » 05/ 05/ 09 5:49 pm

I have some more $$$ coming down the line shortly.
Please let me know if I said something that offended you. I may want to offend you again sometime.
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Postby WestViking » 05/ 05/ 09 11:21 pm

Edward Kennedy wrote:I have some more $$$ coming down the line shortly.
Good on ya mate! Your help is most appreciated.
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Postby freenewf » 05/ 07/ 09 1:39 am

Just threw in a few $$ via PayPal. Not as much as I'd LIKE to be able to give ... but as much as I can afford right now. More later, I hope.
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Postby freenewf » 05/ 07/ 09 1:43 am

Have to say I'm kinda surprised / disappointed that this thread has been on the go since April 20, yet there seems to be little support.

What's the matter with folks here? Thousands of Canadians frequent this site ... and EVERYONE is unemployed, with no bucks to spare for Connie and Mark?

Do we DESERVE our freedom ... if we won't make a few small sacrifices?
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Postby backhoe » 05/ 07/ 09 2:57 am

freenewf wrote:Have to say I'm kinda surprised / disappointed that this thread has been on the go since April 20, yet there seems to be little support.

What's the matter with folks here? Thousands of Canadians frequent this site ... and EVERYONE is unemployed, with no bucks to spare for Connie and Mark?

Do we DESERVE our freedom ... if we won't make a few small sacrifices?


Bear in mind that what you mention is probably because it's a little difficult to add much ( aside from useless chatter ) to something as stark as a fight for basic freedoms...

You have what Glenn Reynolds at Instapundit calls "an Army of Davids" behind you- including Yours Truly- click the telling graphic for a synopsis of links:
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Postby Maikeru » 05/ 07/ 09 5:38 am

freenewf wrote:Have to say I'm kinda surprised / disappointed that this thread has been on the go since April 20, yet there seems to be little support.

What's the matter with folks here? Thousands of Canadians frequent this site ... and EVERYONE is unemployed, with no bucks to spare for Connie and Mark?

Do we DESERVE our freedom ... if we won't make a few small sacrifices?
Folks have been contributing what they can and when they can to help out with legal fees since the enigmatic <a href=http://www.freedominion.com.pa/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=84457&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0>Gentes/CHRC complaint</a> against FreeDominion back in mid-July 2006.

The Complainant contacted the CHRC on July 17 and July 23, 2007, advising that she wanted to witdraw her complaint.
On August 3, 2007, the CHRC notified the Respondents that the Commission would take no further proceedings on the Complaint:
The issue in this complaint is whether the respondent communicated or caused to be communicated, by way of the Internet, material that is likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt on the basis of religion, race, national or ethnic origin and sexual orientation.

Initially, many folks were stunned to find themselves party to an online discussion forum under investigation by a government agency. At the time, that stigma alone was sufficient to tarnish the reputation of folks posting to FreeDominion, and any posting done was under cloud of ongoing investigation by government agents.

The Complaint was withdrawn by the Complainant a full year after the Respondents were first notified.

In early September of 2007, Freedominion was given notice of a <a href=http://www.richardwarman.com/libel-Free_Dominion.html>cyber-libel suit</a> springing from a thread devoted to the Complaint withdrawal.

The owners of FreeDominion have consistently maintained an hospitable discussion forum wherein Canadians discuss a broad array of topics. Despite the legal litigation carrying on in the background, folks go on about all sorts of issues in a healthy exchange of views, and absent foul language.

In that respect, FreeDominion has remained true to it's claim as a forum for Principled Conservatives.

By sharp contrast, in the same period since the CHRC first contacted FreeDominion owners, that agency has been shown to be an incompetent and biased arbiter, and the person 'cyber-libeled' has become the object of public ridicule.

It's been a long haul, and every penny helps. Several years ago, Connie and Mark took a stand, and everybody who stands by them for doing so, be it by donation when able, or just by using the forum to communicate their views, as it was designed to facilitate, is making a worthwhile contribution.
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Postby Connie Fournier » 05/ 07/ 09 6:15 am

Since this thread went up we've had enough donations to pay for our expenses in filing all of our appeal paperwork and making several trips to Ottawa and Brighton to carry papers one way or the other.

Generally, unless we have a thread with a specific monetary goal (eg a legal bill that needs to be paid), people don't post what they have given.

We do have a legal bill that we are going to have to pay, so we will be posting the exact amount in a separate thread later so we can start chipping away at it.

But don't despair. FDers have been faithful in helping us, and God has provided all of our financial needs in this fight so far.

I have no reason to believe He will stop now. :)
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Postby J.B. Stone » 05/ 07/ 09 6:21 am

Connie Fournier wrote:Since this thread went up we've had enough donations to pay for our expenses in filing all of our appeal paperwork and making several trips to Ottawa and Brighton to carry papers one way or the other.

Generally, unless we have a thread with a specific monetary goal (eg a legal bill that needs to be paid), people don't post what they have given.

We do have a legal bill that we are going to have to pay, so we will be posting the exact amount in a separate thread later so we can start chipping away at it.

But don't despair. FDers have been faithful in helping us, and God has provided all of our financial needs in this fight so far.

I have no reason to believe He will stop now. :)


The last few weeks around here have been 'INTERESTING' if nothing else.

God Bless You in your efforts.

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Postby freenewf » 05/ 07/ 09 9:07 am

I was hasty in expressing disappointment. I forgot that some folks drop cheques in the snail mail, and don't make any mention of the fact here on FD.

Apologies to anyone who felt slighted.
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Postby WestViking » 05/ 07/ 09 12:34 pm

freenewf wrote:I was hasty in expressing disappointment. I forgot that some folks drop cheques in the snail mail, and don't make any mention of the fact here on FD.

Apologies to anyone who felt slighted.
freenewf, not everyone visits the forums daily or even weekly, which is why I bump this thread regularly. Over time everyone gets a chance to get up-to-date on the Fournier fight for freedoms.
Second, members and visitors can get a summary of how the Fourniers got to the present state by reading the first post, which we will update as needed. If we have significan new developments the heading will change to Update II or similar.
Third, most of us need a reminder that this is an ongoing issue and that support is needed. I venture many of us have a pile of articles we set aside for later reading - sometimes as a list of web sites we intend to get back to someday. Bumping the thread is a bit like a conscience - it will not lallow us to rest until our freedoms are secure.
Fourth, this is in part an education thread. As we educate people, our support base will expand.
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Postby fourhorses » 05/ 07/ 09 3:40 pm

Why we need a free speech forum to allow the exchange of ideas and debate
    In late 2006 a casual browser on the Free Dominion web site decided that posts by a member could be considered discriminatory by the members of a minority group and filed a complaint with the CHRC. The complainant was not a member of the minority group and was not complaining on her own behalf.
This little gem from Saudi Arabia on May 6, 2009, written by the Associated Press, takes us back to the kinds of issues that started that CHRC FD complaint fiasco - to shut your voice and bring in Sharia law.
-- RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (AP) --

There are few beauty pageants in the largely conservative Arab world.
There are no such displays in ultra-strict Saudi Arabia, where until "Miss Beautiful Morals" was inaugurated last year, the only pageants were for goats, sheep, camels and other animals, aimed at encouraging livestock breeding.

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"It's a matter of cultural differences," she said. "In Saudi Arabia, they are Islamically unacceptable."
It has since expanded to shut your voice completely.

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