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Mark FournierMember
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Posted: 02/ 21/ 08 11:35 pm Post subject: Timeline and context of Warman/Cools post |
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Chronology of Richard Warman’s Anne Cools Posting on
the Freedomsite Message Board
And surrounding context of post
| Date | Description | | Dec 4, 2002 | At least since December 2002, Warman was monitoring the Freedomsite.
MS KULASZKA: So it was at least by December 4 of 2002? [That you were monitoring the Freedomsite]
MR. WARMAN: That I was aware of the Freedomsite, sure, yeah, easily.
(Lemire Transcripts, Vol 4, Page 744) | | May 9, 2003 | CHRT tribunal rules on Warman v. Kyburz case.
Lawyer Pam MacEachern represents the CHRC | | July 16, 2003 | Debate rages in Canada over legalization of Same-Sex Marriage. Parliament of Canada asks the
Supreme Court of Canada for a decision.
Supreme Court case: 29866
In the Matter of a Reference by the Governor in Council concerning the Proposal for an Act respecting
certain aspects of legal capacity for marriage for civil purposes, as set out in Order in Council
P.C. 2003-1055, dated July 16, 2003 | | Aug 8, 2003 | Senator Anne Cools is quoted on her opposition to Same-Sex Marriage. (Toronto Star; August 8, 2003) | | Sept 4, 2003 | Canadian Alliance leader Stephen Harper announces that his party will introduce a motion that calls
on Parliament to “take all necessary steps” to deny same-sex couples access to civil marriage.
(EGALE sends out a press release on Sept 5, 2003 denouncing Harper's plan) | | Sept 5, 2003 | Richard Warman, using the alias “90sAreOver”, posts the following on the Freedomsite Message board
(Canadian Heritage Alliance forum) Uses IP Address: 66.185.84.204
Not only is Canadian Senator Anne Cools is a Negro, she is also an immigrant!
And she is also one helluva preachy c*nt.
She does NOT belong in my Canada. My Anglo-Germanic people were here before
there was a Canada and her kind have jumped in, polluted our race, and forced
their bullshit down our throats.
Time to go back to when the women nigger imports knew their place…
And that place was NOT in public! | | Sept 11, 2003 | The first interveners in the Supreme Court of Canada case (other than Attorneys General) were:
The Honourable Anne Cools, Member of the Senate and
Roger Gallaway, Member of the House of Commons
- Motion for leave to intervene, (bookform), Completed on: 2003-09-11 | | Sept 16, 2003 | Canadian Alliance introduced a motion in the House of Commons to “take all necessary steps” to
maintain marriage as exclusively heterosexual. Both Egale and Canadians for Equal Marriage were
active in mobilizing grass roots support against this motion and in lobbying Members of Parliament.
The motion was defeated.
EGALEs AFFIDAVIT OF IAN LAURIE ARRON
November 2003 (Posted on EGALE website) | | Oct 27, 2003 | Senator Anne Cools speaks in the Senate to oppose Bill C-250, which would amend the Criminal
Code to add Sexual orientation to the Hate Law. She said in the Senate:
Bill C-250 is a slur on many Canadians. It is a criminal prosecutorial tool to cleanse these Canadians of
their moral opinions
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My concerns stem from the fact that the term “hate” is not being used as Mr. Cohen conceptualized, but
is being used by certain homosexual rights activists to mean anyone or anything that disagrees with them.
Political and moral disagreement is immediately branded as hate. | | Nov 11, 2003 | Richard Warman visits the Freedomsite Message Board. Uses IP Address: 66.185.84.204 | | Nov 13, 2003 | Egale Canada intervenes in the Supreme Court hearing of Same-Sex Marriage -
Supreme Court case: 29866. Lawyer representing Egale Families - Pam MacEachern | | Nov 15, 2003 | Richard Warman visits the Freedomsite Message Board. Uses IP Address: 66.185.84.204.
