The CHRC is a frightening place! Ground zero report.

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Postby Darren » 11/ 23/ 08 10:39 am

Connie, I seriously think it's time you contacted the MSM with this. Record your recent experience in as much detail as you can and send it to the Post. Honestly - this is like something out of a science fiction novel. If it could be worked into a full page spread, with all the background information, how do you think it would affect Canadians?

This is scary stuff. All through your posting I was waiting for the part where the security guard drags you into an interrogation room for questioning. I'm really afraid it's coming to that in Canada.
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Postby leewgrant » 11/ 23/ 08 10:39 am

Entropy Squared wrote:With such a safe sounding name as the Canadian Human Rights Commission, one would expect to be greeted by a human being, other than a security guard, and maybe be offered a cup of coffee. Instead, the CHRC foyer screams, "This is as far as you go!"

And it is.


Right on. I have had many meetings in the CHRC offices and there is a clear sense of not being welcomed. With most regulators you can usually establish a rapport if you deal with them often enough. That is not the case with the CHRC.

Fairweather set the tone with his confrontational approach and by running the Commission as a star chamber. He was well known for his rantings when told he would have to dismiss a case. He was always wanting to push the CHRA a lot further than the law allowed. His pernicious behavior is still present today in the Commission.

Harper had the opportunity to try and stop the rot but decided to appoint a technocrat as Chief Commish.

And so the beat goes on.

The CHRA needs to scrapped and a whole new approach to human rights needs to be developed. The CHRC's confrontational approach is merely bringing the administration of human rights into disrepute - as it is in many others countries too, especially the EU.

I once filed with the CHRC an access to information request - routine research reports. It took 15 months. I was told continually that "they were being translated". Eventually however I got them - bilingually!
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Postby Fabulous Fred » 11/ 23/ 08 11:53 am

Well Stephen Harper?????? Your membership has spoken.
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Postby EdS » 11/ 23/ 08 12:19 pm

Darren wrote:Connie, I seriously think it's time you contacted the MSM with this. Record your recent experience in as much detail as you can and send it to the Post. Honestly - this is like something out of a science fiction novel. If it could be worked into a full page spread, with all the background information, how do you think it would affect Canadians?

This is scary stuff. All through your posting I was waiting for the part where the security guard drags you into an interrogation room for questioning. I'm really afraid it's coming to that in Canada.

Contact Ezra Levant and Joseph Brean at the National Post, amongst others, (Breckenridge, etc.). That ought to get things started.
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Postby leewgrant » 11/ 23/ 08 12:29 pm

EdS wrote:
Darren wrote:Connie, I seriously think it's time you contacted the MSM with this. Record your recent experience in as much detail as you can and send it to the Post. Honestly - this is like something out of a science fiction novel. If it could be worked into a full page spread, with all the background information, how do you think it would affect Canadians?

This is scary stuff. All through your posting I was waiting for the part where the security guard drags you into an interrogation room for questioning. I'm really afraid it's coming to that in Canada.

Contact Ezra Levant and Joseph Brean at the National Post, amongst others, (Breckenridge, etc.). That ought to get things started.


It may be of limited or no value but it should also be reported to the Minister of Justice who is responsible to the House for the CHRC - with copy to Mme Lynch.
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Postby styky » 11/ 23/ 08 5:05 pm

Judging by the reaction in the CHRC office if I were you I would be giving a formal request to find out if you are on a CSIS list somewhere and what does the file contain.
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Postby Connie Fournier » 11/ 23/ 08 5:33 pm

styky wrote:Judging by the reaction in the CHRC office if I were you I would be giving a formal request to find out if you are on a CSIS list somewhere and what does the file contain.


I've been trying since April to find out what is in the CHRC files about Free Dominion. You wouldn't believe the lengths they have gone to to hide that information from me!
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Postby styky » 11/ 23/ 08 5:56 pm

Connie Fournier wrote:
styky wrote:Judging by the reaction in the CHRC office if I were you I would be giving a formal request to find out if you are on a CSIS list somewhere and what does the file contain.


