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 Posted: 02/ 18/ 08 2:34 pm Post subject: Jonathan Kay on Richard Warman and Canada's phony-racism ind |
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editor's note - The original article that appeared in this post was successfully censored by Richard Warman using copyright law. To preserve the historical record it has been replaced by transcribed excerpts from Richard Warman's statement of claim against the author of the original article and against Free Dominion.
| Quote: | (a) The headline of the article reads “Jonathan Kay on Richard Warman and Canada’s phony-racism industry.
(b) The words in the first paragraph “Canadians now know the precise moment when radical anti-racism became a more powerful sociological toxin than racism itself: 7:55pm EST on Sept. 5, 2003.”
(c) The second paragraph where the text of the Cools note is reproduced.
(d) The third paragraph where it is stated “Horrible, shocking stuff. But even more shocking is the identity of the fellow whose electronic fingerprints were all over the message: famed human-rights lawyer Richard Warman.”
(e) The fourth paragraph where it is stated “But during the proceedings surrounding one of Warman’s 2003-era complaints against freedomsite, the respondents turned the tables. A computer expert named Bernard Klatt did some digging under freedomsite’s back office, and determined that the Cools posting had been made from a computer bearing the IP address 66.185.84.204, the very same address from which Warman had admitted to visiting freedomsite using a different alias.”
(f) The fifth paragraph where it is stated “Other technical details—such as the operating system and Web browser being used—also provided an exact match to Warman. Based on this evidence, Klatt concluded in a recently publicized affidavit, “Richard Warman was the poster of the message headed ‘Cools don’t belong in our Senate.’ |
Richard Warman sued over this article because he (Warman) said it means that:
| Quote: | (a) Mr. Warman fabricates racist conduct;
(b) Mr. Warman authored the Cools Posting;
(c) Mr. Warman published the Cools Posting;
(d) Mr. Warman authored and published the Cools Posting;
(e) Bernard Klatt is a credible witness and his evidence is true;
(f) Mr. Warman fabricates allegations of racism to create bigots where there are none; and
(g) Mr. Warman creates hate speech. |
These excerpts are from a public document.
The original article can still be found here: http://www.richardwarman.com/covert_ops-90sAreOver.html |
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styky
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| Posted: 02/ 18/ 08 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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visit the link and leave a comment for Johnathan
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| Posted: 02/ 18/ 08 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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I am not convinced that RW does not believe what he wrote about Sen. Cools. Those words came to him very easily it seems
We have seen his Hate in action in the videos about David Icke; why would this case be any different?
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| Posted: 02/ 18/ 08 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Darski wrote: | I am not convinced that RW does not believe what he wrote about Sen. Cools. Those words came to him very easily it seems
We have seen his Hate in action in the videos about David Icke; why would this case be any different? |
The problem with making accusations is that they can come back and bite you. I hope he has plenty of bandaids because he may need them.
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Maikeru
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| Posted: 02/ 18/ 08 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: Jonathan Kay on Richard Warman and Canada's phony-racism |
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| Jonathan Kay wrote: | | As I’ve written before, this would not be so much a problem if their various speech codes were used merely to prosecute men such as David Ahenakew, Ernst Zundel, Jim Keegstra and the like. |
Huh?
Is Jonathan actually positing that 'various speech codes' in Canada are okay as long as they only accrue to Jew-baiters ?
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| Mark Fournier Member
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| Posted: 02/ 18/ 08 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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It's gone!
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| Posted: 02/ 18/ 08 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | What seems more likely is that – like other anti-racism activists – Warman simply found himself running out of Aryan Nation types to chase around the Internet. |
Exactly what I thought. When there isn't anymore money to be made from your cash cow, play dirty. Afterall, he thinks he's the smartest person on two legs and no one would ever dream that he could come up with such a scheme. 
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styky
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| Posted: 02/ 18/ 08 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Entropy Squared wrote: | | It's gone! |
That's odd 
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EdS
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| Posted: 02/ 18/ 08 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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Probably got a threat from Warman Kinsella.
Good thing we published it. I'm going to send it out to my email list.
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styky
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| Posted: 02/ 18/ 08 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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I did a seach on the title and this article related to it shows up.....
Bernie M. Farber and Len Rudner: The 'banalization' of hatred
Posted: February 18, 2008, 4:48 PM by Marni Soupcoff
Bernie M. Farber, Len Rudner
July 28, 2006 must have begun as a normal day for Pamela Waechter, but it ended horribly wrong. She died at the hands of a gunman at the Seattle Jewish Federation where she worked as a campaign director. Her crime, and that of five wounded co-workers, was being Jewish.
In 2004, Statistics Canada issued a report detailing hate crime activity in Canada based on information provided by 12 major police services. It noted that 928 incidents targeting specific groups took place in 2001-2002, including mischief, assault and threats. In Toronto, the number of such crimes between 1993 — when police began tracking hate/bias crimes — and 2006, neared 3,000.