Warman signs up the account “Lucy” and performs searches on message board. | | Nov 23, 2003 | Richard Warman visits the Freedomsite Message Board. Uses IP Address: 66.185.84.204 | | Nov 24, 2003 | Richard Warman files three separate but identical complaints with the Canadian Human Rights
Commission. Warman files against:
• Marc Lemire – CHRC case No. 20031961
• “The Freedomsite” – CHRC case No. 20031956
• Craig Harrison | | Feb 2, 2004 | Richard Warman files a libel action against Paul Fromm and CAFE with the Superior Court of Justice
(Ontario). Lawyer – Pam MacEachern represents Warman. | | June 9, 2004 | EGALE attacks Senator Anne Cools on their website.
Conservative Policies Attract Senator Cools – She Has Long Record of Opposing Equality, Abortion,
Feminism – Led Fight in Senate Against Hate Crime Protection for Gays & Lesbians
“Senator Cools is known for her opposition to equality for lesbian and gay people, to abortion, and to
feminists,” said Cicely McWilliam, Outreach Coordinator for Canadians for Equal Marriage. “She has even
gone so far as to claim that abusive mothers are responsible for abusive men.”
“Senator Cools has consistently denounced homosexuality and claimed that there is no evidence that gay
and lesbian Canadians suffer from discrimination,” said Laurie Arron, Political Coordinator for Canadians
for Equal Marriage. “She has opposed equality for gay and lesbian people at every turn. She will, I’m sure,
feel right at home in the new Conservative Party.”
Egale Website – http://www.egale.ca | | July, 2006 | Harvey Goldberg of the CHRC meets with EGALE, who he calls a Stakeholder in Section 13 of the CHRA
"As we discussed, the Commission would appreciate an opportunity to meet with representatives of EGALE
to discuss with you the Commission's work regarding
hate on the Internet."
(Lemire Transcripts, Vol 25, Page 5483)
MR. CHRISTIE: And who is EGALE?
MR. GOLDBERG: Equality for Gays and Lesbians Everywhere.
MR. CHRISTIE: So you call these stakeholders?
MR. GOLDBERG: Yes.
(Lemire Transcripts, Vol 23, Page 5148) | | Aug 28, 2006 | Marc Lemire files a motion before the CHRT to add Richard Warman as a respondent based on the Expert
evidence provided by Bernard Klatt in a August 22, 2006 affidavit. | | Oct 6, 2006 | Richard Warman submits an affidavit in response to motion to add him as a party where he denies
posting the message and also states:
[4] I do not know Anne Cools, and have very little knowledge about her other than that I understand her
to be a member of the Senate. I have no reason to have any animus against her. | | Oct 26, 2006 | CHRT Rules on motion to add Warman as a Respondent.
[14] If Mr. Lemire is of the view that Mr. Warman has contravened the Act, he is free to file his own human
rights complaint with the Commission. The Tribunal is, however, seized at this time with a complaint filed by
Mr. Warman against Mr. Lemire. The addition of Mr. Warman as a respondent is not necessary to dispose of
the complaint. Mr. Lemire’s motion is dismissed. | | July 13, 2007 | Xtra! Magazine article says Richard Warman is a member of EGALE.
Warman says that the most recent decision will send "a strong message" to haters that "calls for the
genocide of homosexuals and other groups will not be tolerated."
Warman, an Egale Canada member and a federal civil servant, files these complaints in his spare time. | | Sept 6, 2007 | Richard Warman admits under oath that he is a member of EGALE.
THE MEMBER: Are you a member of the group EGALE or the movement?
EGALE. I will allow that question
MR. WARMAN: then the answer is yes.
(Audio Transcript – Warman v. Guille: 9/6/2007: Position 1:40 ) |
_________________ "If it takes force to impose your ideas on your fellow man, there is something wrong with your ideas. If you are willing to use force to impose your ideas on your fellow man, there is something wrong with you." - Entropy Squared |
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Maikeru
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Posted: 02/ 21/ 08 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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The means.
The motive.