I've been trying since April to find out what is in the CHRC files about Free Dominion. You wouldn't believe the lengths they have gone to to hide that information from me!


I remember a few years back <a href=http://www.m-f-d.org/topic/17.000018.z3ka.php>the BS the unions went thru</a> before CSIS finally had no choice but give them access to how they had been tracked by them.

Read this quote... http://www.csis-scrs.gc.ca/cmmn/ntcs-eng.asp
All personal information held or collected by CSIS is protected under the federal <a href=http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/P-21/index.html>Privacy Act</a>. This means that at any point of collection you will be asked for consent to collect your information, and you will be informed of the purpose for which it is being collected and how to exercise your right of access to that information.


Now if it applys to CSIS how is that the CHRC can be some how above the law. Are they more powerful than all of our Police protection? If the do not have to provide information then are presenting themselves as being above the laws that apply to every other office in this country.

I smell a law suit and a discussion in front of the Supreme Court.
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Postby styky » 11/ 23/ 08 6:08 pm

EdS wrote:
Darren wrote:Connie, I seriously think it's time you contacted the MSM with this. Record your recent experience in as much detail as you can and send it to the Post. Honestly - this is like something out of a science fiction novel. If it could be worked into a full page spread, with all the background information, how do you think it would affect Canadians?

This is scary stuff. All through your posting I was waiting for the part where the security guard drags you into an interrogation room for questioning. I'm really afraid it's coming to that in Canada.

Contact Ezra Levant and Joseph Brean at the National Post, amongst others, (Breckenridge, etc.). That ought to get things started.


Ezra's apparently having his own fun http://ezralevant.com/2008/08/my-submis ... moons.html
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Postby leewgrant » 11/ 23/ 08 6:24 pm

styky wrote:Ezra's apparently having his own fun http://ezralevant.com/2008/08/my-submis ... moons.html


We've known all along that this was a sham - a government agency "investigating" itself. When the report comes out tomorrow it will find that the CHRC's use of Section 13 is just fine and dandy but will recommend some minuscule procedural changes to show its "impartiality"- which the Commission will trumpet as "a vote of confidence" in its operation.
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Postby Fabulous Fred » 11/ 23/ 08 6:38 pm

They opened a can of this for the Potemkin review:

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Postby SUZANNE » 11/ 23/ 08 7:29 pm

You know, this does sound like a good story for W-5. I think they'd go for it.

And you know, I bet the National Post would be interested in your story. I would recommend sending an Op-Ed piece, under 800 words, to the Op-Ed section

http://www.nationalpost.com/contact/let ... nathan+Kay

I think you have a really compelling story.

I think we should lobby W-5.
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Postby BlawBlaw » 11/ 23/ 08 7:40 pm

Connie Fournier wrote:To my utter astonishment, he, instead, picked up a phone in the waiting room, dialed a number, and handed it to me. I wasn't even allowed to see Deborah Cansick...I had to speak to her on a phone while she hid in another room!!

. . .

Talk about "faceless bureaucracy"! It is absolutely frightening that these people, who spend their days hidden behind a security guard and bulletproof glass, have the power to utterly destroy the lives of Canadians, and they don't even have to look their victims in the eyes.


Cansick is in a cave having tea with OBL. She will release a video regarding your case in due course.
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Postby SUZANNE » 11/ 23/ 08 7:46 pm

SUZANNE wrote:You know, this does sound like a good story for W-5. I think they'd go for it.

And you know, I bet the National Post would be interested in your story. I would recommend sending an Op-Ed piece, under 800 words, to the Op-Ed section

http://www.nationalpost.com/contact/let ... nathan+Kay

I think you have a really compelling story.

I think we should lobby W-5.


I've emailed W-Five:

w-five@ctv.ca


I think you should, too.
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Postby fourhorses » 11/ 23/ 08 8:19 pm

EdS wrote:Contact Ezra Levant and Joseph Brean at the National Post, amongst others, (Breckenridge, etc.). That ought to get things started.


Ezra has already picked up Connie's story from FD and has a lengthy post on it.
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