Full story
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EdS
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| Posted: 02/ 18/ 08 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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Farber and Rudner are doing precisely what Jonathan Kay described - they are fetishzing hatred.
Like the typical timorous, fearmongering liberals they are, they presume hatred all around them. They are still living in the '70's and '80's, when the enemies of the Jews really were so-called neo-nazis and white nationists. Today, they ignore the real antisemites in society; the ones who burned down tyhe Jewish Day School in Montreal, and who continue to vilify Jews in our society.
The neo-nazis and White Nationalists are picayune in comnparison with our new crop of hatemongers.
Farber and Rudner are living in the past and fetishzing hate.
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| Posted: 02/ 19/ 08 9:56 am Post subject: |
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What isn't in the least banal about this piece is that Farber & Rudner have managed to avoid reference to the real threat posed by Islamofascism. Why the silence when B'nai Brith has been actively involved in attempts to censor a Pro-Palestinian internet site via the CHRC that it considers to be unduly critical of Israel, a site whose articles it claims have crossed the line of hate speech violations? Examples cited include :“The idea that Israel has no right to exist or that Israel is an apartheid state”. Newsflash guys, I can visit virtually any progressive/leftist blog and run into this stuff, heck it's a staple at Rabble.ca. Hell I think Judy Rebick may even have a tattoo like that, Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
This is pure speculation on my part but I am given to wonder if the whole Basement Neo-Nazi Hunt was simply a means to an end. Was the goal to test the elasticity and sticking power of Section 13 (1), to set precedents that could then be applied against other enemies? The Neo-Nazi's are virtual pariahs and hence a fine target, who wants to be seen coming to their aid? Right Warren?
Why do Farber & Rudner cite the tragic death of Pamela Waechter, but fail to mention that she died at the hands of anti-Israel shooter Naveed Haq, who it should be rightly noted may have been suffering from mental illness? Failure to mention that Haq is Muslim and a Fanatic can't have been a charitable omission on the part of Farber & Rudner, otherwise why cite this example at all? Why the politically correct chill? The failure to discuss the threat of Islamofascism openly destroys the credibility of their defense. A whole raft of hate crimes statistics are also trotted out, without analysis, proving once again - nothing.
Finally Farber & Rudners defense of the Warmanization of hatred, hits a near hysterical pitch with the recital of the now familiar trope that opponents of Section 13(1) want to eviscerate the Canadian Human Rights Act. No not really guys. We just want to make sure that Section 13(1) is eviscerated, so the unscrupulous members of society won't use it against you and the rest of us.
http://blazingcatfur.blogspot.com/2008/02/bernie-m-farber-and-len-rudner.html
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| Posted: 02/ 19/ 08 11:52 am Post subject: |
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National Post just published Farber & Rudner's poltroonish drivel on their Editorial page today. Time to write letters.
Letter just sent.
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| Posted: 02/ 19/ 08 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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I'd like to know definitively what happened to Jonathan Kay's article.
Last edited by TomFoolery on 02/ 19/ 08 1:24 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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| Posted: 02/ 19/ 08 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| EdS wrote: | National Post just published Farber & Rudner's poltroonish drivel on their Editorial page today. Time to write letters.
Letter just sent. |
My submission:
Section 13 (1) of the Canadian Human Rights Act prohibits . . . . "any matter that is likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt" . . .
The notion that a person can be held guilty of potentially hurting some unnamed person's feelings sometime in future is nauseous.
Moreover, the purpose of the Canadian Human Rights Act is to extend the laws in Canada to give effect, within the purview of matters coming within the legislative authority of Parliament, to the principle that all individuals should have an opportunity equal with other individuals to make for themselves the lives that they are able and wish to have and to have their needs accommodated, consistent with their duties and obligations as members of society.
There is no provision in the purpose of the Act to protect groups, sorts, or communities of people, but to protect the equality of opportunity for individuals.
We have Criminal Code provisions to deal with acts of hatred that endanger life and limb such as incitement to genocide, and further Criminal Code provisions to extend punishment for other crimes if it can be shown that those crimes were motivated by hatred.
The tiny and sorry minority who spout demeaning and degrading commentary respecting others need and deserve to hear the disapproving roar of millions of Canadians.
Silencing individuals who spout repulsive vindictive is dangerous, particularly when done through an arm of government. What Farber and Rudner propose is no better than the totalitarian censorship that led to two world wars; the only difference being that they are now the censors.
Irrespective of who acts as a censor in peacetime, our freedom of expression is extinguished and the stage set for silencing whatever critics Farber, Rudner and their ilk (or their successors) choose. These unelected busybodies need to be put in their proper place without delay.
My comments appear Here
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