The opportunity... _________________ “There were not six million Jews murdered; there was one murder, six million times.” — Holocaust survivor Abel Herzberg
"Let all the babies be born. Then let us drown those we do not like." - Chesterton - |
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NoSpinZone
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Posted: 02/ 21/ 08 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Seems pretty guilty to me. OK, I hate to state the obvious, but doesn't Rogers Cable still have the records of who's account it was? If not, why not? |
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Maikeru
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Posted: 02/ 22/ 08 12:22 am Post subject: |
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Guy Burgess was at least strikingly handsome and charming. _________________ “There were not six million Jews murdered; there was one murder, six million times.” — Holocaust survivor Abel Herzberg
"Let all the babies be born. Then let us drown those we do not like." - Chesterton -
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TomFooleryJoined: 18 Dec 2005 Total posts: 5871
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Posted: 02/ 22/ 08 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| I think that "90'sAreOver" (Lucy's ISP-twin) felt comfortable venting his hate for Cools on Freedomsite. Its the simplest and most obvious conclusion. |
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Mark FournierMember
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Posted: 02/ 22/ 08 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| NoSpinZone wrote: | | Seems pretty guilty to me. OK, I hate to state the obvious, but doesn't Rogers Cable still have the records of who's account it was? If not, why not? |
The short answer is, no, but you just gave me an opening to tell a story I heard last night.
Yesterday evening I had a telephone conversation with Marc Lemire, who was at the center of this case until the antics of Richard Warman stole his limelight. The information about the Anne Cools post first surfaced during the Lemire case, which is still pending before the CHRT.
Richard Warman did everything he could to keep this information out of the tribunal records. When the Lemire camp wanted to subpoena the Rogers records Warman fought them every step of the way. He even tried to invoke Section 37 of the Canada Evidence Act, thinking he could hide behind it. In the end the Rogers records were subpoenaed but Rogers no longer had the information from that far back.
The part I learned of last night was what happened in the tribunal when Richard Warman learned that the records no longer existed.
I feel compelled to mention again that this story was related to me by Richard Warman's direct opponent in this matter, so that must be taken into consideration, but frankly, I believe what he had to say.
The main testimony in the Marc Lemire hearing took 20 days to complete. Richard Warman attended every day up to Day 8, the day the Lemire team was to present the Rogers evidence. At this time Richard Warman did not know that the records for the timeframe were missing.
At some point on Day 8 Lemire's lawyer presented the tribunal with copies of the result of the Rogers subpoena. While they were being passed around and read the proceedings continued on to another matter. Marc Lemire chose to watch Richard Warman while he read the findings. When Warman got to the part where he learned there were no records his face lit up and (according to Lemire) he said in an elated and relieved voice, "There are no records!"
Warman then walked out of the tribunal and only returned twice afterwards. Once the next day and one other time later in the proceedings. _________________ "If it takes force to impose your ideas on your fellow man, there is something wrong with your ideas. If you are willing to use force to impose your ideas on your fellow man, there is something wrong with you." - Entropy Squared |
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Maikeru
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Posted: 02/ 22/ 08 1:16 am Post subject: |
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| Marc Lemire wrote: | | his face lit up and he said in an elated and relieved voice, "There are no records!" |
I am reminded of 'The Spandau Diaries' and painstaking records-keeping associated with National Socialist Germany - for historians a rich source of insight into the evil goings-on there.
Brian Mulroney and Ricky Warman both played loose with ardent German records-keepers. Fools.
Mr. Mulroney has been brought low, though he will always retain the respect due someone who came to lead Canada's government.
The universe is still unfolding for Ricky Warman. _________________ “There were not six million Jews murdered; there was one murder, six million times.” — Holocaust survivor Abel Herzberg
"Let all the babies be born. Then let us drown those we do not like." - Chesterton - |
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TomFooleryJoined: 18 Dec 2005 Total posts: 5871
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Posted: 02/ 22/ 08 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| Shame that Lemire never had Ezra's cunning to record the proceedings on video. THAT video would have won some Film Festival award somewhere. |
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CdnRepublican
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Posted: 02/ 22/ 08 8:53 am Post subject: |
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No surprise that he/it is a member of EGALE.
