Harper gun registry solution just a "shell game"

[homeandnativeland]

The question I'd like to have answered is why so-cons should be willing to go to the wall on the gun control issue, when we get little support on our issues? Yes, there are some who are both strongly so-con and strongly opposed to gun control, but there are others who are ambivalent about gun control. Personally, I doubt that I will ever own a gun again given the cost of ownership and storage, so I oppose gun control from a more philosophical perspective. But it certainly isn't one of my top 10 issues.

Gun owners want to remain innocent until proven guilty. Property rights in general are being foought for in the gun-control arena.

While Canada tries to purge itself of "hate speech" it increases its hateful rhetoric toward gun owners.

[Wlyonmackenzie]

The question I'd like to have answered is why so-cons should be willing to go to the wall on the gun control issue, when we get little support on our issues? .

Have you been personally criminalized by your chosen ( peaceful) lifestyle and the lawfully obtained property you choose to own?

I will defend any Canadian who is having their traditional inviolable natural rights violated by a state that is increasingly willing to ignore constitutional and traditional commonlaw restrictions on their authority. I stand beside any Canadian who wants to remain free to make their own personal decisions. I will fight beside any Canadian that wants to reclain rights lost ot redundant or superfluous legislating.

As far as I can determine (with due respect) in some ways "so-cons" seem as intent to deprive one part of the population of their free choice as the feds do mine....with the abortion issue or the SSM issue or the decrim of soft drugs issue.

If so-con support wants the rolling back of the waves of redundant laws that are enslaving us all, I'm with them...if they are advocating expanding the the leviathan's powers to punish their ideological enemies and restrict their personal choices ...well we are on different pages aren't we.

What do "so-cons" have as issues that want to put the monster back in the box?...there's your common ground with populists, grass roots democracy and libertarians.

The decriminalization for civilian firearms is an issue of civil liberty... are there counterparts in the "so-con" agenda?

The first one I can think of is this business of the government criminalizing people who are expressing a religious faith in rejecting and denouncing the act of homosexuality as a "sin"...we have hate laws that will encarcerate good people who are exercising their right to free expression and religious belief and expression.....I'm not secular but I am persoanlly appalled by most organized religion, However I am more appalled and civilly outraged at seeing people attacked by the state for their right of expressing and practicing religious faith.

[Wlyonmackenzie]

I recently recieved an e-mail froma afriend who read my comments here and he said:

“I am now wondering which of these things is true:

- Has Day caved because he’s simply not up to the job?

- Has someone been threatened or ‘bought off’?

- Was Mr Harper lying when he promised to “scrap” the long gun registry?”

I think that the things you cite here are all the extreme possibility of what MAY be happening and in all likelihood the truth is probably very understandable and these guys are just “playing the game” of staus quo Ottawa politics…..there is probably no true malice just practical political considerations at play.

However this may seem inconsequential to these guys who are now working in a closed vacuum on this issue, but the end result of the lack of communications with the support base on the gun issue has caused rumors to fly and a subsequent breech of trust.

This was the party that was going to make accountability and open democracy a fact in Ottawa yet we see them apparently ( probably out of neccesity and political realities of the system) back tracking on this.

Day’s confusing public statements may very well be complete “spin” to BS the antis and the left on the CPC direction of the gun issue while they go forward quietly dismantling it as per policy statements….but fer kissake Stock let your support base in on the scam/joke before they think you betrayed them!

[wdewitt]

The biggest fight was property rights to own and be confinsated if they were grab by the government.
Property right's have not been identify by the government of Canada.
If and when the Liberal get back in power they could go to a complete ban and forcible take all weapons away from the public.
Chance are highly unlikely but stupidity is not in shortage with there way of thinking.
Constitutional challenge would make them clarify there position on this for once and for all.
This is a tax that the government has its claw in and will not give up.
The Conservative government is trying to soft pedal so it can be more appealing towards Ontario and Quebec voters.

[ivbinconned]

Seems to me that if they intended to dismantle they would not be offering legal advice.

http://www.freedominion.com.pa/phpBB2/v ... p?t=100985

[tree mugger]

I'm not sure which way to beleive on this, but when was the last time that a government member gave out advice on how to defend yourself from them ??

It MAY be that they don't think it could pass but are trying to neuter it in a way.....

[lone-sovereigntist]

I should state that I have not read this entire thread, just two pages of it, which was all I could take. I choked on the facts contained in it. C-21 is obviously a default by the Harper government on a par with the Jean Cretin promise to rescind the Gouge and Screw Tax. I don't know where to start commenting on this situation, except to say "Requiescant in pace: here lie the hopes of those who voted for CPC candidates." (With the possible exception of Gary Breitkreuz.)

We call those others "Lieberals." What, now, shall we call Stockwell Day, Stephen Harper, and similar slick little bastards who are fishing in the same Ottawa lake for the same POWER to run people's lives? WHERE is the difference, please? I sometimes think Jean Cretin was less dangerous than people like Harper and Day, because everyone knew what a base and corrupt character he was, few intelligent people held illusions there. But wolves in sheep's clothing...

The BEST interpretation one can put on it is the simple truism that those who "work from within to change the system" in the end are themselves changed from within BY the system.

Many years ago I lived for awhile in a small British Crown Colony. One of my best friends, a very intelligent Yorkshireman named Tony Callahan, was, ironically enough, a Trotskyite. Tony and I would sit down in a pub, have a few pints of John Courage ale, argue each other back to first principles and agree to disagree amicably. Election time rolled around in G*******, and a week before the election, Tony went around in the dead of the night putting up small posters in the downtown area that said:

DON'T VOTE! IT ONLY ENCOURAGES THEM.

I have always fondly remembered his action and thought it one of the most astute political commentaries I've ever witnessed.

[wdewitt]

The sad part is the country is taken hostage by Ontario and Quebec Liberals and NDP ; plus Bloc.
They are not interest in solving the problem but doing the status quote.
There trying to use a city problem for the whole country.
Responsibile gun owner are being target and harass by glutless wonders that worry only about there own riding.

[Monorprise]

Makes me think of the movie Red Dawn where the Russian invaders went to the gun registry to hunt down the American resistance

[ccurrie]

I'm not a CPC member anymore either.

With respect to "showing our displeasure", I'd say we need a political party that isn't stuffed with Communists. Which means we need a convention. I'm thinking Kingston would be nice. Some time in August.

Campaign slogan is easy: "They aren't Communists."

[bertzlee]

This summer, while your MP is in his/her constituency, you need to go
talk to them. Politely, quietly, firmly. Elicit their support for Bill
C-21 but insist they take the next step too. The Firearms Act is still
full of trouble for gun owners and the removal of the long gun registry
makes it only a little less so.