HRCs and queerness seem to glide together naturally. |
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Mark FournierMember
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Posted: 02/ 22/ 08 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| CdnRepublican wrote: | | HRCs and queerness seem to glide together naturally. |
There certainly seems to be an incestuous relationship between EGALE and the CHRC. _________________ "If it takes force to impose your ideas on your fellow man, there is something wrong with your ideas. If you are willing to use force to impose your ideas on your fellow man, there is something wrong with you." - Entropy Squared |
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Maikeru
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Posted: 02/ 22/ 08 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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And speaking of Guy, here's a rousing tale for Fishy Friday on FreeDominion.
Sex, intrigue and danger all driving a young well to do ne'er do well to do things he really ought not to have done...
Not all Lavender Lives are heroes
by Todd Richmond
Guy Burgess was arguably the most dangerous gay who ever lived. As a spy for the Soviet Union the Englishman helped organize a ring of gay men who came from the highest echelons of British society.
According to documents that have been declassified from both British Intelligence and the CIA, Burgess and his fellow spies helped prolong the Cold War for years, and possibly led to the deaths of nearly a dozen western agents.
The ring of gay included Anthony Blunt, tutor of French, art historian, art adviser to Queen Elizabeth, agent in MI5 during World War Two, "The Fourth Man"
Donald Maclean (1915-1983), Foreign Office secretary, Paris, Washington, Cairo, London
Harold Adrian Russell ("Kim") Philby (1912-1988), journalist, agent in MI6, "The Third Man"
John Cairncross, Foreign Office secretary, private secretary to Lord Hankey, Secretary for Security, sometimes referred to as "The Fifth Man"
On May 26, 1951, Burgess and MacLean defected to the Soviet Union, brining their espionage to light. It took the next twenty years for the others to be identified and the damage assessed.
But, who was Guy Burgess?
The Devonport-born Burgess had, from early youth, always wanted to join the Navy. His father had been an officer in the Royal Navy and the lore and legend of the sea became a family tradition. To that end, Burgess first attended Eton, then the naval college at Dartmouth. It was later claimed that he dropped out of Dartmouth because an eye problem disqualified him from Navy service but the real reason was that he had attempted to seduce some other youths, an affair that was hushed up.
Burgess graduated from Eton in 1930, going on to Cambridge. There, at Trinity College, he fell in with the left-wing set, the sons of well-to-do men who got drunk at posh clubs almost every night while toasting the lower classes and vowing that Communism was the only salvation for the oppressed of the earth.
In reality, none of these young men, ever had anything to do with the working class and their brand of Marxism was bottled in imported brandy. The group to which Burgess attached himself was also decidedly gay. His roommate and the fellow classmate who recruited him into the Soviet ranks was Anthony Blunt who became Burgess' lover.
Other on-and-off lovers included Donald Maclean and Kim Philby. All of them would lead well-pampered lives as they first played at being spies for the KGB which early on recruited them through Blunt.
Burgess was unorthodox in his approach, selecting the most handsome of young men and then attempting to sexually seduce them.
In 1934, Burgess, David Maclean, Kim Philby, and the others from Cambridge took a trip to Moscow, more for social than political reasons. The tourist jaunt did not agree with Burgess who found the Soviet city dreary and depressing. He remained drunk during most of his Russian stay. At one point, Moscow police found Burgess dead drunk in the Park of Rest and Culture. Inside of his coat pocket were letters of introduction to prominent Russian scholars and politicians from members of the Astor family.
On his return to Britain he joined the BBC. In one bizarre twist, as a reporter he interviewed for radio Philby who had returned from Spain where he was writing a book on the Spanish Civil War. He also interviewed Winston Churchill who gave him a autographed set of his speeches.
As war approached, Prime Minister Nevill Chamberlain, who had also been interviewed by Burgess, entrusted the BBC commentator with secret dispatches which he clandestinely delivered to French leader Edouard Daladier and Italian dictator Benito Mussolini. Chamberlain had hoped that these secret messages would help avert the war that Adolf Hitler so eagerly sought. They did not. But Burgess's act gained him a job as a British spy. British Intelligence had no idea he was already working for the Russians.
Arrogantly he hired fellow Soviet spy Philby to work with him in British Intelligence. All the while, throughout the way and after, they passed along vital British and American intelligence secrets to the Russians.
In 1949, the British began to suspect Blunt was a spy. In 1951 when Blunt was questioned by authorities, Burgess and McLean defected to the Soviets.
The pair used an escape route had already been worked out by a KGB spymaster who had been contacted by Anthony Blunt. The two men drove to Southampton. They arrived just in time to catch the 11:45 P.M. cross-Channel boat Falaise which was sailing to St. Malo, France.
Both men went to their cabin and locked themselves inside. They did not leave the cabin when the rest of the passengers disembarked in St. Malo to take the train to Paris, but stayed inside guzzling a case of beer they had ordered from the steward. Some time later both men staggered from the cabin and hired a taxi to drive them fifty miles to Rennes. There they caught a later train to Paris and from there, their KGB contacts arranged for them to fly first to Czechoslovakia, then on to Moscow where they were met by KGB agent F. V. Kislytsin who had been the man to whom they had for years delivered their secrets. Kislytsin had been stationed in the Soviet Embassy in London.
The Russians paraded their star agents before Western journalists in a 1956 press conference. Both Burgess and Maclean denied ever having spied and that they were merely "peace lovers" who had become disillusioned with the West.Both men worked at espionage in Russia. Maclean appeared to adapt but Burgess continued to drink heavily. His once chiseled handsome face became bloated. He took on weight and seemed to want to talk of his native country. He obviously missed all things British. Miserable at having to live inside a puritanical state, Burgess drank himself to death on August 30, 1963. In that year Kim Philby, also fled to the Soviet Union.
_________________ “There were not six million Jews murdered; there was one murder, six million times.” — Holocaust survivor Abel Herzberg
"Let all the babies be born. Then let us drown those we do not like." - Chesterton - |
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Posted: 02/ 23/ 08 10:43 am Post subject: |
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| Entropy Squared wrote: | | CdnRepublican wrote: | | HRCs and queerness seem to glide together naturally. |
There certainly seems to be an incestuous relationship between EGALE and the CHRC. |
and money is the lubricant _________________ Freedom really does not evolve, it revolts.
Today`s rebel is a conservative and fiscal responsibility has become the new counterculture! |
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Maikeru
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Posted: 02/ 23/ 08 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Todd Richmond wrote: | | Burgess graduated from Eton in 1930, going on to Cambridge. There, at Trinity College, he fell in with the left-wing set, the sons of well-to-do men who got drunk at posh clubs almost every night while toasting the lower classes and vowing that Communism was the only salvation for the oppressed of the earth. |
This paragraph is quite interesting.
In Burgess's day, only the scion of the wealthy could establish the automatic credibility that accrues to University educated folks.
Nowadays any bounder can become an 'expert thinker' and wreak havoc in the halls of power.
If hatred really does trigger murderous actions against a distinct group in our society, then Jews, Muslims and Gays are small beer.
What is it about students that makes them the target of so many Whitman's ?
 _________________ “There were not six million Jews murdered; there was one murder, six million times.” — Holocaust survivor Abel Herzberg
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Maikeru
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Posted: 02/ 26/ 08 12:55 am Post subject: |
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bump for lawyers... _________________ “There were not six million Jews murdered; there was one murder, six million times.” — Holocaust survivor Abel Herzberg
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JackIsBack
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Posted: 02/ 26/ 08 11:09 am Post subject: |
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There is another way to prove that it's Richard Warman's IP and that Rogers did not reassign it during the timeframe in question.
A smug Warman may be easily trapped here. _________________ http://www.projectalberta.com |
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